posted December 09, 2013 02:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, that is what I thought so, too.
The first meeting will remain no matter what else comes up.

But this re-meeting was significant, too, it might modify the first a little. I don`t know. I am going to post both.

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posted December 09, 2013 02:23 PM            

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Originally posted by DialecticLady:
what do you want to know?

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oh never mind. I finally figured out how to do it this is fascinating

is this a good chart? the time is not accurate by minutes but it should be around 6 or 7pm

posted December 09, 2013 02:28 PM            

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posted December 10, 2013 01:36 AM            

I can't believe I lost my previous post, I had already wrote a lot of things, but whatever, I will try to sum up. I'm not good with composites but I'm interested and would like to ask some questions:

-If your case can be seen like some kind of progression then first thing to do is check what changed, isn't?

-I noticed that in the first chart the moon was in the 1th house while in the second one it is in 12th. I think it's a big change about how emotions works in the relationship. Do you think something changed in this matter? I once read the moon in the composite is the woman too, so do you changed your behaviour?

posted December 10, 2013 06:33 AM            

"I noticed that in the first chart the moon was in the 1th house while in the second one it is in 12th."
Yes, but interestingly it doesn`t really make much sense. You would think that in the first meeting emotions were on display and are hidden in the second one. But actually it is the opposite!

I once read the moon in the composite is the woman too, so do you changed your behaviour?"
I do not subscribe to this theory (after all the Moon is about the combined emotions, and it not only the woman who expresses emotions), but if we read it like a horary, as some people do Moon is my co-significator anyway.

In this instance, yes my behaviour changed. At the drop of a hat.
Since we first met I have changed drastically.
Actually in the mean time I was acting silly, childishly and plainly weird around him.
He is an actor I met and talked to for some time that first night, and he left a big impression on me (mostly for the fact that he denied to treat me like I considered myself to be; an asexual mind on legs who clearly had taken herself out of any kind of romantic context - he didn`t seem to be aware of that though. which shook me quite out of my intellectual comfort zone).

Anyway I decided to stay away from anything he was being in, as he was just "too much" and reminded me too much that maybe, just maybe, my self-perception wasn`t quite right, or at least not beyond redemption.
I couldnīt ahve that, right?

Nevertheless I thought it to be safe appearing again 2 years later, but never really acknowledging this first meeting even had happened.

BTW there is a third second meeting, cause he approached me during a show, teasing me quite a bit, and still I refused to believe he would remember me. Maybe he didnīt.

But from then on it got really weird, as now we mutually would not acknowledge each other`s existence while pretty much standing in such a proximity repeatedly that our shoulders brushed each other or whatever.

I suppose it is my drat Neptune squaring his Mars-Jupiter-conjunction, describing that.

and I figured it was my fault and me acting all weird and insecure, because while I clearly remember him (this man had such a tremendous effect on me, how could I not?), I am also aware that he must meet many people, and well, I convinced myself it is pretty much a coincidence he usually ends up standing right beside me or staring at me during his shows and the intervals. lol

But anyway that saturday 2 weeks ago, I jsut simply had enough of this stupid gameplaying that I did and that is not really like me.
so I simply walked over to him, congratulated him on the performance, exchanged a few insignificant words with him, and left.

it was important for me to do so, so I could get out that "I know you but I donīt acknowledge I do" corner I had manoevered myself in.
Like usually he reacted as if he had just been waiting for me to speak up. lol
I guess he is just that kind of person.

Anyway, my behaviour changed but if anything I was feeling more like a Leo-Moon, alright, but not 12th house like.

I also changed in these 5 years such a lot, not only because I lost about 35 kilos (still several more to lose though ), but I am more confident than I ever have been before, and probably a lot more outgoing than I had been for several years. (still more on the quiet side though. ).
I also deal better now with him seeing me, cause for some reason he always does (which made it even more weird ignoring him / not speak to him, while being on his shows. lol)

I suppose it is still a weird story.lol

EDIT:
BTW in that first meeting chart that Moon-Pluto-conjunction was conjunct his Moon and MC and Sun as well.

Also in the first meeting chart Juno was conjunct HIS Moon (and his Sun, MC and my Sun. lol - right on composite Sun).

in the second chart I posted Juno was conjunct MY Moon.

I also noticed that the Sun-Positions are opposite in both charts, as are the Jupiter-Positions.

the Jupiter is important in so far as I have Vertex on 21 Cancer and Sun/Moon-mp on 21 Capricorn, and our comnposite Moon is on 22 Capricorn (conjunct his natal Venus on 25 Cap).

posted December 10, 2013 06:37 AM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
Sorry mine expired.

