posted January 02, 2014 04:55 PM            

* Great emotional strength. this placement is known as the " Inner Warrior" placement specially if the sign on cusp is a fire sign.

*Massive capacity to repress negative feelings namely anger.

*A strong Independence and sense of individuality within the domestic *environment.

* The ability " to speak out" and take charge of things regarding familial issues.

* Fierce protectiveness towards one's father, mother, siblings or homeland.

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* A usually conflicted domestic environment ( the obligation to take sides).

* Hidden anger towards one's parents, relatives or place of birth in general.

* Restlessness within the home and the constant need for the native to prove himself/his worth to his relatives.

* A strong distaste of privacy's intrusion which hints at a generally introverted native who turns everything inwardly rather than outwardly.

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The effect whether positive or negative depends on the aspects Mars makes to other planets, if afflicted or not.

posted January 02, 2014 05:44 PM            

My Father has Mars in the 4th and he seems to be much more aggressive (sometime too much so) with family, but rather passive towards everyone else.

posted January 03, 2014 12:47 AM            

I can actually relate to most of the stuff in this thread, with a few exceptions...

*My anger when it comes to my parents isn't exactly hidden, they both know that I don't respect them.

*My parents did fight a lot, but I honestly never really felt the need to pick a side, especially the older I got. My parents both acted like idiots more often than not. If you side with someone who's being an idiot, you're just telling them that it's okay to keep on being an idiot.

*I don't really feel that protective when it comes to either of my parents. Some other people, definitely, but not so much my parents.

*I don't hold grudges. At all. I'm seriously over just about anything in like ten minutes. What's sad is that's not even an exaggeration.

But I can relate to pretty much everything else. It's interesting because I never really noticed it, but what LovelyAries said about being more aggressive around family and rather passive around most other people is completely true for me.

I have Leo Mars retrograde in the Fourth House.

posted January 03, 2014 11:31 AM            

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Originally posted by earthypisces:

*My parents did fight a lot, but I honestly never really felt the need to pick a side, especially the older I got. My parents both acted like idiots more often than not. If you side with someone who's being an idiot, you're just telling them that it's okay to keep on being an idiot.

*I don't really feel that protective when it comes to either of my parents. Some other people, definitely, but not so much my parents.

But I can relate to pretty much everything else. It's interesting because I never really noticed it, but what LovelyAries said about being more aggressive around family and rather passive around most other people is completely true for me.

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Do you think you'll ever be able to mend your relationship w/ your parents?

As I stated before, my Dad has Mars in the 4th. I love him but he can just be too much at times lol. You're gonna fight w/ family at times - that's a given! But you are also supposed to be at your 'most tender' w/ them too.

posted January 03, 2014 11:37 AM            

He woke up screaming at 6am because i ate a bannana and kiwi.

posted January 03, 2014 11:37 AM            

Thank you for replying! And for being honest. It's hard to break my Dad of this pattern - he is 70 years-old lol.

posted January 03, 2014 11:38 AM            

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Originally posted by PlutoFish:
I was living in a flat with someone with Mars conjunct 4th house in Leo (Ceres exact)

He woke up screaming at 6am because i ate a bannana and kiwi.

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posted January 03, 2014 11:43 AM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:

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posted January 03, 2014 01:03 PM            

I agree with all the pros SilverFeather listed, but the cons for me are a little different. While I tend to side with my mom on the reason for my parents' divorce, the very few times she spoke "ill" of him, I didn't side with her and actually told her off for saying anything. She said I shouldn't defend him when he's not that much in my life when she is, and I told her "he's my dad at the end of the day, and neither one of you will speak ill of the other in front of me". That got the message across.

I'm pretty much forward on my issues with my family and relatives. They know when I'm annoyed/angry just by looking at me, when I do speak up when I disagree with them. I'm the black sheep in regards to that, as all my cousins will simply let their parents say whatever they want when I don't. I assert myself, but it's in agressive way. It's more like "I've got an opinion, I'm going to share and you better respect it".

On the other hand, I don't feel the need to prove myself to my family and relatives. If anything, they're more supportive of me than I am of myself.

I'm more introvert around my relatives than I am around my parents or even friends (but I have Capricorn rising). That was more pronounced in my teen years. Now that I'm 25, I don't openly joke like I do with friends and my mom, but I do make a joke or two.

I have lots of square to Mars, opposition to Sun (out of sign, though), a trine to Venus and a sextile to Jupiter.

posted January 03, 2014 01:18 PM            

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Originally posted by filleaspirant:
I told her "he's my dad at the end of the day, and neither one of you will speak ill of the other in front of me". That got the message across.

