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Topic: 165th degree, the aspect that is possibly the hardest aspect to have in a chart!
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Gabby
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posted December 19, 2013 08:44 PM
  
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Originally posted by summerlite:
ASC QD Chiron.
I don't even understand the meaning.
i dont have time to go into deeply right now but ill post these from early postings...what is the signs and houses, ill look at it deeper tomorrow!
Your Chiron wound affects the way your seen or appear to others, either they see your pain or you put on a false front or maybe your seen as strong because youve worked through much and are helping others....the way you seen would be an evolutions so perhaps at times youve been all the above?
ASCENDANT-165- CHIRON
The ascendant, whatever sign it may be, is emphasized. The person projects the qualities of the rising sign more strongly than is usual, and always seems to make an impression on anybody they meet.
Quindecile to Ascendant: suggests obsessive and even disruptive focus on relationship and self image in terms of the planet aspecting it. IP: Logged |
summerlite
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posted December 19, 2013 09:39 PM
The Quindecile, or The Fatal in the Natal, The Obsession in Progression, The Bandit in the Transit, and The Need to Be in Synastry, is an Aspect of 165 degrees and is obsessive, suggests a burning point of focus, often a place of extreme concern and effort in the life, even to the point of upheaval, disruption, and obsessive mania.When these dynamics are not consciously focused, chaos and disruption can reign. The quindecile falling at the midpoint between a quincunx and an opposition indicates a need for both adjustment and awareness in order to effectively synthesize planetary energies and utilize this dynamic to our benefit. Planets’ quindecile angles are shown through the physical presentation, social outreach, relationships, societal position, or professional endeavors. Planets quindecile Sun or Moon are an integral part of the personality. It is difficult for the individual to see the extent to which the drive of the aspecting planet is influencing their life. Personal planets quindecile personal planets manifest through the dynamics of the planets involved. For instance, Mars quindecile Mercury (i.e. Jack Nicholson) creates a need to take action on ideas and information, whereas Mars quindecile Venus (i.e. Betty Ford) creates a need to take action on aesthetics or kinship. Societal planets (Jupiter and Saturn) indicate trends of the times, and generational planets (Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto) indicate movements of consciousness. When a societal or generational planet is quindecile a personal planet a person has the potential to be a leader in setting the current trends, or perhaps to “get caught up” in them (i.e. Mohandas Gandhi—Jupiter quindecile Mercury, Karl Marx—Uranus quindecile Mercury). The outer planets reflect movements, events, and issues on societal, national, and global levels which impact our consciousness. Alignments of Uranus and Neptune reference disruption of the status quo (Uranus) within a seeking of the ideal (Neptune); Uranus and Pluto reference disruption of the status quo (Uranus) within a shift in the perspectives of consciousness (Pluto); Neptune and Pluto reference seeking the ideal (Neptune) in perspectives of consciousness (Pluto). North Node
Planets quindecile North Node may suggest the life purpose; a thrust into public recognition and renown; or a prominent maternal relationship. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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posted December 19, 2013 09:52 PM
So are they basically minor aspects?
I have other interesting minor aspects but I always seem to forget about them mainly because they are "minor" LOL,IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted December 20, 2013 02:45 AM
Noel Tyl and his pupils treat it as a major aspect, as strong in its effect as the dynamic aspects (conjunction, opposition,s quare). I think. I am still researching, but am amazed to see it strength over and over again.
However I am still in the process of making sure it is not really something else that is also triggering that effect, and it is really the qd that is independent in its strength.
Personally I have Venus in exact quindecile to Vertex and Eros (from Cap/ 1st house to Cancer/ 8th house).
Sun and Mercury quindecile my South Node in Gemini in 7th house - another pointer to my focus on analyzing (karmic) relationships. I am wondering though sometimes what about the 15° aspect then? Which is the complement to the 165° quindecile?
