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Topic: Natal sun square North Node - Experiences? How does it manifest?
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tgem
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posted December 19, 2013 10:36 AM
  
Anyone wit this aspect? Do you have problems moving toward your North node? Do you ever get there? LOLIP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted December 19, 2013 10:51 AM
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Anyone wit this aspect? Do you have problems moving toward your North node? Do you ever get there? LOL
Sun in Cancer, Aries NN. While young I was acting like my Libra SN. Now that I'm getting older ( I'm 27) I am becoming more like my Scorpio ASC and moving toward my Aries NN. I'm becoming more self-centered and focus on my persona.
Until the age 29/30 we are our Sun sign and act like SN ( we are born with it and our lesson in this life is to leave behind the patterns of SN and become more like the NN. To do so we need also to mature. When we reach maturity ASCENDING and becoming our ASC.
To become and act like our NN is probably one of the most difficult things to do in life. Its very hard for us to release old habits, to change and to evolve. Some people don't even succeed ( that's why we reincarnate).
Those who don't succeed in becoming their NN and ASC ( NN/ASC axis is linked) are those people who die before reaching maturity. We fail to understand why death happens to soon and to people who did nothing. Karma instead knows the reason and doesn't care. The laws of karma are unquestionable.
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posted December 19, 2013 11:35 AM
I have both Sun and Moon (in opposition and intercepted houses) square my NN and Neptune.Sun in Pisces in 8th
Moon in Virgo in 2nd
NN in Sag in 4th/5th
Neptune in 5th. This is a gigantic pain in my @ss, but I think I'm moving more on my NN path than I was before, but it took me about 33 years to even start (I'm almost 39 now). Give it a few decades, especially if intercepted houses/signs are involved.  IP: Logged |
Violets
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posted December 19, 2013 11:38 AM
I'll try to come back and offer a little more input if you want. I've found that this is a really difficult aspect to find any information on, or personal experience. Most people aren't quite as...um...lucky as we are in that sense. IP: Logged |
tgem
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posted December 19, 2013 11:43 AM
Very interesting! NN in Libra/ SN Aries. So then what if someone has moon trine NN? I would suspect that since moon is your heart, you have an easier time "following your heart" and moving toward your NN, since the trine is harmonious? Vs. sun (which is your ego/personality) having a very difficult time, or at least much longer time moving toward their NN because the square is a difficult aspect? How am I doing? Thoughts? IP: Logged |
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posted December 19, 2013 11:49 AM
I would trade my Moon square NN in for a trine any day!  Yes, I would think that at least your emotions would be working more towards your NN goal, but your ego or "true self" perhaps not so much. You have to find a compromise with the square in order for it to work to your advantage, I think. IP: Logged |
jjj
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posted December 19, 2013 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Those who don't succeed in becoming their NN and ASC ( NN/ASC axis is linked) are those people who die before reaching maturity.
Very interesting. I have been thinking the same thing.
Rosalind, how are NN/ASC axis linked? IP: Logged |
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posted December 19, 2013 01:34 PM
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Very interesting. I have been thinking the same thing.
Rosalind, how are NN/ASC axis linked?
I am interested in this as well. I don't think I've ever heard that before (but there are a lot of things in astrology I've never heard before coming to this site). Interestingly, the only help that my NN receives is from my afflicted Venus and Ceres, and a sextile from Pluto and Vesta. I don't know if being conjunct Neptune is particularly helpful. The most progress I've made towards my NN has been with the help of hard Pluto transits. IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted December 19, 2013 01:39 PM
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Very interesting. I have been thinking the same thing.
Rosalind, how are NN/ASC axis linked?
NN is our life path. Our journey and destination. The ASC is also a journey and a destination but not as a "road" but as ascension in personality.
The ASC is what we MUST become. We are still our sun sign but the ASC is what we must become in order to understand and accept who we REALLY are.
NN is our life path. The lessons we need to learn in this life. Lets say a person has NN in 6th house in Aries. NN in 6th house means the person must SERVE others (its the Virgo house) BUT because the NN is in Aries ( an I sign) that person must learn to serve others WITHOUT neglecting itself. A NN in Aries means karmic lessons regarding oneself. If you grew up being absolutely FOR others and you forgot to see for yourself and take care of yourself your NN is showing you where you were wrong. You are still living the patterns of your SN. You don't progress, you don't grow. While we are working to reach our NN, we also getting older and after the age of 30 the Rising is starting to do its job. Do NOT confuse it with Saturn return. Saturn is forcing us to mature while the ASC is actually THE REAL us. People say the ASC is our mask but no. There is no mask. The ASC is what we TRULY are but because we are not born with life experience tends to be "dormant" for a while. As we grow, the power of the ASC is getting more and more in tune. We start to see differences in ourselves we didnt see or noticed before. Other people WILL see those differences even earlier than us but we are not ready to do so. The little voice inside us is telling that we are not ready. Its not the right time. And skipping experiences or time its not wise. People who have Sun/Moon/ASC in easy aspects will not notice much the differences because the energies are in tune and no conflicted. But those with conflicting energies in the trio will always have this feeling of incompleteness and inner struggle.
