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Topic: Logic & Reincarnation
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socialgraffiti
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From: uranus
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted January 08, 2014 10:14 PM
  
So I was talking to a friend about existentialism today- how it's important to make life meaningful, and I told him that I believed in reincarnation and asked him what he thought about it.
He said he didn't believe in it because the 'logistics' didn't match up and asked: What is a soul? Why the human population is growing if souls were being reincarnated?& I countered that it was from living organisms (ie like in hinduism), and he asked what level of organisms- germs, grass? