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Topic: chart rulership question
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moonstruck87
Knowflake Posts: 55
From: Indianapolis, IN
Registered: Mar 2011
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posted December 29, 2013 12:31 PM
  
I know that you look at ASC for chart ruler but if there is a stellium in the personal planets would that planet instead become the chart ruler?Example my son (11mos)
Asc Pisces
Sun, Mercury and Venus in Capricorn So is his ruler Saturn? IP: Logged |
Selene
Knowflake Posts: 500
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Registered: Apr 2013
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posted December 29, 2013 12:37 PM
No, Neptune and Jupiter as a co-ruler.IP: Logged |
moonstruck87
Knowflake Posts: 55
From: Indianapolis, IN
Registered: Mar 2011
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posted December 29, 2013 12:38 PM
Okay, thank you! But now I am just wondering why?IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted December 29, 2013 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by moonstruck87:
Okay, thank you! But now I am just wondering why?
Because Pisces is ruler by Neptune and coruled by Jupiter.
The fact that he has the stellium in Capricorn only will influence him through the energy of Saturn ( the ruler of Capricorn). The stellium is a formation of 3 or more than 3 planets in one sign. Only if Pisces would have been in the stellium would have had the same chart ruler. IP: Logged |
moonstruck87
Knowflake Posts: 55
From: Indianapolis, IN
Registered: Mar 2011
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posted December 29, 2013 01:41 PM
how about Capricorn ASC is there a sub ruler for that? or Saturn only?Thank you for the insight IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted December 29, 2013 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by moonstruck87:
how about Capricorn ASC is there a sub ruler for that? or Saturn only?Thank you for the insight
No. Theree is no subruler. Just Saturn. IP: Logged |
AriesLilith
Knowflake Posts: 223
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Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 29, 2013 04:59 PM
Neptune and Jupiter, being the rulers of AC, will remain as chart rulers even if there is a stellium in some other sign - the focus will always be the AC sign, even thought there can be emphasis on the sign where the stellium is.IP: Logged |
IMoppedtheFloor
Knowflake Posts: 143
From: USA
Registered: Dec 2013
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posted December 29, 2013 05:25 PM
I should say here that Jupiter ruling Pisces is a bit of a misnomer.Jupiter rules Pisces in "Esoteric Astrology", which is a totally separate type of astrology with its own set of rulerships and rules and shouldn't be applied to standard western tropical astrology and interpretation. It's a bit like mixing apples and oranges and you'll just wind up with one big mess. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
Knowflake Posts: 5280
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posted December 29, 2013 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by IMoppedtheFloor:
I should say here that Jupiter ruling Pisces is a bit of a misnomer.Jupiter rules Pisces in "Esoteric Astrology", which is a totally separate type of astrology with its own set of rulerships and rules and shouldn't be applied to standard western tropical astrology and interpretation. It's a bit like mixing apples and oranges and you'll just wind up with one big mess.
Posting this in good faith that I am not addressing a troll (or the troll as it happens) --- Jupiter rules Pisces, traditionally. Not in "Esoteric Astrology". It's totally applicable to standard western tropical astrology and interpretation. IP: Logged |
soren
Knowflake Posts: 255
From: vancouver, bc, canada
Registered: Sep 2012
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posted December 29, 2013 08:40 PM
Well actually guys, I know they say that certain planets rule the signs. But there is no real evidence for this. There are more large bodies discovered and each one hasn't been assigned a ruler of a sign. In fact there is no true evidence to say that Jupiter is better expressed in Sagittarious then Pisces. People just knew that Jupiter was a planet of idealism and philosophy and they thought hm. That matches Sagittarious rather well. Because they were trying to assign each major planet to a sign. They are trying to incorporate ideas together. Like the sun is the self and since Leo is so self centered the sun is best expressed with that energy of driving oneself to make personal gains. Yet the sun is the driving force in our chart. Our vitality and stongest motivation. Who says that it is best represented in leo? All leo is is a fixed fire energy. And all the sun is a force on our brain which is made up of combusting atoms. There is no strong evidence that any type of energy that we feel from the planets is better expressed in a mutable water energy then in a cardinal fire energy or anything. It's just humans trying to term things. Anyway I feel that the true chart ruler is the planet that is on your ascendent and it should maybe be in the first house. If you have no planets there then I'm not sure what your chart ruler would be. Which energy do you feel the strongest? When the sun was on my ascendent I felt the sun the strongest. When my ascendent progressed to have my natal venus on or close to my ascendent I felt it's energy ruling me. And now that it's in my 12th house I don't feel ruled by any particular energy. Maybe I feel ruled by some asteroid that's in Aries. Or Eris. Idk. Anyway I'm just trying to say that if your ascendent is in Capricorn that there is no evidence that that has anything to do with Saturn's energy being dominant in your chart. (unless saturn is on the ascendent). That's what I believe. But it's not like there's much evidence for anything in astrology. IP: Logged |
soren
Knowflake Posts: 255
From: vancouver, bc, canada
Registered: Sep 2012
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posted December 29, 2013 08:51 PM
Not to mention that if Jupiter is at it's perigee (closest point to the earth) that it's energy force will be felt much stronger than if it was at its apogee (furthest point). So if mercury was at it's furthest point from the earth, and it had only a mild effect on you compared to mars which was at its closest point, then just because your ascendent was in gemini then why should mercury in its weakest influence on you that it could have a person, would be your chart ruler? Unless it was close to the ascendent. That's comparable to saying an asteroid is your chart ruler. When really it would have a weak force on you. There's something special about the ascendent and having planets on it. But I think that you only feel those planet's energy strongly when you are using your ascendent in your mind. Because you aren't always under the influence stongly of the planets or ascendent. Sometimes you can feel the moon's energy dominant in you. And sometime's mar's energy is dominant. But when you are using your ascendent (which is quite a powerful area) then I think the planet on the ascendent will be ruling. But when you aren't using your ascendent then another planet can be ruling. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
Knowflake Posts: 7901
From: Mercury
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted December 29, 2013 08:54 PM
If your son is 11th months his Chart Ruler neptune is domicle in Pisces and Exalted in Cancer.LOL -__-.. No the chart ruler is basically ruler of the first..
There are rulers for all houses..
People have stelliums on their ascendants. it's a bad and overly complicated theory IP: Logged |
soren
Knowflake Posts: 255
From: vancouver, bc, canada
Registered: Sep 2012
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posted December 29, 2013 09:05 PM
Yeah you've been taught that a planet's energy is better expressed in one sign then another. But there is no strong proof. The sign's are this: Fixed Fire. Mutable Earth. Cardinal air. Fixed Water. And so on. And these name's such as "cardinal" and "air" are just the name's for the nature of the energy of these signs. Saturn is an anchor that keeps you orderly and responsible. (Apparently). But there is no strong evidence that people who have the cardinal earth energy as their ascendent all possess more order or responsibility than anyone else. And even if they did that doesn't mean that the saturn's energy would rule them. If anything they might want to escape saturn's energy if they are already orderly and responsible in order to achieve more balance. But no. There is no proof that a capricorn is more responsible then me, and aquarius. IP: Logged |
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