posted December 11, 2013 05:54 PM            

What potentials in a synastry chart could indicate potentials for violence and murder, and what transits occurring in one of the persons chart indicate when it could happen? Obviously natal charts also have to be considered and it can get quite complex.

I found an interesting post on what transits some women were going through when violence occurred. http://theastrologyplace.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/astrology-stalking-and-pluto-effect_22.html

posted December 12, 2013 11:43 AM            

Mars/Saturn, Mars/Pluto, Mars/Uranus and sometimes Mars/Neptune.

posted December 12, 2013 09:16 PM              

Astrological Violence Indicators in the Natal and Synastric Chart

Mars square Pluto is one form of this aspect. A Pluto opposition Mars is another challenging aspect, as is (according to some astrologers) a conjunct Pluto and Mars, or Pluto and Mars in the 8th or 12th Houses. Even Saturn in a stressful (square, quincunx or opposition) aspect to either Mars or Pluto can create conditions which encourage violence in the personal natal chart.

And those are just natal aspects (aspects in our personal birth chart, versus synastric aspects we make with other individuals). As for the 12th House, although it has a reputation for ‘hiding’ things, that’s not really what it does. It’s more of a repressive action; which in many cases is a good thing. Yet, for those individuals with Mars in the 12th, don’t think they never get angry. That is far from the case. Generally what happens is that they will repress the anger until one day something major ignites the fuse and you’d better hope that you’re not in the way, because whether or not you’re the cause of that anger, you’re going to get it.

What about relationships? Whereas, Mars square or opposition Pluto is a major indicator of violence, these aspects are by no means the only violence indicators.

The combination of Saturn – which creates restriction – and Pluto are a volatile duo, as well. The restrictive action of Saturn causes Pluto to explode, and if Mars is anywhere in the picture, violence is pretty much guaranteed. What form that will take, however, is up to the individuals involved. Both Pluto and Mars square and opposite Neptune can create some pretty interesting fireworks, too, as well as illusions and delusions of grandeur about one’s abilities or role in a relationship.

Personal Aspects Table

Personal aspects for which to look in an individual’s natal chart which would indicate a tendency* towards violent behavior are:

Planets

Aspects

Connection Descriptor

Mars/Sun

Conjunct, Square, Opposition

Warrior Aspect

(Aggressive and fiery nature, especially if in a fire sign)

Mars/Pluto

Conjunct, Square, Opposition

Superman/Superwoman

(Believes him/herself invincible; generally extremely pushy and aggressive, attempting to get their own way)

Jupiter/Saturn

Square, Quincunx, Opposition

Fallen Angel

(Nice girl/boy gone bad)

Saturn/Pluto

Square, Quincunx, Opposition

Master of the Universe

(Believes she/he knows and is the best at everything, and if restricted, can become extremely volatile)

*NOTE: Merely because the tendency is there, however, does not necessarily mean that the individual will act on it. The placement and aspects of other planets in the natal chart can greatly mitigate the challenging planetary placements in question. To determine whether the possibility exists that the native might act on these tendencies, other planetary placements between the Moon, Venus, Jupiter, Neptune and the Sun should be taken into consideration, as well.

Synastric Aspects Table
(between two natal charts)

Planets

Aspects

Connection Descriptor

Mars/Sun

Conjunct, Square, Opposition

Power Struggle

(Prone to vie for control at the expense of peace)

Mars/Neptune

Square, Opposition

Battlefield

(Constant arguments and fighting, usually on a physical level)

Mars/Pluto

Square, Opposition

Violence Indicator

(Extremely violent connection; can be fatal if located in the 8th House in a composite chart between two individuals)

Mars/Saturn

Square, Quincunx, Opposition

Classic Schism

(Creates division mentally and emotionally; the inherent restriction can cause anger, either verbal, physical, or both)

Sun/Neptune

Square, Opposition

Classic Schism

(Creates division mentally and emotionally; The Sun creates a lesser degree of aggression than Mars, while Neptune creates a distortion of reality which often causes aggression)

Sun/Pluto

Square, Opposition

Fatal Attraction

(Named after the movie of the same name, creates a situation where one or both individuals stalk the other, attempting to force unwanted advances on the other and which often result in physically aggressive behavior)

Saturn/Pluto

Square, Quincunx, Opposition

Violence Indicator

(Extremely violent connection; the restriction of Saturn creates an added element of frustration and anger and can also be fatal if located in the 8th House in a composite

posted December 12, 2013 09:35 PM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I second the violent midpoints.

Oddly enough, I've read that someone's SATURN in your 8H can make them 'responsible' for your death. WTF that means.

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posted December 12, 2013 09:59 PM            

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Originally posted by FireMoon:
Interesting, I could sort of actually see it lol... The two times I've had someone's saturn in my 8th it's either been verrry sexy or verrry dark/manipulative in general. Like they either want to bring out your inner sex fiend (but it'll still be on their terms) or expose your deepest secrets and fears. Or both. Either way lots of power plays. I'd say saturn usually has the upper hand by appearing all self contained, and really knows how to get a reaction from the 8th house person, so the craziness could go both ways lol

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That actually makes total sense. He's the first man to ever be my dom. I was never even remotely interested, and would flat out become aggressive - damned near violent - with those horribly rude men who were 'sure I just needed a good x, y, and z.' Ohhh, did they regret their prior actions.

