posted December 24, 2013 10:52 PM            

Here is what the web says about them:
Coalescent charts, which were invented recently by Lawrence Grinnell (Eytan), are similar to composite charts except that they are based on harmonics rather than midpoints.
� The harmonic used is based on the relative positions of the planets in the individuals natal charts.
� A different harmonic is used for each planet, for the Nodes of the Moon, and for the Midheaven.
� These charts show unusual sensitivity to transits, and they hold a great deal of information about the dynamics involved in a relationship between two people, or for a person and an event.

How the Planets positions are calculated:
(Astrowin.com calculates them for you)

Find the shortest arc between the positions of a planet [or function] in the natal charts of two people.
� Divide this angle into 360 degrees.
� This gives the harmonic.
� Next, multiply the position of either planet by the harmonic.
� Subtract 360 from this number as many times as needed to get a number in the 0 to 360 degree range.
� This number is the coalescent position, and it is the same regardless of which of the two planets is used.

If, however, the shortest arc [between the two natal positions] passes over 0 degrees Aries, you must add 360 to the position beyond 0 Aries when you determine the angle between the two positions.� (If you choose to multiply this planet�s position by the harmonic, you must also add 360 to the position.)

With this method both the angle between the two positions and the positions themselves enter into the calculation of the coalescent positions.

Other factors

Declinations:� Set to zero.

Nodes: Use like any other factor in the charts.

Zodiac:� Use what you like because the principle will still work, but the aspects can change dramatically from one zodiac to another.

posted December 25, 2013 03:44 AM            

I have astrowin already but have never looked into what coalescent charts really are. Another type of composite, huh. I'll look into it.

posted December 25, 2013 06:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Thanks for posting this.

I have astrowin already but have never looked into what coalescent charts really are. Another type of composite, huh. I'll look into it.

Did you find any good essays about coalescent charts on the net, maybe you could post them here. That'd be interesting.

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I agree with that.

Also, why does the Vertex always end up on 00 Cancer or Capricorn?

Also the birthtime has to be ABSOLUTELY correct, or else even a minute will give a different planetary position.

posted December 25, 2013 07:31 AM            

- ASC conjunct Jupiter: 4°
- NN oppospite MErcury: 1° (this is NOT a conjunction with SN btw)
- SN square Sun: 2°
- Venus sextile Sun: 3°
- Venus square Saturn: 3°
- Venus trine Uranus: 2°
- Venus trine Pluto: 0°
- Moon conjunct Neptune: 1°
- Neptune trine True Lilith: 1°
- Chiron square Uranus exact
- Chiron squrae Pluto 2°
- Vertex oposite Ceres: 1°

And for the Newman-Woodward coascelent chart:

- ASC widely conjunct Sun: 8°
- Sun widely trine Jupiter: 5
- Neptune square Venus: 3
- Neptune square LIlith: 3
- Neptune trine Moon: 3
- Neptune opp. Uranus: 2
- Neptune trine Vertex: 2
- Neptune square NN: 2
- Mars sextile Venus: 3
- Mars sextile LIlith: 3
- Mars trine Saturn: 3
- Mars trine NN: 3
- Venus conjunct Lilith exact
- Venus opposite NN: 1
- Lilith opposite NN: 1
- Jupiter square Pluto: 2
- Moon sextile Uranus: 2
- Moon square SN: 2
- Moon trine ertex: 1
- Saturn sextile Vertex: 1
- Pluto conjnct Mercury: 4
- Mercury conjunct SN: 5
- SN square Juno: 2

To be honest I am not too thrilled.

I noticed some similiarities in these charts though

- ASC harmoniously aspecting Jupiter
- NN or SN conjunct/ opposite MErcury
- Venus or Mars aspecting Saturn
- Neptune harmoniously aspecting Moon
- Neptune aspecting True Lilith

Probably this is a coincidence though.

posted December 25, 2013 09:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Also the birthtime has to be ABSOLUTELY correct, or else even a minute will give a different planetary position.

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No, a few minutes of change in the birth time will only change the ASC and MC and maybe very slightly the Moon. The rest remains unchanged, because each planet/point is calculated with a different arc.

posted December 25, 2013 03:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
No, a few minutes of change in the birth time will only change the ASC and MC and maybe very slightly the Moon. The rest remains unchanged, because each planet/point is calculated with a different arc.

btw, are you, guys, using the Mean or the True Node in your astro work?

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In the case with Mr Sag, if I change his birthtime even just one minute the Sun ends up in the next sign, curiously the others, INCLUDING Moon, stay near their degrees though.
Do you know why the Sun changes so much?

If I use his birthtime with 12:33 p.m. it gives a Sun of 13°07 CANCER in the coalescent chart.
If I use his birthtime with 12:34 p.m. the Sun is on 14°10 Gemini in the chart.
With a birthtime of 12:35 Sun is on 9°53 Aries.
With a birthtime of 12:30 Sun is on 02°12 Pisces.

I have no clue why the Sun-degree is jumping around so much, whereas the Moon-degree stays relatively fixed.

The other thing you mentioned, the relation to natal charts, I noticed that in the case of Mr Sag and me, too. In the coalescent chart Venus is on 11 Pisces.
My Jupiter is on 11 PIsces, opposing his Mars-Jupiter-conjunction on 10-11 Virgo.

posted December 25, 2013 05:13 PM            

both, solar fire and astrowin, give the same numbers for the Sun, depending on the birthtime.
It is funny cause our Suns are actually only a mere degree from each other!

posted December 25, 2013 05:13 PM            

both, solar fire and astrowin, give the same numbers for the Sun, depending on the birthtime.
It is funny cause our Suns are actually only a mere degree from each other!

posted December 25, 2013 05:41 PM              

After a bunch of frustration I did figure out how to pull up coalescent charts though. There may be some validity to this stuff.

Sun opposite Saturn
Venus conjunct Saturn
Venus trine Pluto
venus square chiron
Venus square Uranus-Jupiter conjunction

How do you think that played out?

posted December 25, 2013 06:07 PM            

now, put your two names together and check your Cosmodynes - see the harmony between you, the power and the good to bad ratio. Is the harmony between you a negative or a positive number? What is the strongest planet in your synastry?

posted December 25, 2013 07:51 PM            

for my Dad:

minus 2459,48

for my Mum:

minus 1449,94

posted December 25, 2013 09:08 PM              

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Originally posted by Orange:
IMF,
give it some time and you will warm up to it, only because the astrowin software has just about any astro information you'd need. I know, it doesn't look pretty, rather simple, but still...

now, put your two names together and check your Cosmodynes - see the harmony between you, the power and the good to bad ratio. Is the harmony between you a negative or a positive number? What is the strongest planet in your synastry?

Do the Cosmodynes.....

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That's not the problem - it's damn near unreadable, that's my problem. The glyphs are all tiny and smushed, the colors they use make it even harder to read them.

And it takes forever for me to find all the different 'functions'. I can't even figure out how to get the Cosmodyne part to display the data for two people.

Forget it I'm not even that interested anymore it's too much trouble lmao.

posted December 26, 2013 04:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Party pooper

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LOL
Yeah, just saying I haven`t found the cosmodynes to be correct at all, in several relationships.
And I agree, the software is a bit of a pain int he butt.