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Ceridwen
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posted December 20, 2013 02:47 AM
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Haha positive? Is it positive to be aware of every f*kin little powergame in any existing correlation? I Always thought it was the result of Pluto on my Sun/Moon midpoint within 1*. But now I shake hands with Gabby.. Pluto 166'03 degrees from Chiron.
Sun/Moon midpoint 166'46 degrees from Chiron. Great finding! 
oh I never realized my 20 degree Aries Chiron is of course quindecile my 5 degree Libra MC.
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Kerosene
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posted December 20, 2013 03:36 AM
We'll damn I have a legitimate Pluto aspect then. I have like none besides mars quincunx Pluto lol I dunno though I'm not really that obsessive or maybe I am and don't realize it... No wait I am very ride or die when it comes to love I'll have meditate on this and see how I integrate this in my relationships. Curious side questions my s.o has Venus quintile Pluto are those also signfigant?IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted December 20, 2013 04:25 AM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Noel Tyl and his pupils treat it as a major aspect, as strong in its effect as the dynamic aspects (conjunction, opposition,s quare). I think. I am still researching, but am amazed to see it strength over and over again.
However I am still in the process of making sure it is not really something else that is also triggering that effect, and it is really the qd that is independent in its strength.
Personally I have Venus in exact quindecile to Vertex and Eros (from Cap/ 1st house to Cancer/ 8th house).
Sun and Mercury quindecile my South Node in Gemini in 7th house - another pointer to my focus on analyzing (karmic) relationships. I am wondering though sometimes what about the 15° aspect then? Which is the complement to the 165° quindecile?
Ceri..... You know me! I'm kind of intense and obsessed with healing...I always thought it was just because I was hurt so bad, and I was....but most ppl hurt like me fall apart, they don't pull this ungodly strength out of nowhere and start to force healing, kill anything and everything in the way of healing as I've done!
All I can say is this, finally something makes sense for who i am and what I have force myself to do....it's not an accident I ripped into my soul and refused to let myself off the hook until I figured out what was wrong with me and why I hurt so much...it was this aspect making sure I healed and left no stone unturned to understand how pain alters our souls before I try to help others do the same! It's been an obsession and now I get why it has been! It would have been so much easier to give into the pain and let my life go. I had no control....I could have given up and legitimately had reason for thinking I couldn't win.....but no, that's not what happened and I think it's because of this aspect that I couldn't cave in to the pressure, I had to fight! IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted December 20, 2013 04:29 AM
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
So are they basically minor aspects?
I have other interesting minor aspects but I always seem to forget about them mainly because they are "minor" LOL,
They call this a minor aspect, but if you have one in your chart..... I seriously doubt it will feel minor to you!
I have Uranus square Saturn and Venus opposed jupiter but neither of them have affected me to the extent I see Chiron 165 from ascendant and Pluto, quite simply these are the aspects that have ruled my adult life!
It almost seems like this aspect is going to be the focus of ones life, it will evolve with time and maturity...at first seeming extreme and tearing you apart but once you get a handle on it it's the strength and knowledge you learn from it that propels you forward in a positive direction! And for those with this aspect to Chiron we have the greatest capacity to turn our wound into a healer, we have this massive energy pushing us to do it, I know with Pluto it feels like, do or die! I'm not sure if all placements to Chiron are that intense....but I think they all are intense in one way or another! IP: Logged |
summerlite
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posted December 20, 2013 12:27 PM
lol so we're the obsessive healers? I never really understand what Chiron is about.What would Venus quindecile to Vertex mean then?
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Gabby
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posted December 20, 2013 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by summerlite:
lol so we're the obsessive healers? I never really understand what Chiron is about.What would Venus quindecile to Vertex mean then?
Did you see at the top of this page I answered a lil bit on your question of Chiron to AC....I was wondering what signs your Chiron and AC are also? Venus to Chiron I would think you probably have times you feel you can love people's pain away? Or you look for someone who can love your pain away, like you feel if you found someone who loved you so deeply that their love would melt all your hurts and heal you?