With him, though, I felt as if I'd gone insane. I was the one in control! I was the one in charge! I was the one playing the take-it-or-leave-it game! Oh, God, was it an eye-opener to be on the other side of that looking-glass. Heh. He has one tic, however. Just one that's a total tell. Now that he confirmed it, he also confirmed the cause of it (nervous energy) was absolutely his using every ounce of his willpower to keep himself restrained, contained, and putting on his usual poker face.

Yeah. THAT felt good. I'll admit.

MARS conjunct PLUTO.
MARS conjunct SUN.
PLUTO conjunct VENUS / VENUS sextile PLUTO.
VENUS square URANUS.

His MARS in my 2H.
His MOON-EROS in my 8H (with SATURN-ATROPOS).
My NYMPHE in his 8H (square his NYMPHE. Heh).

VENUS contraparallel MARS.
PSYCHE parallel EROS conjunct PSYCHE.
LUST-MARS conjunct ASC.
EROS quindecile EROS.

I've read that MARS in 2H synastry can also have the same dominant flavour in terms of sexuality.

Oh!

And this one's pretty fascinating:

His BML on my PRIAPUS. Exact. His BML is conjunct his MOON, opposite his LILITH, conjunct his MARS, and my SUN-PLUTO-BML.

posted June 01, 2016 08:13 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I second the violent midpoints.

Oddly enough, I've read that someone's SATURN in your 8H can make them 'responsible' for your death. WTF that means.

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posted June 01, 2016 08:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusian Moon:
WHEN PLANETS COLLIDE

Astrological Violence Indicators in the Natal and Synastric Chart

Mars square Pluto is one form of this aspect. A Pluto opposition Mars is another challenging aspect, as is (according to some astrologers) a conjunct Pluto and Mars, or Pluto and Mars in the 8th or 12th Houses. Even Saturn in a stressful (square, quincunx or opposition) aspect to either Mars or Pluto can create conditions which encourage violence in the personal natal chart.

And those are just natal aspects (aspects in our personal birth chart, versus synastric aspects we make with other individuals). As for the 12th House, although it has a reputation for ‘hiding’ things, that’s not really what it does. It’s more of a repressive action; which in many cases is a good thing. Yet, for those individuals with Mars in the 12th, don’t think they never get angry. That is far from the case. Generally what happens is that they will repress the anger until one day something major ignites the fuse and you’d better hope that you’re not in the way, because whether or not you’re the cause of that anger, you’re going to get it.

What about relationships? Whereas, Mars square or opposition Pluto is a major indicator of violence, these aspects are by no means the only violence indicators.

The combination of Saturn – which creates restriction – and Pluto are a volatile duo, as well. The restrictive action of Saturn causes Pluto to explode, and if Mars is anywhere in the picture, violence is pretty much guaranteed. What form that will take, however, is up to the individuals involved. Both Pluto and Mars square and opposite Neptune can create some pretty interesting fireworks, too, as well as illusions and delusions of grandeur about one’s abilities or role in a relationship.

Personal Aspects Table

Personal aspects for which to look in an individual’s natal chart which would indicate a tendency* towards violent behavior are:

Planets

Aspects

Connection Descriptor

Mars/Sun

Conjunct, Square, Opposition

Warrior Aspect

(Aggressive and fiery nature, especially if in a fire sign)

Mars/Pluto

Conjunct, Square, Opposition

Superman/Superwoman

(Believes him/herself invincible; generally extremely pushy and aggressive, attempting to get their own way)

Jupiter/Saturn

Square, Quincunx, Opposition

Fallen Angel

(Nice girl/boy gone bad)

Saturn/Pluto

Square, Quincunx, Opposition

Master of the Universe

(Believes she/he knows and is the best at everything, and if restricted, can become extremely volatile)

*NOTE: Merely because the tendency is there, however, does not necessarily mean that the individual will act on it. The placement and aspects of other planets in the natal chart can greatly mitigate the challenging planetary placements in question. To determine whether the possibility exists that the native might act on these tendencies, other planetary placements between the Moon, Venus, Jupiter, Neptune and the Sun should be taken into consideration, as well.

Synastric Aspects Table
(between two natal charts)

Planets

Aspects

Connection Descriptor

Mars/Sun

Conjunct, Square, Opposition

Power Struggle

(Prone to vie for control at the expense of peace)

Mars/Neptune

Square, Opposition

Battlefield

(Constant arguments and fighting, usually on a physical level)

Mars/Pluto

Square, Opposition

Violence Indicator

(Extremely violent connection; can be fatal if located in the 8th House in a composite chart between two individuals)

Mars/Saturn

Square, Quincunx, Opposition

Classic Schism

(Creates division mentally and emotionally; the inherent restriction can cause anger, either verbal, physical, or both)

Sun/Neptune

Square, Opposition

Classic Schism

(Creates division mentally and emotionally; The Sun creates a lesser degree of aggression than Mars, while Neptune creates a distortion of reality which often causes aggression)

Sun/Pluto

Square, Opposition

Fatal Attraction

(Named after the movie of the same name, creates a situation where one or both individuals stalk the other, attempting to force unwanted advances on the other and which often result in physically aggressive behavior)

Saturn/Pluto

Square, Quincunx, Opposition

Violence Indicator

(Extremely violent connection; the restriction of Saturn creates an added element of frustration and anger and can also be fatal if located in the 8th House in a composite

http://www.starwolfastrology.com/Relationships/PlanetsCollide.html

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