|
Author
|
Topic: Placements for disenfranchised/outcasted people
|
StrandedSaturn
Knowflake Posts: 42
From: Death Valley, CA
Registered: Dec 2013
|
posted December 25, 2013 04:53 AM
  
The bums you see on the street who can't find jobs, the anarchists who feel like society is corrupt and they've been thrown into the world. People who believe the world is cold and are prone to depression/suicide. I know, it's a merry christmas right? Well, not for me, I've constantly argued with family lately, everything is closed today so even if I tried to look for a job, or get back to school, nothing is open. No one really cares about how you feel, only want to use you in some ways if they can't get money out of you they won't talk to you more often than not. Yet, I'm looked down upon as selfish and over emotional, disenfranchised with the world as we know it, I am not satisfied in my life. I've never been able to sustain a stable job or get things going for myself, only been dragged down, judged, etc. ''But he has a computer'' people say, like that makes a difference, having money doesn't even make much difference with how I feel. I am completely out of touch, lost, don't know how to get back. I don't see myself ever having any friends, people irritate me, people backstab you and hurt you. On top of all this, I am struggling and have been misunderstandbly struggling with social anxiety and panic for years with little sympathy or help from doctors or family support. Any time I have opened up in my life has backfired on me. The way I see it I am at a huge hill right now and I am going to climb this hill or I will not make it out of this depression alive because I cannot go on like this. Rant over. You can ignore it, if you want and answer the original question. IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness
Knowflake Posts: 4547
From:
Registered: Aug 2012
|
posted December 25, 2013 05:02 AM
- Saturn/Chiron in 11th house. Look at the aspects and position of 11th house ruler as well.- Outer planets in 1st house. IP: Logged |
next to neptune
Knowflake Posts: 671
From: Mercury
Registered: Aug 2013
|
posted December 25, 2013 05:15 AM
I would like to see your chart so I can help you, cause I really want to. I lost my brother a couple of weeks ago, and his problems sounds somehow a bit similar to yours. He was also an outcast who couldn't hold a job or thought he couldn't get friends. But everybody loved him and he was a very nice person. He was intelligent and philosophical but he was very sensitive to the cruel world. IP: Logged |
StrandedSaturn
Knowflake Posts: 42
From: Death Valley, CA
Registered: Dec 2013
|
posted December 25, 2013 05:34 AM
quote:
Originally posted by next to neptune:
I would like to see your chart so I can help you, cause I really want to. I lost my brother a couple of weeks ago, and his problems sounds somehow a bit similar to yours. He was also an outcast who couldn't hold a job or thought he couldn't get friends. But everybody loved him and he was a very nice person. He was intelligent and philosophical but he was very sensitive to the cruel world.
I don't know how anyone could help me except me. Sorry about your brother I read your thread before. My dad died earlier this year and I have been told by a couple people to 'get over it' and 'the world doesnt revolve around you there are people who are worse off'.IP: Logged |
23
Knowflake Posts: 493
From: The Strand
Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted December 25, 2013 05:58 AM
Your name says it. Saturn and as mentioned, Chiron and Uranus.I deeply hear you, you've replicated a lot what I feel. It's a dog eat dog world and the kinder you are, the more they will sit on your face. You feel alienated because you are different, childlike, sensitive and yet you feel wise because you can see it all. I know you feel the same as me. I'm so sorry you feel this way. My only advice is that you are your best friend - NEVER ever beat yourself down and try not to rely on others. You must be good to yourself, you must protect yourself - everyone else looks after their own interests including dear ones to you. Also, if they detect unhappiness from the inside, they will rip you up further especially in workplaces where people are competitors. Build strength internally somehow. I will say a prayer for you tonight. IP: Logged |
NeptunianSag
Knowflake Posts: 375
From: Your imagination
Registered: Aug 2013
|
posted December 25, 2013 07:04 AM
I have Chiron in Leo in the 10th, Pluto, Neptune square mid heaven in cancer. I feel the same way as you, social anxiety probably my Saturn conjunct Venus, Neptune square asc, moon in Virgo 11th fear of judgement, and libra asc things always have to be perfect and balanced or else I feel depressed. Then there is the world, so imperfect,full of judgement and ugliness in others disenchants me and sends me into a depression and self critical thing, thinking there must be something wrong with me if others are judging me. I don't really find interest in the rat race or being told what to do, I can't hold a job properly, (Neptune in 3rd, mars in cancer opposite Neptune) I have to have things perfectly balanced on a spiritual level or else I cannot do anything, especially if people are judging, bullying or being rude/brash/stupid then I'm sorry I don't want to live with that and im not settling for less. And that is why I feel so demotivated because of anxiety and a general dislike for human ugliness/society ugliness, I believe life should be a spiritual journey, not one of material greed and unhappiness. But it seems the majority are so blind to this idea and I feel cast out because I have different views of how life should be lived. Also I have Uranus in 3rd so my brain thinks differently than most. Also Venus in aqua which makes me appear strange to some. IP: Logged |
