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Topic: Affection felt only one way
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Canadiangirl
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From: Kingston, On, Canada
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posted January 06, 2014 12:45 PM
  
The person I'm intrigued by has his venus near my MC, his sun sextile my NN (0 degrees), venus trine my chiron (2 degrees) N node on my vertex BUT both our venus are unaspected. My jupiter sextiles his moon and ascendant though. He seems to have so many aspects to me but mine don't really hit his. We have quite a few chiron connections too.What kind of rels is this? Friend/teacher and student,lovers? The additional table gives the chiron/venus but the main chart doesnt. Just looked at his natal chart and his venus is unaspected but my has pluto sextile venus and venus sextile neptune. IP: Logged |
Canadiangirl
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posted January 06, 2014 05:22 PM
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Doux Rêve
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posted January 07, 2014 05:07 AM
I don't like being the bearer of bad news, but if Venus is unaspected, it's usually not a good sign, because it points to a lack of "connection" when it comes to feelings / affection, OR a lack of *expression* of feelings; for one reason or another. It doesn't necessarily mean the two people don't like each other, but it may be difficult to be affectionate with one another or one person may act cold or indifferent, which can undermine the relationship. Hmm this sounds like Venus/Saturn *shrug*
You may not feel their feelings for you, because the way the express their affectionate / loving side is not in sync with your chart, so you may feel un-appreciated by them or like you don't matter.Chiron is about wounding / healing past wounds - usually it's quite painful but it does carry some sort of wisdom within it, a sort of lesson; even if there's no "healing" per se, coming from the other person. If you're attracted to that person, ask yourself why - you can probably discover something about yourself via this person and how they treat you / make you feel. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted January 07, 2014 05:18 AM
While I usually would agree with Doux here, about the unaspected Venus, I have seen some cases where an unaspected Vnus was present and yet the people were very affectionate with each other.In these cases, however, thre were usually two things at play: 1. Venus did not rule or was placed in "romance or attraction-houses" (5th and 8th especially; 7th seems to be more about natural partnership,w hich you can actually feel wtihout getting all touchy-feeling with each other - the 5th house however seems to be a huge factor in how affectionate people will be).
2. There were strong aspects to the 5th house ruler or even a significant planet in 5th house of the person with the unaspected Venus.
I still would prefer Venus to be aspected as well though.
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Doux Rêve
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posted January 07, 2014 05:21 AM
^ Yep, thanks for adding that, Ceri.  IP: Logged |
Jessica2407
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posted January 07, 2014 06:32 AM
There could also be mutual reception between their venus, OR the triplicity ruler of the sign in which Venus resides OR the dispositor of the sign in which venus resides is in close aspect with the other's moon/sun/asc. More so enhanced if they are friendly with venus.IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted January 07, 2014 06:41 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Jessica2407:
There could also be mutual reception between their venus, OR the triplicity ruler of the sign in which Venus resides OR the dispositor of the sign in which venus resides is in close aspect with the other's moon/sun/asc. More so enhanced if they are friendly with venus.
I am very aware of the dispositor and mr but somehow never checked the triplicity ruler. But that is a good idea.
These dignities are definitely very important.
It also seems to explain why some squares are easier to handle than others, if they come with some positive dignities. BTW what is your take on the participating triplicity ruler, like Mars for Capricorn?
Also, what dignity table do you use?
I have always used Ptolemey, without questioning it, but saw there are more.
actually to me Morin makes a lot of astrological sense (as it emphasizes the planetary rulers of the sign, belonging to an element). http://altairastrology.wordpress.com/2008/04/18/a-closer-look-at-triplicity/ IP: Logged |
Jessica2407
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posted January 07, 2014 12:46 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I am very aware of the dispositor and mr but somehow never checked the triplicity ruler. But that is a good idea.
These dignities are definitely very important.
It also seems to explain why some squares are easier to handle than others, if they come with some positive dignities.BTW what is your take on the participating triplicity ruler, like Mars for Capricorn?
Also, what dignity table do you use?
I have always used Ptolemey, without questioning it, but saw there are more.
actually to me Morin makes a lot of astrological sense (as it emphasizes the planetary rulers of the sign, belonging to an element). http://altairastrology.wordpress.com/2008/04/18/a-closer-look-at-triplicity/
Yes there are more, and yes that's why some people will claim that they are more 'in harmony' with their squares, and that's also why some people will claim they feel wider orbs while others may tell you that they don't feel the aspects between planets at a much tighter orbs. I know about Morin, I also agree to almost everything that I have read (so far) because the traditional rulers of the sign have an enormous significance in their manifestation in a natal chart which I believe was a bit lost in modern astrology. Now what about the placement of Mars in capricorn. I am going to give you my take and my experience,namely from my own personal natal chart and other natal charts that I have analyzed and of whom I know the people personally. Almost everyone that has a significance in my life has a prominent Jupiter in their charts and Capricorn placements and one capricorn placement that's pretty constant is Mars in Capricorn.I'm so used to the energy that Mars in capricorn generates. For some it may be frustrating to deal with a mars in capricorn because there is so much underneath,so much that's hidden below the surface but I believe it's a very powerful placement in itself but the question is : How powerful? is it a power that will benefit the person OR is it a power that the person can use to harm others? Either way it's a power to reckon with. But I think and it's my personal opinion,it can be both. In Vedic, when a planet is in exaltation it's not a given that this planet has to bestow only good to the native, it can turn the person into a powerful mafia boss for instance,depending on its placements. I can definitely see that too in traditional astrology. Mars is exalted in Capricorn at 28 degrees, has term dignity between 20- 25 degrees,and rules the 2nd decan,so technically Mars is an important host of capricorn. If we were to follow the rules to the letter, Mars is the guest of honour at 28 degrees but is a VIP between 20 degrees to 25 degrees, note that saturn retains its term dignity when Mars get exalted at 28 degrees. My cappy asc is 28 degrees Capricorn,( 28 degrees 12 minutes to be exact)the exaltation degree of Mars,I've always connected smh with the descriptions of Mars on the ascendant but couldn't see it in my chart at that point in time,which explains why I feel my merc/mars aspect, although it is a minor aspect (mercury which is placed in Leo, in triplicity
of the sun and also recognized by mars as friendly),which is also why I feel my mars/pluto aspect,also why I feel my moon quintile mars so strongly. I have an oriental cancer moon, sign in which Mars is the triplicity ruler, moon is also in term dignity of mars all of which makes the quintile aspect more significant.I definitely feel all my mars aspects and I know people see lots of mars energy in me that may not be so apparent when they meet me for the first time, that a cursory analysis of my natal chart might go unnoticed. Another person I know has her Mars in capricorn at 26 degrees and is a capricorn Sun. She has achieved a high status with sheer determination and a strong undeterred faith in her own capabilities. IP: Logged |
Canadiangirl
Knowflake Posts: 458
From: Kingston, On, Canada
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posted January 08, 2014 12:45 AM
Woah, didn't realize people answered this question. Thanks for responding. Both of the venus are unaspected which he has in his natal chart. His moon, Jupiter and Saturn are in my fifth house. His venus falls in my 11th house close to my MC with his mars. My venus is in his tenth house.IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted January 09, 2014 09:21 AM
Jessica,"because the traditional rulers of the sign have an enormous significance in their manifestation in a natal chart which I believe was a bit lost in modern astrology."
I completely agree with that. "Now what about the placement of Mars in capricorn."
actually the question was if you are using participating triplicity rulers, which would be Mars for the sign of Capricorn. Thank you for the explanation of how you feel your Mars-aspects, too.
Makes much sense to me. IP: Logged | |
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