posted January 02, 2014 03:50 AM            

Without meaning to I got labeled a "boi" when I was 19, primarily from my tomboyishly androgynous appearance (usually including clothes, but not always) and hobbies. And after meeting a very feminine crossdressing guy I was inspired to explore that side of me and bend my gender on purpose. So it was a girly guy who inspired me to do that.

I think that had about run its course anyway but I ended up dating a "stud," that is a masculine lesbian, who wanted me to go all femme for her, so I did and found it fun. I also found it got me a lot more trust & respect from society (which also meant more money) so I also found it useful which encouraged me further. That lasted the years my relationship with the lesbian stud did. So it was very similar to when I bent my gender, it was inspired by a partner and just being experimental though this time it also proved practical.

posted January 02, 2014 03:50 AM            

When the truth is that it's not that rigid, some women just are innately NOT feminine, and some men are innately not masculine and I don't believe that if someone was born not inclined toward the stereotypical role assigned to their gender, that that's something they have to make themselves become.

posted January 02, 2014 03:52 AM            

When the truth is that it's not that rigid, some women just are innately NOT feminine, and some men are innately not masculine and I don't believe that if someone was born not inclined toward the stereotypical role assigned to their gender, that that's something they have to make themselves become.

posted January 02, 2014 04:23 AM            

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Originally posted by IMoppedtheFloor:
I don't understand this question because it operates off the assumption that a girl is supposed to be feminine and if she isn't she has to grow into it - same for men and masculinity.

When the truth is that it's not that rigid, some women just are innately NOT feminine, and some men are innately not masculine and I don't believe that if someone was born not inclined toward the stereotypical role assigned to their gender, that that's something they have to make themselves become.

I'm gonna be honest I'm a girl but I veer closer to masculinity than femininity and that's just how I am and that's not gonna change and it's not a passing phase and I don't just have to "grow out of it" and learn how to "be more ladylike".

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posted January 02, 2014 04:35 AM            

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Originally posted by stargazer21:
This topic isnt supposed to be about politics and all that jazz. Basically what I'm asking is why do some people switch from being a tomboy to being girly and vice versa. Yes I do realize there's pressure from society but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about people who grow into it naturally.

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It's political regardless whether you realize it or not. Because it operates off the assumption that femininity is the natural default state for every female, and masculinity is for every man, hence the phrase "grow into".

Now if you're talking about people who just randomly switch up from one to another that's one thing, but the question posed as it was in the OP is coming at it from the standpoint of "oh some girls are dude-like until they learn to be a lady" like them being innately dude-like is synonymous with immaturity or a flaw they wind up correcting. It's not.

Now, if you're talking from the strict standpoint of 'people who make sudden shifts from acting one way to another' that sounds like a mutable thing to me. I'm pretty fixed, and pretty cardinal, and most of my planets are in masculine signs. I came out of the womb semi-boyish, I'm semi-boyish now, and I suspect I will be even if I'm lucky enough to live to 65. I don't think that's a bad thing or something I need to be taught to change either.

posted January 02, 2014 06:08 AM            

Then at the age 20 I've met my husband. Then I've started to have a chaotic "discovering my own femininity" phase, which meant over focus on making myself pretty, taking many selfies and such.
Thought there were times I didn't like all this chaos, as I've felt like a pretty doll that is empty.

Then after this phase, I feel that I have finally came into peace and stabilized. Now I'm at peace and like my own femininity, like to sometimes dress nicely or do a bit of makeup, and I also started to like shopping lol, but I'm still not the typical female.
Also, I love animals and animal babies, but still not as much for the fellow human babies. :P

I have Aries Sun/Moon/Mercury/Venus in the 8th house, with Moon/Mercury/Venus conjunct BML and trine Sag Uranus and asteroid Lilith.
Eris is near my stellium. Sun is conjunct Kaali tightly, and conjunct Psyche widely, Mars is conjunct Sedna, AC is conjunct Aphrodite trined by Taurus Mars and Cap Neptune, and squared by Scorpio Saturn.

posted January 02, 2014 10:29 PM            

Hehe I remember in 3rd grade recess I use help the girls get away from the boys...
I remember one the leaders of the boys tried buy me off with a little trinket.. I kept the trinket and still helped the girls because it was more entertaining for me.

posted January 02, 2014 11:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
I've aways been kinda in between.
I use to play sports and video games with boys and watch sailor moon and play with dolls with some girls.

