posted January 02, 2014 02:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Neptune square ASC for sure.

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But the ascendant is the outward first impression or mask.

posted January 02, 2014 02:58 AM            

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posted January 02, 2014 07:58 AM            

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Originally posted by AriesLilith:
Having a chart with most, if not all the planets on the upper side (7th to 12th houses), specially the personal planets.

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posted January 02, 2014 10:25 AM            

So you have Chiron in Aries like me? That can weaken a person's sense of self.

Then with all the water in your chart, there's the additional issue of boundaries, losing yourself in others.

posted January 02, 2014 10:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
charlie, I think you're my age?

So you have Chiron in Aries like me? That can weaken a person's sense of self.

Then with all the water in your chart, there's the additional issue of boundaries, losing yourself in others.

I struggle with the same issues.

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Yes, perhaps you are correct. I can literally wonder who I am some days, completetely out of touch with myself! It's absolutely horrible. There are days when I have told myself that living alone, being alone and just do it all alone will be much better for me because I won't soak up anything from somenoe else.

posted January 02, 2014 10:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Neptune square ASC for sure.

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Good call, Rosalind!

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posted January 02, 2014 10:38 AM            

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Originally posted by AriesLilith:
Having a chart with most, if not all the planets on the upper side (7th to 12th houses), specially the personal planets.

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That means most of your life has to involve others, but that doesn't necessarily mean you don't know or can't see yourself. The houses are areas of life, but that only lets you know what you're going to have to deal with in life, not what you are fundamentally.

posted January 02, 2014 10:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Good call, Rosalind!

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I'm still having a hard time seeing this one.

No pun intended.

Hard aspects to the ascendant would make other people tend to see you the wrong way on first impression, or maybe you aren't aware of the first impression you put across.

But if we're talking about the true self, and feeling like you don't know who you are - the fundamental sense of self is more often than not, assigned to the sun ("the self", "the ego"). Which is why I'm thinking that hard aspects involving the sun and neptune will make you not understand who YOU are and lead to identity crises or the wrong idea of who you are.

I have a hard aspect between Neptune and my ascendant. Trust me, I have a chart where there's no doubt that I know who I am. I've never doubted that, that's never been the problem. OTHER people can't seem to figure me out though, and I get misread all the time. Usually I don't try to correct the assumptions either, because if people have no real idea who and what you are and they wanna sling arrows, they usually wind up aiming in the wrong place and shooting at thin air lmao.

posted January 02, 2014 10:48 AM            

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Originally posted by IMoppedtheFloor:

I'm still having a hard time seeing this one.

No pun intended.

Hard aspects to the ascendant would make other people tend to see you the wrong way on first impression, or maybe you aren't aware of the first impression you put across.

But if we're talking about the true self, and feeling like you don't know who you are - the fundamental sense of self is more often than not, assigned to the sun ("the self", "the ego"). Which is why I'm thinking that hard aspects involving the sun and neptune will make you not understand who YOU are and lead to identity crises or the wrong idea of who you are.

I have a hard aspect between Neptune and my ascendant. Trust me, I have a chart where there's no doubt that I know who I am. I've never doubted that, that's never been the problem. OTHER people can't seem to figure me out though, and I get misread all the time. Usually I don't try to correct the assumptions either, because if people have no real idea who and what you are and they wanna sling arrows, they usually wind up aiming in the wrong place and shooting at thin air lmao.

.....Win. *smirk*

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My sun is inconjunct Neptune. Not sure how important or not this is.

posted January 02, 2014 11:02 AM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
Yes, perhaps you are correct. I can literally wonder who I am some days, completetely out of touch with myself! It's absolutely horrible. There are days when I have told myself that living alone, being alone and just do it all alone will be much better for me because I won't soak up anything from somenoe else.

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Same. I socialize a lot (11H Gemini Mars) but it kind of makes me sick because I feel like I'm misleading people into thinking I am more solid than I really am (Mars square 8H Pisces moon.) I feel amorphous.

At times, depending on transits or other circumstances, I can soak up so much from others that I feel like I have become them and start wrestling their demons. Isolation seems the only solution sometimes, especially with a Scorpio NN.

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I also have a stellium in 12H sq Neptune in my pchart if this adds to it?

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posted January 02, 2014 11:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Yes...fortunately it's not in your natal.

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posted January 02, 2014 11:41 AM            

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Originally posted by summerlite:
12H energy, Neptune blurring self, inflicted 1H and maybe also Sun.

Is your Sun well-aspected?

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It's opposite Moon, sq Pluto and conjunct a few other planets. Quincunx Neptune.

In the progressed chart it's trine Neptune.

That's it.

I have A LOT going on in my charts and it's all very confusing to me. It would be nice to know which aspect is the driving force though But I do think the main reason why I don't feel like a Cancer Sun, and never have (have said that many times on here), is because something else is blurring that energy for me.

posted January 02, 2014 11:48 AM            

Do you have Child conj deja. Child or Moon conjunct Deja seems to fracture the identity.

It is a hard climb up, Friend. I know because I have Child conj Deja.

Echo is a bit different. The person can be obnoxious with a small ego like an egomaniac with an inferiority complex.

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posted January 02, 2014 12:44 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
It's opposite Moon, sq Pluto and conjunct a few other planets. Quincunx Neptune.

In the progressed chart it's trine Neptune.

That's it.

I have A LOT going on in my charts and it's all very confusing to me. It would be nice to know which aspect is the driving force though But I do think the main reason why I don't feel like a Cancer Sun, and never have (have said that many times on here), is because something else is blurring that energy for me.

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I don't feel my sun energy much. I have something opposite my Sun.

With your Moon opposite Sun, i imagine there's a struggle trying to find balance. haha especially when it's Cancer-Capricorn combination going on.

posted January 02, 2014 03:29 PM            

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Originally posted by AriesLilith:
Having a chart with most, if not all the planets on the upper side (7th to 12th houses), specially the personal planets.

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i have one planet in 5th and everything else on the upper half. If there is anything I know, it's who I am.

Charlie,

My guess would be weak sun, maybe strong neptune. People with 7th dominant tend to depend a lot on others' opinions
On astro.com there is a chart called color oracle or something like that under free horoscope that gives you how strong each planet is.

posted January 02, 2014 04:11 PM            

but anyways, I've got Neptune square my ASC and Sun, as well. I know myself well, even though I surprise me sometimes, but it does not create confusion for me. Maybe for the others.

posted January 02, 2014 08:26 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
When I do wake up from the haze, I am left feeling depleted and very very depressed and to counterbalance it all, I will head out in world to search for someone that resembles anything like the person I think I know who I am and steal some of that energy.

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Yes or maybe you just use it to remind yourself of who you are...like having a tangible example in front of you?

Have you read Bob Marks' description of Chiron in Aries?

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Chiron in Aries: Aries is the sign of selfhood and with Chiron here the sense of self may be weakened. Melanie Reinhart in Chiron and the Healing Journey says that sometimes the person feels as if they don't exist and have to take their sense of identity from others. I mentioned this to a friend who had Chiron in Aries opposing her Ascendant, and she said that it was true for her. She frequently felt that way. At the time, she was on her third marriage (there was also one live-in relationship), as she couldn't bear to be alone. Having a partner (opposition to the Ascendant) was the way she dealt with that feeling of non-being.

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I just checked astrotheme's list of celebrities with Chiron in Aries and realized how many of those celebrities who were born in 1975 have been married and divorced twice, and they're still pretty young! Angelina Jolie, Drew Barrymore, Kate Winslet, Milla Jojovich. Rabbits are finicky and we do tend to bristle in marriage, but that group really stands out.