NeptunianSag
Knowflake Posts: 375
From: Your imagination
Registered: Aug 2013
|
posted December 25, 2013 07:15 AM
I have Chiron in Leo in the 10th, Pluto, Neptune square mid heaven in cancer. I feel the same way as you, social anxiety probably my Saturn conjunct Venus, Neptune square asc, moon in Virgo 11th fear of judgement, and libra asc things always have to be perfect and balanced or else I feel depressed. Then there is the world, so imperfect,full of judgement and ugliness in others disenchants me and sends me into a depression and self critical thing, thinking there must be something wrong with me if others are judging me. I don't really find interest in the rat race or being told what to do, I can't hold a job properly, (Neptune in 3rd, mars in cancer opposite Neptune) I have to have things perfectly balanced on a spiritual level or else I cannot do anything, especially if people are judging, bullying or being rude/brash/stupid then I'm sorry I don't want to live with that and im not settling for less. And that is why I feel so demotivated because of anxiety and a general dislike for human ugliness/society ugliness, I believe life should be a spiritual journey, not one of material greed and unhappiness. But it seems the majority are so blind to this idea and I feel cast out because I have different views of how life should be lived. Also I have Uranus in 3rd so my brain thinks differently than most. Also Venus in aqua which makes me appear strange to some. IP: Logged |
NeptunianSag
Knowflake Posts: 375
From: Your imagination
Registered: Aug 2013
|
posted December 25, 2013 07:15 AM
I have Chiron in Leo in the 10th, Pluto, Neptune square mid heaven in cancer. I feel the same way as you, social anxiety probably my Saturn conjunct Venus, Neptune square asc, moon in Virgo 11th fear of judgement, and libra asc things always have to be perfect and balanced or else I feel depressed. Then there is the world, so imperfect,full of judgement and ugliness in others disenchants me and sends me into a depression and self critical thing, thinking there must be something wrong with me if others are judging me. I don't really find interest in the rat race or being told what to do, I can't hold a job properly, (Neptune in 3rd, mars in cancer opposite Neptune) I have to have things perfectly balanced on a spiritual level or else I cannot do anything, especially if people are judging, bullying or being rude/brash/stupid then I'm sorry I don't want to live with that and im not settling for less. And that is why I feel so demotivated because of anxiety and a general dislike for human ugliness/society ugliness, I believe life should be a spiritual journey, not one of material greed and unhappiness. But it seems the majority are so blind to this idea and I feel cast out because I have different views of how life should be lived. Also I have Uranus in 3rd so my brain thinks differently than most. Also Venus in aqua which makes me appear strange to some. IP: Logged |
soren
Knowflake Posts: 248
From: vancouver, bc, canada
Registered: Sep 2012
|
posted December 25, 2013 07:16 AM
Hows the old sex drive? Are you like me, a 3rd born baby with a bigger brother so that in my mother's womb I was naturally subjected with more female hormones and thus I am more female- like then my older brother and thus I am not attracted to a lot of women because most are not my opposite. That's one theory anyway. I don't really fit in with a lot of society. 3 times in my life I've been homeless on purpose. I'm not inspired to hold a job or just make money to pay bills and get by. When I stayed in a youth shelter I questioned why each of them were there. Some of them were orphans. But I found that each was strange in someway. Almost like they were just there because they didn't fit in with society in some way. This isn't a bad thing. It's a beautiful thing. When you finally are able to see that not everyone else is right about you, but that you are right about you. I don't desire money. I don't desire to own a house or a car. I live life for the knowledge and beautiful spiritual understandings that I am very grateful that they come my way. Although I'm aware that I'm very selfish. Even though life is amazing and I believe everything happens for a reason. I don't really believe in good or bad, just people reacting in a way that is the most pleasant or easy for each of them (most of the time anyway). I only want to do what's right and I don't want to hurt others. It doesn't matter that you might be selfish or over emotional. People shouldn't judge you. People should just love. Even though my dad is in a ****** state and all I do is judge like he should just get better and stop being so down. That's bad but it just seems so hard to help him. I'm hoping he will get better one way or another. Anyway I hope you get better. You should just try to love and enjoy life. That's mostly what matters I think. Love energy is more powerful than anything else. I just felt like typing all that hopefully it wasnt too selfish of me. Dont kill yourself. You are worthy and just because you cant see it doesnt mean its not true.
IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
Knowflake Posts: 7155
From:
Registered: Dec 2010
|
posted December 25, 2013 07:22 AM
What's going on in your chart, Stranded?
What are transits doing? Saturn or Neptune hitting something sensitive in your chart?Sorry you feel this way *hugs* <3 I hope you'll feel better soon. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
Knowflake Posts: 7155
From:
Registered: Dec 2010
|
posted December 25, 2013 07:22 AM
dp.IP: Logged |
soren
Knowflake Posts: 248
From: vancouver, bc, canada
Registered: Sep 2012
|
posted December 25, 2013 07:24 AM
We live in a tough time but love and understanding will get you by. IP: Logged |
soren
Knowflake Posts: 248
From: vancouver, bc, canada
Registered: Sep 2012
|
posted December 25, 2013 07:50 AM
If we approach things with openness maybe the answers will be clearIP: Logged |
teasel
Knowflake Posts: 5865
From:
Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted December 25, 2013 08:21 AM
I don't know. Sometimes I feel fine, and other times the panic and depression hits me again so fast, that it knocks me over. Things have been rough and confusing, but I've been trying; I regret saying anything about what happens, but I feel so lonely at times now - have done for years. It's especially hard now that I'm still isolated, and my sister, who was basically my only in-person friend (everyone else ranges from Southern Ohio, to California or England). And then there are the people who said, "I love you, but I can't handle this anymore [my being so miserable, and things getting worse] - or those who sat silently and judged for months, and then were cruel. One had me sobbing away, a few months ago. I hadn't expected people to like me for so long, when they did it was a nice surprise. Then this started up - my depression and anxiety grew worse, and my family exploded, and well... they didn't like me *that* much. Others dragged me into things I wasn't a part of. I used to feel so great about people - after so long being isolated - and now my social anxiety is way up again.I'll probably edit this out later. For the planets: I have Saturn squaring my Mercury, Pluto, and Jupiter. Pluto is my chart ruler. I also have Chiron conjunct Sun as one of my tightest aspects. Moon/Venus inconjunct Uranus/ascendant - I think that lends itself to peoples' changing their tune out of nowhere. I can feel exceptionally miserable and alone, but I can sometimes shift my mood by getting out of the house (when I can), or crying it out and then curling up under the shower, and watching something/having tea after that - hiding out until I feel better. I had one person mock my coping mechanisms, and she's the one that had me sobbing. I'm really beginning to hate social media, and only keep facebook because of the good people I already have on there, including old friends and family. IP: Logged |
soren
Knowflake Posts: 248
From: vancouver, bc, canada
Registered: Sep 2012
|
posted December 25, 2013 09:59 AM
Well you know what, I often over eat and eat too much sugar to make me feel better and I hide that from a lot of people out of fear that they would think I'm a shame or something. So maybe you will get stronger and not let ppls opinions get to you too much. You are growing stronger and you can get through this. Once you get used to challenges they will no longer seem so hard. I suggest nature. You know I always feel better when I do something daring or finish some accomplishment. And sometimes the opportunity for me to even accomplish something or do something daring is rare. So don't get discouraged even though it is challenging. And you know what. I've done some things that might have messed my brain up, like never learning new things. I feel like i have mild autism where my imagination is only a very narrow view of the world. And I beat myself up about that for a long time and was trying to use my right brain more. But it's just to hard. I eventually started to think, "I dont care if I die.. if i have to go on living and challenging myself like this I just dont care if I die if I stop challenging myself." and then I stopped challenging myself and I didnt die like I feared. in fact nothing bad happened. And here I am amazed with life and how it has always worked out so far. You sound cool. Finding friends that you get along with is important I think. This is all i can type for now IP: Logged |
IMoppedtheFloor
Knowflake Posts: 106
From: USA
Registered: Dec 2013
|
posted December 25, 2013 01:12 PM