Another idicator is planets squaring the ASC. I have Saturn in 1st house square Scorpio Rising. I have inner struggles and I did feel for a long time that something was missing in my life. Regarding NN it is better to not be afflicted by SATURN or Uranus or Pluto. Or to be on angles. Why? Because it is slowing the progress way more than the normal. I have almost a square and I am trapped.
Another thing I want to mention is Sun/Moon/ASC conjunct NN. These people have inner struggles too. Why? Because in conjunction is like sitting in one place and never leave it. Its a comfortable energy that goes nowhere. And if there a trine with Saturn its worse. They are left confused and living in their own world. These people need to find BALANCE. These people have usually a special karma regarding their ego, feelings and persona. Also a special karma with parents or with themselves.
I know a person who has NN conjunct ASC and its the most confused person I ever met. While she should work MORE on her persona and building her SELF esteem she is living her SN in relationships. She can't be alone. She doesn't want to be alone. She DOESN'T have an identity.
With parents. NN conjunct Sun or Moon is like having NN in 4th or 10th house. That person has a special mission. To solve the problems within those houses and/or with either of the parents. In my opinion when karmic houses are occupied by Sun or Moon we know the karma is negative but NN is positive and if we fail to construct a good relationship with either of the parents we won't be able to learn any lesson. IP: Logged |
summerlite
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posted December 19, 2013 01:48 PM
when you look at old people, do you see their ASC or sun sign?IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted December 19, 2013 01:56 PM
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when you look at old people, do you see their ASC or sun sign?
If I don't know them the ASC. If I know them I see also the Sun. Sun is our spirit. ASC is our body and our character. My sister is a Leo Sun but if I didnt know her I would say she's a VIRGO. Leo is about craving attention, being loud and boastful etc. My sister is shy, timid and the most calm person in this world. IP: Logged |
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posted December 19, 2013 02:28 PM
Thank you, Rosalind, that was very detailed. I always thought ASC was kind of mask...
Just one question... what would be the lesson of someone with Aries Venus conjunct Aries SN (and opposed Libra NN of course)? Thank you for the explanation! IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted December 19, 2013 02:37 PM
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Thank you, Rosalind, that was very detailed. I always thought ASC was kind of mask...
Just one question... what would be the lesson of someone with Aries Venus conjunct Aries SN (and opposed Libra NN of course)?
Venus is about love and attraction. When conjuncting with the SN (past life) one needs to learn to not stick with the past. (Literally). Usually Aries Venus likes things straight forward and opposite Libra NN means one thing: to have YOUR OWN identity in your relationships. Usually Libra influenced people are capable of losing themselvea in the relationship and give themselves to the partner completely. Libra NN is about establising loving relationships but Aries is telling you: OK man, do that but learn to not turn yourself into a carpet where everyone can walk over.
Aries SN conjunct Aries Venus means that in your past life you were SELFISH and SELF centered in relationships. It was all about I and not WE. Now, with Libra NN you need to stop doing things BLACK and white and make them GREY. Otherwise you wont be able to find happiness. IP: Logged |
Violets
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posted December 19, 2013 02:38 PM
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Anyone wit this aspect? Do you have problems moving toward your North node? Do you ever get there? LOL
I have a weird thing with my NN. It's conjunct my husband's Neptune in his 12th, my mother in-law's Chiron in her 12th (both Sag ACs), and my son's Vertex in his 5th. So basically, since I met my husband (during the intermission of my Pluto square Venus transit) I have done kind of an about-face, and my life course has been hugely altered in a very good, very permanent way. I have noticed that in overcoming (or taking steps to overcome) my Sun/Moon opposition, it helps me on my NN path. When I speak directly and spontaneously (Sag NN), and have fun playing with my son, I am working towards my NN. This requires me to be less critical of myself and less introverted (Virgo Moon/Pisces Sun). It's interesting that my 2nd and 8th are intercepted (where my Moon and Sun reside, respectively), and the things that have helped me develop the better qualities of those signs have been my marriage (7th) and developing sense of self(AC/1st). I'm still kind of working on developing my sense of self and not allowing my Virgo Moon to grind my self-esteem into the ground, but a lot of these NN connections with the people around me is helping me to do that. If that makes sense... So, sure...even with a gigantic, tight Grand Cross with Sun, Moon, NN, and SN (and Neptune in there) I think it's possible to get there. Eventually. IP: Logged |
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posted December 19, 2013 04:17 PM
In other words...in my case, I had to meet important people in my life whose planets touch my NN in order to help me overcome the squares and blockages to it. That didn't happen until later in my life.  IP: Logged |
tgem
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posted December 19, 2013 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Venus is about love and attraction. When conjuncting with the SN (past life) one needs to learn to not stick with the past. (Literally). Usually Aries Venus likes things straight forward and opposite Libra NN means one thing: to have YOUR OWN identity in your relationships. Usually Libra influenced people are capable of losing themselvea in the relationship and give themselves to the partner completely. Libra NN is about establising loving relationships but Aries is telling you: OK man, do that but learn to not turn yourself into a carpet where everyone can walk over.