Hehe I remember in 3rd grade recess I use help the girls get away from the boys...
I remember one the leaders of the boys tried buy me off with a little trinket.. I kept the trinket and still helped the girls because it was more entertaining for me.

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posted January 02, 2014 11:51 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
theres different types of feminine stereotypes. theres receptive feminine energy and theres penetrating and leading masculine energy. then beyond that there is chemicals in your body. estrogen makes you good looking and maybe it makes you more submissive. which can seem feminine. meanwhile some guys lack estrogen and dont have pretty faces but masculine faces. i have kind of a pretty or cute face.

there are also guys who are more feeling, like those typical gay guys who have lisps. and say oh that outfit looks terrible. and then there are guys who are not very feeling and i guess more logical? so yeah there are different types of feminine and masculine. most of which you are born with i believe.

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posted January 02, 2014 11:57 PM            

Anyway, when I made that dramatic switch, there was a transiting Mars-Mercury-Saturn conjunction sandwiched between my Jupiter and Chiron in Aries (7 degrees apart.) All of this trine my progressed ASC in late Leo. I guess that made me bold enough to go for a total overhaul of my image.

Then, for feminine impulses...

Tr Jupiter was conjunct my natal Pisces moon
My progressed moon was conjunct my natal sun in Capricorn

Also...

posted January 03, 2014 12:05 AM            

My mom use to buy tea party sets and baby dolls.

Smart on her part, she helped develop my nurturing qualities at an early age.
When I was 14-15 I use to babysit my cousin when she was an infant and I'm quite a natural with children.

posted January 03, 2014 12:32 AM            

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Originally posted by IMoppedtheFloor:
This doesn't even make sense, because I've seen plenty of attractive men with masculine faces. Saying that estrogen is what controls physical beauty is like the weirdest thing I've heard all day and I typically hear some pretty weird sh*t, man.

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posted January 03, 2014 12:40 AM            

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Originally posted by soren:

Ah yeah. My bad, I meant that estrogen makes you more pretty and have a softer face. That's what I heard anyway. Yeah anyone can be good looking.

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posted January 03, 2014 01:00 AM            

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Originally posted by IMoppedtheFloor:
Estrogen is purely gender related. **** , hips that kinda thing. Men have nowhere near as much as women and we've all seen attractive men. I'm just still like 'where did you get that from?'

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"Estrogen and development of the fetus

Estrogen helps in causing physical differentiation of the fetus to either males or females as per their genetic code. While androgens like testosterone lead to masculinizing the fetus, estrogen feminizes the fetus. Prenatal androgens act on behavior and other tissues, with the possible exception of effects on bone via androgen receptors."
http://www.news-medical.net/health/What-Does-Estrogen-Do.aspx

Some guys are more feminine and look more girly, possibly because they have more estrogen in them? And guys sometimes take estrogen pills when they are changing genders. I'm probably more girly than my oldest brother. I read that the more babies a mother has, the more that the mother releases hormones to feminize the baby in the womb for some reason. I was the 3rd born and I found it hard sometimes how I wasn't that manly and I thought there was something wrong with me. But I realize there is nothing wrong with being a bit feminine.

Someone asked on yahoo answers what estrogen will do to a man, and someone replied this:

"Emotionally?
It will make him more emotional, less aggressive, and improve his memory. It will also make him feel very uncomfortable, because it provokes emotions and reactions that conflict with the male identity."

posted January 03, 2014 01:17 AM            

also this says oestrogen (isnt that estrogen?) made females have a more attractive face: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8251-hormone-levels-predict-attractiveness-of-women.html#.UsZWGfY6Kgs