I think over time, after you had done some personal healing, this aspect would evolve into your personal desire to lovingly share yourself and what you've learned and allow your warmth and knowledge to help others heal! IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted December 20, 2013 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Very interesting!  Okay, so I have Neptune / moon 164.20. Trouble is, I have not a CLUE as how to interpret that. I've been looking around on Google but am failing. Anyone have an idea? EDIT: I found this. "This quindecile provides you with the ambition and drive needed to prove that the unknown can be as substantive as the physical reality that we know to be true."
Wow! That is dead on with what I feel and where I feel I need to be headed in my life!
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m.blade
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posted April 12, 2014 02:35 PM
oh WOW venus and uranus exactly 165 degrees apart!IP: Logged |
Celestica
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posted April 12, 2014 05:36 PM
I looked at my chart not expecting to find one but wow, Saturn (ruler of ASC) is quindecile Sun by about 10 minutes.IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted March 04, 2016 01:45 AM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Noel Tyl and his pupils treat it as a major aspect, as strong in its effect as the dynamic aspects (conjunction, opposition, square). I think.
Interesting. IP: Logged |
Violets
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posted March 04, 2016 02:36 AM
Hm. Pluto/Jupiter
Moon/Juno-Chiron
IC/asteroid KARMA
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hypatia238
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posted May 04, 2018 01:17 PM
Nothnode quindecile and quinqueundecim Jupiter conjunct Uranus in the 12H (they are 164 degrees apart).
Jupiter/Uranus undecile Saturn
Jupiter/Uranus decile Pluto When I was a child I had a number of dreams that felt like past life stuff tbh were I was removed from society for some time and in this life there was for a moment a close call for that to repeat itself, I kept thinking in this life is not suppose to play out like that and luckily it did not, I remembered thinking I was born to be free this cannot happen and that was the quindecile talking, I guess the quindecile is stronger than the quinqueundecim but I definitely feel the influence of both, but the quindecile takes over my life more, it wins, its more powerful. Uranus rules my 4H and it was bc of my parents support that I did not end up confined again in this life. Also I have this fear of getting into an accident and becoming paralyzed since I was a child. I remember growing up feeling that my mom wanted to control my whole life and for a while there I did feel trapped in my current relationship and to a point I always will bc a commitment limits your freedom but I don't feel "trapped" like a I did at some point (I guess that is another karmic thing that got resolved). Although I adore my mother and she is a great mom I did move far away from her to free myself of her controlling influence and to fulfill my strong need for adventure evidenced by uranus conjunct jupiter quindecile northnode (I feel this too has helped me get rid of karma with my mom and our relationship is transforming for the better as a result of this healthy distance). I can definitely relate to the quinqueundecim and its meaning but the quindecile seems to win, I feel 164 is very karmic, is set up so that the quindecile provides support for working through and freeing yourself from the quinqueundecim karma perhaps so is a blessing. The quinqueundecim alone sounds horrible though. I guess with me its playing out as getting rid of karma bc it activates my nodes. Its not a coincidence that Jupiter conjunct Uranus is the tightest aspect in my chart. Fascinating. IP: Logged |
mirage29
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posted May 04, 2018 01:35 PM
Taking a moment to say I am thankful to Gabby for having copy-pasted materials AS WELL AS leaving the link.Many of the much-older websites are not supported by their creators anymore -- probably because they aged-out? So thank you thank you thank you!  LL contributers ROCK!!!  IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted May 04, 2018 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by mirage29:
Taking a moment to say I am thankful to Gabby for having copy-pasted materials AS WELL AS leaving the link.Many of the much-older websites are not supported by their creators anymore -- probably because they aged-out? So thank you thank you thank you! LL contributers ROCK!!!
Very True, I tend to that too, copy and paste content and include link and now I am seeing what you are seeing that its important to that bc a lot of websites go down! I always do that but did not realize the extent of how helpful that is. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted July 02, 2018 02:51 PM
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Synastry -If planets are in quindecile aspect, within the synastry of two horoscopes, it indicates obsessive/compulsive inclinations within that relationship. When both persons have natal quindecile(s) and there are quindecile(s) through synastry of the two horoscopes, the relationship dynamics may be overwhelmingly obsessive/compulsive.