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posted December 10, 2013 01:00 PM            

my composite with the first meeting chart (my experience of that meeting)

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his experience of that meeting/ moment

posted December 10, 2013 01:22 PM            

Here is mine

this is his - birth time unknown

posted December 10, 2013 01:27 PM            

Well the ASC is the theme, which was 8 SAg (near my own ASC, as the first meeting chart`s ASC was conjunct my aSC and EXACTLY conjunct my Neptune and NN - no surprise there, it had tremendous effect on my path).

8 Sagittarius has an interesting Sabian, too:
"A Mother Leads Her Small Child Step By Step Up A Steep Stairway"

So my immediate experience was a supportive one, one of learning, developing and growing.

The chartruler Jupiter is in Aquarius (right on my unaspected natal Moon btw!) in 2nd house - right there we notice that there is a bit of an emphasis on the 2nd house, not only with the chartruler being there, but with the Node-Neptune conjunction (same as in my natal. lol) Moon, Black Moon Lilith, and for asteroid friends, Juno plus a zany Aquarius Amor-Valentine-conjunction there.

The 2nd house is very much about selfworth, about how you see yourself, how you put yourself out there and becoming more conscious about your appearance (with the ASC it is more an instinctive instant thing, but sometimes not very conscious).
So there is the issue or matter of Self-value and Self-perception arising.

Here in this instance we see the NODE, MOON and BLACK MOON being there - all lunar symbols!
It echoes the fact that in my natal my unaspected Aquarius-Moon is where? in 2nd house, naturally.

In a way, what that meeting did, was pushing me with my nose right onto this 2nd house Moon of mine (btw Psyche, Pallas and mean Lilith are all in my 2nd house, too, in natal); the emotional value I put on myself (or lack thereof for that matter). And also lunar symbols are feminine symbols of course, and mirror back the perception as a woman.

All of this was being triggered there, and with the square to 11th and 12th house ruler Pluto, in his own sign Scorpio, in 11th house - subconsious content arose quite disturbingly, and being in square to the chartruler, it had a tremendous effect. Such a wake-up-call that it was a shock, which shocked me out of my comfort zone.
Where did that happen now?
In 11th house. Forget friends and hopes and all that stuff.
The 11th house is also the house of "love received" or rather, how we are being shown appreciation or feeling valued by others (as it is the polar opposite to the 5th house, where you feel infaturaton or similiar things for others, in the 11th house you are more on the receiving end).

In this case, here it was how I felt "received" in that moment, that was kinda shaking up my more intellectual detached philosophical self-perception (Jupiter in Aquarius in 2nd house) - problem is I really AM that intellectual, detached, analytical with a Moon in Aquarius in 2nd house natally, but what I forgot and had to be reminded of again, was that i am not ONLY that; I am also Venus-square-Pluto Not that that would be easier. lol).

The interesting thing is that this 19 degree Scorpio Pluto is RIGHT on my natal asteroid ANTEROS, and also on the same degree as his VALENTINE. (Anteros fits the 11th house theme right, as he has to do with the reciprocration of affection).

Also the Sabian is a most juicy one imo:
"A Woman Draws Away Two Dark Curtains Closing The Entrance To A Sacred Pathway"

(I am always reminded of the way a former knowflake interpreted this one; I had never sen it like that before, but after that chat I am not able to NOT think about her interpretation when seeing that Sabian. ).

But anyway Pluto is part of a minor talent triangle.

Pluto trines the Sun-Venus-conjunction in Pisces in 3rd house, and both sextile the NN-Neptune-conjunction in 2nd house.

Well, an aspect between venus and Pluto is always interesting, as they rule polar houses (in this instance 11th and 12th vs 5th and 6th - so having a lot to do with subconscious stuff coming up, and the adaptiona to everyday life, as well as the expression and the reception of appreciation/ love, a spark).

The Sun-Venus-conjunction in Pisces in 3rd house, is of course indicative of a magical dreamy, not quite real feeling there.
Attraction for sure on my part. In 3rd house - well it was a chat, so yes, communication played a role.

The trine to Pluto made the experience pleasantly intense, but not in a way that it got too obsessive or driven.

Anyway, the most important planet here, I suppose, is the Neptune.
Not only is Neptune on the midpoint of the Pluto-Venus-trine, but it is also the dispositor of Sun and Venus, showing how these will experess and where, and additionally it is conjunct the NN.

