posted March 25, 2014 10:20 AM            

And it's not Pluto on IC...this guy had a really messed up house system, his AC was cap and IC was taurus
My Pluto is libra@11
My cap Eros/Valentine/lust@10-13
His AC cap@13

His 1st house cap Eros@19 squared my 1st house libra Venus@19

posted March 25, 2014 11:00 AM            

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I'm wondering if an Aries or Scorpio would be more (or less?) accepting of a Pluto square ASC than other signs. Opinions?

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posted March 25, 2014 08:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Considering it's an axis, his Pluto would then square both my Asc & Desc.

Pluto it will be conjunct my Asc/Desc midpoint as well.

Kinda makes the whole picture more clear if I look at it that way.
His Pluto on the midpoint of my axis of self/relationships makes sooo much sense.
He's definitely triggered a lot of change and purging to take place in those areas.

"I'm wondering if an Aries or Scorpio would be more (or less?) accepting of a Pluto square ASC than other signs. Opinions?"

I wonder this too.
Me and him are both Virgos, me being a heavy water and him a heavy earth, so here it can get quite uncomfortable and scary at times lol.
But I do admit I secretly like it
This aspects being in depth, intensity, those all-consuming feelings and experiences that leave me completely breathless... (Though of course there may be other aspects responsible for that as well)
But the pain that comes with it is HORRID.

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I realized that not only is there MC-IC 3 degrees square the ASC one way, there is also a 5 degree square between ASC and MC-IC the other way here. Normally a little wide, but given that it's a mutual aspect it seems more valid. Vertexes are three degrees trine, so not exact aspects by any means but interesting on the whole.

As for depth, I'd forgotten how Pluto feels in effect and just today got hit by another facet of it when kinkier thoughts surfaced. Funny, but there's Moon in 8th house and Pluto in 4th house exactly trining the Descendant so it's good to have a reminder of what I actually kind of like in action. A Leo with Pluto trine DC and DC's antiscion degree in Scorpio, I still didn't remember what big motors Pluto runs when activated. It's nothing that'll go anywhere given other circumstances, but it's energy reminders and another chance to learn something astrologically.

posted March 25, 2014 09:01 PM            

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Originally posted by EmpressMendez:
It depends on their birth chart and how Pluto (Scorpio, 8th house, etc) plays a role on their chart. I think looking at both charts individually at first helps connect the dots accurately (instead of guessing who feels more, etc..should start by looking at their birth charts to see which is used to Plutonian energy)

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Of course it depends on the natals, but since everyone has something to do with the Sun, that square the ASC would mostly likely feel a certain way. The variance possibly comes from whether it's a woman or a man's Sun squaring the ASC, given what they say about Sun-Moon with men and women. What I'm interested in is how someone who DOES have Pluto at work in their own chart and IS responsive to it will feel Pluto square ASC-DC in contrast to something like Sun square that? The age old question, which does "more" or on what levels, the Sun or Pluto.

In my example case both people should be more or less susceptible to Pluto. For example, there is Moon in 8th in one chart, Pluto in 4th trining the Descendant (influence on partners/the other), NN in Scorpio. The ASC-DC person has their own Pluto trining their own Ascendant from their 8th house, so to me that speaks of Pluto influence likewise. They also have their Pluto ~3 opposite DC-ruler Moon so Pluto-Moon and the ASC-angle are at play in both charts.

A's Pluto square B's ASC-DC
A's DC inconjunct B's Pluto

There is angular contact both ways, but the square exists only one way.

B is an Aries. Their Mars is 8 degrees opposite their Pluto.

posted March 26, 2014 06:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:

my Moon widely trine his Pluto 4°
my Mars trine his Pluto 3°
my NN widely conjunct his Pluto 4°

my Proserpina trine his Pluto 2°

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I find it interesting that in my example Persephone and Proserpina instantly also do big stuff or show up more than with any other recent synastries checked OR with the person I've called B in above comments; B and other people in turn. It's funny how much it's all Pluto when it's Pluto.

Aspects exact/under a degree as always unless mentioned otherwise.

A's Pluto opp B's Persephone
A's Pluto trine B's Proserpina on A's DC
A's Pluto trine B's 504 Cora

Cora used for Kore, although she was the young girl before his abduction more so. Enough to attract him I guess, so useable from that angle. Note that it's A whose Pluto squares the ASC-DC angle while also grabbing in all the suitable partner-asteroids from B's chart. Pluto-Cora-Proserpina form a Grand Trine.

B has his hypothetical h57 Proserpina at 22 Libra so the antiscia is ~7 Pisces, around a degree opposite their own Pluto.
Their draconic h57 Proserpina would be 2 trine A's Pluto (from the Cora-side).
B has 7H Orcus 3 degrees from their DC.

A's Cora conj B's DC
A's Cora 2,5 conj B's Orcus
A's Cora 2 sext B's Pluto
A's Persephone 2 deg square B's ASC-DC

A's draconic Persephone conjuncts A's own DC (trine Pluto) and is inconjunt B's Pluto.
A's drac Proserpina is sextile B's draconic Pluto.
A's Proserpina 1,5 conj B's SN

A has Orcus trine own NN and hypothetical object Hades conj their SN.

To clarify, A has Persephone 4 degrees from their Pluto, both squaring B's ASC-DC. A's Pluto square their own Cora on B's DC.

posted September 25, 2014 08:21 PM            

Its been some time since I made this thread and a lot has happened.
I've had to go through quite a bit because of him. There was a good amount of pain involved, as my inner fears and insecurities were brought to the surface, but on the positive side a lot of healing and expansion that took place as well.

All of your experiences with Pluto/Asc made sense for me. There was a lot I could relate to. With Virgo guy, I have my Ascendant exactly square his Pluto and yes, at times I do feel "trapped", "caught in a web", helpless, stuck, wanting to run away, wishing my knowing of him never happened etc – all for just very silly reasons actually lol.

I find he makes me face a lot of my inner insecurities and work past them. But through knowing him I have learned to slowly become more mature emotionally, mentally, and spiritually over time. Like I now know that I am the one in power and he can't break me or effect me negatively if I don't let him. I've learned to embrace my independence of my being my own person.
Of course, my love for him will always be there. It has not diminished the slightest, but gotten rather stronger and more deeper. I guess you could say its more of a "healthy" love now than a naive, obsessive, immature one. He really did make me do a lot of inner work on myself.
I also found that the more I resisted the connection, the more in pain I felt.
But if I embraced it and accepted it for what it is, it actually felt very healing, soothing and enlightening.
Overall though, as bizarre and crazy as it is, it has been the best thing that has ever happened to me.
I just had to get past my silly doubts and insecurities thats all. I would probably never have if it weren't for knowing him.

Along with his Pluto square my Asc/Desc axis, we have other Pluto aspects as well:

my Moon trine his Pluto 4°
my Mars trine his Pluto 3°
my Jupiter conjunct his Pluto 3°
my Saturn trine his Pluto 3°
my NN conjunct his Pluto 4°
my Proserpina trine his Pluto 2°

my Pluto square his NN 0°
my Pluto contra-parallel his Mars 0°
my Pluto parallel his Venus 0°