This inclination will not be nearly as powerful if those involved do not have quindecile(s) within their own natal horoscopes.
If person "A" has natal quindecile(s), and person "B" doesn't, the obsession/compulsion within the relationship may be one-sided, with "A" focusing on "B".
Uhh I have my venus conjunct mars quinqueundecim and quindecile his venus...which can translate as not been able to be together due to circumstances (quinqueundecim) while simultaneously having an unrelenting desire and drive to be together leading to possibly doing whatever it takes to make this happen and break free from circumstances keeping us apart. At least this is the energy operating in the background. He did describe me as "addictive" and "glorious" hahaha, I am thinking it is our Venus quindecile Venus conjunct Mars, we also have my venus conjunct mars at the apex of a tsquare between this pluto conjunct AC opposite his Mars conjunct DC. We have a venus/mars double whammy after all. Perhaps we cause disruption and upheaval to each other which divorce the individual from the balance of their life. Since Uranus is entering my 5th house is like I welcome that "disruption and upheaval" energy! I feel the quindecile aspect has a Uranus meets Pluto dynamic and flavor: "there is a compulsive feeling of “whatever it takes” to fulfill one’s motivation." IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted July 02, 2018 03:09 PM
I will add that this aspect does cause disruption and upheaval and has a uranus meets pluto flavor, there is an intense focus on creating change but the change ultimately is to serve pluto and trigger needed growth and transformation that needs to take place but keeps getting avoided, this energy makes it harder to avoid bc of this relentless quality that it carries. IP: Logged |
Lerena
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posted July 02, 2018 06:33 PM
I have Saturn and Chiron 164 degrees apart. My dad has depression as a mental illness. Thing is, he isn't crippled and useless without antidepressants. Without my antidepressants, my depression clouds my judgment and I become suicidal. This aspect is perhaps the answer to what my "Chiron" wound is. Saturn comes into play as the representation of my father and me inheriting depression from him to an extent so severe it cannot be healed. I never expected to be at the point I'm at now. After 15 years of obsessively and stubbornly fighting what I thought was a hopeless battle, I'm now very happy with my life. Of course, the Chiron wound is still there, but I have made it to a stable point in life and I can mostly function normally. IP: Logged |
Somna7H
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posted July 02, 2018 07:33 PM
Do we have to calculate manually to find this QD aspect of 165° ?
Or any way to find ?------------------
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charlie
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posted July 03, 2018 11:49 AM
I have Taurus Jupiter exactly 164 degrees away from Scorpio NN. What does this mean? Both are close to MC/IC angles. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted July 03, 2018 12:12 PM
Ha I have jupiter quindecile NN too..Quindecile to Jupiter: may suggest obsessive focus on education, philosophy or spirituality. This aspect may intensify the need for rewards in terms of Jupiter’s sign and house placement. I imagine jupiter themes would be prominent in your life as is part of your destiny. Travel, higher education, reflecting a lot about the mystery of life, spirituality, religion. Consider the house jupiter falls in too and what it rules. Well I have jupiter conjunct uranus so that could explain my obsession with astrology LOL. I also take a little bit from all religions and consider myself even atheist and pagan but also buddhist and think prayer works. I would say I am atheist but also multi-faith so yeah do my own unique thing in this area of life. My jupiter conjunct uranus is in the 12th and rules my chart too....Huhhh Makes me think of my immigration experience as well... Let me run the orbs again for this jupipter quindecile northnode aspect. BRB IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted February 18, 2023 05:09 PM
Quintaundecile 163.65º
0.35º 163.30-164ºUndecaquartisextile 165º
0.50º 164.50-165.5º
http://www.astrolearn.com/astrology-articles/aspects2/ IP: Logged |
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