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posted January 02, 2014 10:48 PM            

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How should I interpret this?

An acquaintance of mine has Mercury and Sun both unaspected in 7th. Mercury is chart ruler

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posted January 03, 2014 12:27 AM            

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I take it you are considering the ascendant lord as the chart ruler? ya?

The chart ruler of a natal chart may not be the lord of the ascendant.

I know I am not answering your question,but I wanted to highlight this fact.

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posted January 03, 2014 11:19 AM            

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@Jessica: When is the chart ruler not the lord of the ASC?

@unknown: If Mercury and the sun are conjunct, how is either unaspected? The conjunction is an aspect.

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posted January 03, 2014 11:37 AM            

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^ If your ASC is Aries, then yes, Mars is the chart ruler.

I'm waiting to hear what Jessica says about chart rulers, though; she's more familiar with Vedic astrology and might give us more to consider.

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posted January 03, 2014 01:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
@Jessica: When is the chart ruler not the lord of the ASC?

@unknown: If Mercury and the sun are conjunct, how is either unaspected? The conjunction is an aspect.

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yes, that's an aspect. But they don't make aspect with anything else. And i am stuck at interpreting this because many people have sun conjunct mercury and i tend to not have a deep interpretation of this aspect.

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posted January 03, 2014 01:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
I take it you are considering the ascendant lord as the chart ruler? ya?

The chart ruler of a natal chart may not be the lord of the ascendant.

I know I am not answering your question,but I wanted to highlight this fact.

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Yes, i consider lord of ASC as chart ruler.

I dont know much about vedic

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posted January 03, 2014 01:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
^ If your ASC is Aries, then yes, Mars is the chart ruler.

I'm waiting to hear what Jessica says about chart rulers, though; she's more familiar with Vedic astrology and might give us more to consider.

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It's also true for western astrology.

The Lord of the Ascendant,determined by the ascending degree is the Lord of the Horoscope, the horoscope referring to the ascendant of the person. Where it all begins. The Ascendant is that point where the Earth's horizon meets the Ecliptic.This planet ( the dispositor of the ascendant) may be very powerful (or not depending on its placement) OR is very powerful but by no means the MOST POWERFUL of a natal chart.The house structure of the WHOLE CHART is derived FROM the ascendant, thus making the Lord of the Ascendant as a very important planet, because the latter ( The Ascendant) is the point of manifestation, the point we show to the outer world. It is much more than a 'mask' because this 'mask' is likely to endergo physical maturation with time.
That being said, to determine the level of rulership or how high up on the hierarchy is a planet in rulership of an entire natal chart there are many factors to consider. I think it is erroneous to say that the dispositor of the ascendant sign is the chart ruler of an entire natal chart.

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posted January 03, 2014 02:38 PM            

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It makes sense to determine the chart ruler that way, but I've never come across that approach before. Sounds very complicated and subject to individual opinions?

I'm Leo rising; I figure the sun would have an advantage in vying for "chart ruler" because of its innate strength. My sun is ranked third in dominance by astro.com's Pullen ranking system....though I suppose every astrologer uses his or her own criteria for deciding dominance.

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posted January 03, 2014 02:56 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
yes, that's an aspect. But they don't make aspect with anything else. And i am stuck at interpreting this because many people have sun conjunct mercury and i tend to not have a deep interpretation of this aspect.

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sun conjunct mercury would make a person be a sharp confident speaker depending on the sign it is in.

I get what you are asking but I don't quite know how to put it across to you. Maybe look at planet dispositer chart. If his Sun/Mercury is isolated from the rest (meaning there's no Leo/Gemini/Virgo in his other placements), it would mean his Mercury affects his Sun heavily or vice versa.

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posted January 04, 2014 12:37 AM            

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She has saturn as sole dispositor. Mercury conjunct Sun in Aries and they are the only fire placements

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posted January 04, 2014 01:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
It makes sense to determine the chart ruler that way, but I've never come across that approach before. Sounds very complicated and subject to individual opinions?

I'm Leo rising; I figure the sun would have an advantage in vying for "chart ruler" because of its innate strength. My sun is ranked third in dominance by astro.com's Pullen ranking system....though I suppose every astrologer uses his or her own criteria for deciding dominance.

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yes, indeed the sun would occupy a very important place for the terrestrial and outer planets orbit the sun. Say if the Sun is in domicile or is in the exaltation degree of another planet and the latter is in the exaltation degree of the Sun whereby there is powerful mutual reception between the Sun and the other planet.

Yea..you are right, it may sound too complicated

However, I just wanted to point it out, if the energy of the Ascendant Lord is not really present in your life,or is omnipresent or is not felt at all then may be you got to start looking to the other planets,to their placement,aspects,declination etc.Also to consider that some planets come to maturation at a certain age therefore their energy is likely to be felt more.

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posted January 06, 2014 03:17 AM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
She has saturn as sole dispositor. Mercury conjunct Sun in Aries and they are the only fire placements

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I would take Saturn to be more important than her chart ruler. Mercury conj Sun in Aries could make her a rash/reckless speaker.

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posted January 08, 2014 04:01 AM            

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As much as the rising signs ruler is a quintessential ruler of the chart, so is the planet with most signs, aspects, and houses.

I have:
Pisces - Sun - Scorpio Decan
Scorpio - Moon - Scorpio Decan (Unaspected)
Cancer - Rising - Scorpio Decan
Pisces - Mercury
Scorpio - Pluto
Cancer - Mars - 12th house
Pisces - Midheaven
Pisces - Lilith (Dark Moon)
Pisces - Ceres
Cancer - Juno - 12th house
Pisces - Fortuna

So obviously Pisces is dominant sign

I have 8 Neptune aspects:

Uranus Conjunct Neptune
Neptune Oppose AS
Mars Oppose Neptune
Venus Square Neptune
Sun Sextile Neptune
Mercury Sextile Neptune
Neptune Sextile Pluto
Neptune Sextile MC

So obviously Neptune is dominant planet

And I have:
Mars in Cancer - 12th house
Juno in Cancer - 12th house

for even more Piscean & Neptune dominance.

So cognitively Moon and Neptune are my chart rulers and are my dominant planets. Which one is more dominant of the two? Look at the insane amount of Neptune and Pisces.

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posted January 08, 2014 07:39 AM            

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@Jessica- I'm a little confused with your thought on the chart ruler concept. Can you clarify for me? So my ASC ruler is the moon (12th house) which is unaspected. I always thought it was my chart ruler. However, on astro.com my most dominant planet is neptune, then mercury. The moon is ranked 6th in strength on my chart. So does that mean my chart ruler is not the moon? I'm confused. Thanks for your insight.

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posted January 09, 2014 12:11 AM            

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@Jessica- I'm a little confused with your thought on the chart ruler concept. Can you clarify for me? So my ASC ruler is the moon (12th house) which is unaspected. I always thought it was my chart ruler. However, on astro.com my most dominant planet is neptune, then mercury. The moon is ranked 6th in strength on my chart. So does that mean my chart ruler is not the moon? I'm confused. Thanks for your insight.

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I'd say ( from what I gleaned from your post) that Moon is the ascendant lord, therefore has a honorary status in your chart but not a honorary position. Contrary to Neptune and Mercury which are both very well placed. A natal chart can have more than one 'chart ruler' that shares the seat of power, a chart ruler is one that calls the shots, you can't call the shots if you are not in a position of power. That's basically what I was trying to convey.

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posted January 09, 2014 07:39 AM            

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^ ok, that makes sense. So I guess neptune and/or mercury would be my chart ruler then?

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