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Good for you!

posted January 03, 2014 02:30 PM            

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Originally posted by meyray:

Judging from myself I think the psychology behind the way Mars acts in the 4th is that when a person is close to you, you know what they’re capable of and how far they can affect you so you know what you’re dealing with. Also since they’re close you don’t expect them to dare hurt you, and if they ever do the anger Mars feels is paramount.

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From my experience w/ Mars in the 4th, they are MORE likely to do the hurting than receive it - at least in adulthood. This isn't solely based on my Dad BTW.

I believe that oftentimes, they push things too far just because you're family & they assume you will take it?? No - I will not sit there and take your verbal abuse just because we're related! I just don't understand that mindset.

Why would you treat a stranger kinder than your loved one??

posted January 03, 2014 04:05 PM            

Inner warrior: yes. I’m extremely self-reliant, but I think this has to do with my upbringing. We had no money, no father, and mom was a bit absent…with work and her personal life. The first 8 years of my life saw 10 different residences. And we lived in some really bad parts of town. In my 20s I was on the move a lot too.

My parents divorced when I was a year old and my father was essentially a non-player in my life. Later in my 20s he decided we should get to know each other. Eventually I decided I really just couldn’t consider him a dad. He was not much more than a sperm donor and a rather pitiful human to boot. So I let him know that.

My mom and I have had massive blow ups. She’s Taurus with 5 fire placements. There have been years where I wouldn’t even talk to her. At this point, I accept that she is who she is…and that’s my mom...and I love her fiercely.

Repress negative feelings: not really, my fire Mars tends to blow up right away without much repression. People will almost always know my mood…immediately…from ice, to warmth, to fire. Mars square Pluto too. Generally though, my outlook is just to have fun…activity, warmth, and laughs. But mutable fire can turn on a dime, and then just as quickly turn back.

I’m extremely independent, jealous of my privacy and personal space. I can be downright secretive at times, and for no real reason. It’s not like I’m doing anything bad, I just like keeping what I’m thinking and doing to myself, as if somehow I’ll jinx it otherwise.

I don’t know that I’m more aggressive with family and close friends, but for good and bad, I’m definitely more the real me with them (isn't everyone like that?) and one part of the real me is a fire Mars dominant personality. While I’m generally mild mannered with coworkers and strangers, I can still be rather assertive. Where I will get aggressive with strangers is if I feel they’ve transgressed my private space or if they’ve insulted someone I’m with. This isn’t often, but spectacular when it happens.

posted January 03, 2014 05:43 PM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:

I believe that oftentimes, they push things too far just because you're family & they assume you will take it?? No - I will not sit there and take your verbal abuse just because we're related! I just don't understand that mindset.
Why would you treat a stranger kinder than your loved one??

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That’s because with our loved ones, the “inner warrior” comes out. It depends upon how we express it.

posted January 03, 2014 08:23 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
That’s because with our loved ones, the “inner warrior” comes out. It depends upon how we express it.

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Exactly.

There's nothing wrong w/ being heavily involved w/ your family, being a warrior for them. But there is no need to pick fights w/ loved ones or take out your anger on them for things that aren't even their fault. Calmly letting me know what's bothering you is what I prefer. Vent away!!

posted January 03, 2014 08:26 PM            

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Originally posted by mcmlxix:

I’m extremely independent, jealous of my privacy and personal space. I can be downright secretive at times, and for no real reason. It’s not like I’m doing anything bad, I just like keeping what I’m thinking and doing to myself, as if somehow I’ll jinx it otherwise.

To me, a home is not a home unless it’s a QUIET refuge. I don’t like the TV or radio on. I love to have people over…for dinner, drinks, games, etc…it’s enjoyable. But when they leave, the silence is bliss. After leaving home, I’ve only had one roommate. It didn’t work out well.

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That 1st paragraph sounds a lot like my Dad. LOL.

posted January 28, 2021 04:18 AM            

Well ever since I was young I was emotionally and mentally abused by my relatives and when I defended myself everyone treated me like I was the monster so yes the anger towards family part is definitely true but usually the family greatly contributes to this volatile anger

On the brighter side, I get angry if someone tries to hurt my family, oh lord I really lose it when that happens and I fiercely protect and defend them, also fight for them (yes physically)

Also if I consider someone my family even if we are not related I will take them under my wing (not literally lol) and I will always protect them

I remember most of the fights I fight are usually because I’m protecting someone I care about more than protecting myself I’m kind off passive about that