This question operates off the assumption that outcast/non-conformist people are automatically all miserable, by default.Which isn't true. Anyways, Uranus will show you outcasts, probably Pluto and Neptune too, all for different reasons. How they cope with being different and on the outside probably as to do with other chart factors. I have Uranus on an angle, Pluto conjunct my moon, and Neptune is a singleton (in that it occupies an entire half of my chart by itself). I'm totally an outcast. Do I mind it? No, because I noticed that honestly I'm happier the less I interact with other people. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
Knowflake Posts: 6486
From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
|
posted December 25, 2013 01:18 PM
I would like to know, but the only way to know for sure is do a survey on the homeless, get their exact birth time, and look up their charts. It would be interesting to see what comes up. Maybe, we would see oppositions to the MC? IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
Knowflake Posts: 6486
From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
|
posted December 25, 2013 01:24 PM
quote:
Originally posted by StrandedSaturn:
The bums you see on the street who can't find jobs, the anarchists who feel like society is corrupt and they've been thrown into the world. People who believe the world is cold and are prone to depression/suicide. I know, it's a merry christmas right? Well, not for me, I've constantly argued with family lately, everything is closed today so even if I tried to look for a job, or get back to school, nothing is open. No one really cares about how you feel, only want to use you in some ways if they can't get money out of you they won't talk to you more often than not. Yet, I'm looked down upon as selfish and over emotional, disenfranchised with the world as we know it, I am not satisfied in my life. I've never been able to sustain a stable job or get things going for myself, only been dragged down, judged, etc. ''But he has a computer'' people say, like that makes a difference, having money doesn't even make much difference with how I feel. I am completely out of touch, lost, don't know how to get back. I don't see myself ever having any friends, people irritate me, people backstab you and hurt you. On top of all this, I am struggling and have been misunderstandbly struggling with social anxiety and panic for years with little sympathy or help from doctors or family support. Any time I have opened up in my life has backfired on me. The way I see it I am at a huge hill right now and I am going to climb this hill or I will not make it out of this depression alive because I cannot go on like this. Rant over. You can ignore it, if you want and answer the original question.
Well, it sounds to me like you have some panic thing going on. I find taking deep breaths and a couple teaspoons of Liquid Benadryl can help. Just try to relax and think about something that you like, that isn't stressful, or watch your favorite movie. Do something creative, like write, paint, draw. Just whatever it is you like to do. IP: Logged |
next to neptune
Knowflake Posts: 671
From: Mercury
Registered: Aug 2013
|
posted December 25, 2013 07:16 PM
quote:
Originally posted by StrandedSaturn:
I don't know how anyone could help me except me. Sorry about your brother I read your thread before. My dad died earlier this year and I have been told by a couple people to 'get over it' and 'the world doesnt revolve around you there are people who are worse off'.
Please let us try here on LL to help you. I would really want to see your chart, cause astrology is a nice tool to guide you on the way, that's why we are in here right? I believe that astrology can really help to understand, though I don't know you at all.
And thanks for your concern 
People who says "just get over it" doesn't know what they are talking about, or they have never tried it themselves to lose someone very close to them.
Sorry about your dad too, that must really be hard. IP: Logged |
earthypisces
Knowflake Posts: 390
From: Greenville, South Carolina
Registered: Jan 2012
|
posted December 26, 2013 12:26 AM
quote:
the anarchists who feel like society is corrupt and they've been thrown into the world. People who believe the world is cold and are prone to depression/suicide.
wow...I don't think I've ever seen anyone describe how I feel more often than not so perfectly. I have Saturn in Pisces in the 11th house (also conjunct my Sun). Hmm...that second part kind of makes me think of my Venus conjunct Neptune. I can relate to pretty much your entire post, honestly. Your family sounds a lot like mine... ------------------
My chart: http://i.imgur.com/N9w5x4Z.gif IP: Logged | |
Lindaland
UBBFriend: Email This Page to Someone! 