Aries SN conjunct Aries Venus means that in your past life you were SELFISH and SELF centered in relationships. It was all about I and not WE. Now, with Libra NN you need to stop doing things BLACK and white and make them GREY. Otherwise you wont be able to find happiness.
Rosalind: this is great thank you! I have NN Libra and SN Aries as well. And I get the giving more in relationships vs. being selfish. However, my NN is in the 4th and my SN is in the 10th. Both my jupiter and ASC square the NN/SN axis. CN you help clarify the significance of the house placements? IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted December 19, 2013 04:44 PM
Not only do I have natal sun (Virgo) square NN (Sagg), I also have ascendant (Pisces) square NN. So it feels like a double whammy.My experience and words of wisdom: As a sun square NN/SN axis, I find that I don't quite fit in with current trends whatever they are. I seem to relate better with other time periods.
I agree that it takes decades before you can come into your own. Unless you have planets at the NN, it is the last place where you want to go. I had no planets there so I resisted it as much as I could until I had no choice but to embrace it. Anyway, what is the sliver lining? any planet you have that is square the NN can actually become a point of integration between the NN and the SN, because it is their midpoint. When I understood that, after years of agonizing over this aspect, things got easier for me. I allow myself to feel my Sun, as a balancing act between the energies of my NN and SN, and I also use my ascendant which also falls at the opposite midpoint. I thought I was cursed with a grand cross, but now I realized I am blessed. that's why I say that every chart has a gift. ------------------
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posted December 19, 2013 05:16 PM
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posted December 20, 2013 12:49 AM
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posted December 20, 2013 02:23 AM
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Rosalind: this is great thank you! I have NN Libra and SN Aries as well. And I get the giving more in relationships vs. being selfish. However, my NN is in the 4th and my SN is in the 10th. Both my jupiter and ASC square the NN/SN axis. CN you help clarify the significance of the house placements?
4th/10th axis. You have a family karma. With SN in 10th house you were born focus on your career. Since early age you had this thought to have a career. Its not a bad thing but you did the same thing in a past life. NN in 4th house means that in this life you need to focus your attention on your family ( parents and siblings) and the family you will have on your own. Because SN is always tricky, you will start doing these things later in life. You will marry later in life because its hard to get rid of old habits. It is possible to be workaholic in the first half of your life and then as you get older to notice that something is missing in your life. The urge to have a family and to establish good relationships with your family will strike you. Your career will still be important but its gonna come second. This placement of SN in 10th house may show an early work retirement. IP: Logged |
tgem
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posted December 20, 2013 09:58 AM
@ Rosiland- thanks but I don't know how much this resignates with me. Let me give you an example. Yes, my goal from a young age was to have a successful career, make a lot of money blah blah. I married at 26 and quite my career (reluctantly) to follow my husband's career and stay home with the family. I did that for 7 years and devoted all my time to our family. However I was married to a workaholic ( our NN's conjunct ) and I became very lonely and restless at home. Eventually, my marriage ended, despite my efforts to concentrate on supporting my husband and my family and now I am forced to enter the workforce again full-time to support myself and my son. So, you see, I know Libra is about partnerships, but I was moving in the direction of my NN (or so I thought) but it ended up badly. Could the 4th signify something else I'm missing? IP: Logged |
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posted December 20, 2013 11:12 AM
^ I think you were doing what you need to do for your NN, but your ex wasn't. Goals were aligned but both in opposite direction. That seems to be part of the reason for divorce. Maybe it would have been better if his NN was in 10th house. I don't know..If i see couple with both their NN 4th house, i would have thought they would be working from home together or something like that. IP: Logged |
tgem
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posted December 20, 2013 11:27 AM
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^ I think you were doing what you need to do for your NN, but your ex wasn't. Goals were aligned but both in opposite direction. That seems to be part of the reason for divorce. Maybe it would have been better if his NN was in 10th house. I don't know..If i see couple with both their NN 4th house, i would have thought they would be working from home together or something like that.
Yeah, his NN was in Libra but in the 5th unlike mine in the 4th. IP: Logged |
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