A feeling of purpose riht there, though not in a very clearly spoken way (Neptune as ruler in the 3rd house can be very sharpsighted when it comes to nonverbal clues, but totally clueless when it comes to the spoken word. lol).

The sabian of Neptune does not speak to me at all, but the NN Sabian does.

Interestingly it is my Saturn-release point (IQ coined the term, and it is the point directly opposite natal Saturn), and the exact degree of our composite Venus - now if that is not interesting.

"A Repressed Woman Finds A Psychological Release In Nudism"

LOL

posted December 10, 2013 01:32 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
Hm... I see. I am not sure how mutual it is. He was attracted to me instantly. I took a while to be attracted to him, but once I did (by a while I mean 2 days haha), the emotion was intense.

Here is mine

this is his - birth time unknown

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Makes me think of how you have Saturn trine Moon - which might make for a little bit slower gradual development (though with an Aries Moon? ).

And I see how he has Uranus conjunct NN, something very unusual exciting and sudden arising there.
He also has Venus conjunct Neptune there - I definitely can see how that could be indicative of a soulmate-feeling.
You have Neptune conjunct Sun which is also very soulful (and both sets are in Aquarius).

posted December 10, 2013 03:06 PM            

Interestingly in my composite it is on 8 Gemini
(quiver filled with arrows), and Mercury is on 23 Pisces, which is the exact degree of his natal ASC!

From his perspective DESC is on 2 Leo
"A Middle-Aged Woman, Her Long Hair Flowing Over Her Shoulders And In A Braless Youthful Garment"
Well, I am five years older than him. lol

And Sun is on 14 Pisces, conjunct my natal chartruler by 3 degrees, and being on the midpoint between my Jupiter and Juno. Intersting.

I also was having another look at my composite with the event, and it is quite noteable how all personal planets are in 1st quadrant, beyond the horizon, the exception being a very prominent Mars.

Well, it seems like this experience was very much about me, about my SElf, quite internalized.

posted December 10, 2013 03:34 PM            

I think in my case, for me it was very 7th house. Can't tell his houses since his birth time is still unknown but he has Mars conjunct Juno

In your case, you are very 2nd and 3rd - which are security and communication. He has venus in 2nd but other planets are in 7th. Oh, and that North Node conjunct Pluto must feel intense.

So maybe for us who are more 7th, we are actually viewing the partner as marriage-material?

posted December 10, 2013 03:55 PM            

Interestingly his composite there seems to be more intense than mine. Though with Sun opposed to Mercury and Saturn on the cusp of 8th house, there was an inbuilt brake right there.
And Sun is the ruler of the DESC, so could very well signify whoever he encountered, well me; in this instance he must have experienced me like that.
Sort of Pisces-like but with a rather dry intellectualism (Mercury and Saturn in Virgo), also probably inhibited, Saturn opposite Sun. Which makes sense, I clearly was. lol

It also seems like something came up from the subconscious realms, with Saturn being ruler of 12th house. Actually it is an echo to his natal, where he has Saturn as traditional rulr of 12th house right on his DESC.

The fact that Jupiter is releasing the tension of that opposition by being trine to Sun and sextile to Mercury and Saturn, is interesting. Well Jupiter rules 11th house, of received love, and sits on the MC. He probably felt supported in his public persona/ social standing, which is a fitting description.

Interestingly his ASC aligns with our composite ASC by one degree, and his MC-Jupiter falls onto our composite MC.

" Oh, and that North Node conjunct Pluto must feel intense."
I suppose so.

Well, interestingly when I re-met him two weeks ago now it was me having the Pluto-Node-conjunction, ust for me it happened on 24 and 23 SCorpio and in 2nd house - I can`t seem to get rid of the 2nd house emphasis there. But then again as rarely we talked, he has a way to make me feel valued and appreciated, which seems odd. Shouldn`t it be the other way round? lol

"So maybe for us who are more 7th, we are actually viewing the partner as marriage-material?"
Hmm, not so sure that can be seen from that chart. AFter all it is the experience of a meeting. Marriage material I would rather expect to see in the synastry, composite, but who knows`? Maybe.

Well, if that is true, then he might have seen me as marriage material, while I was too busy evaluating myself as a person to even notice.

posted December 11, 2013 02:54 AM            

What you said about your outgoing way could be noticed perhaps by venus and pluto in 5th house or mars in 1th, like "someone took the initiative to make something" lol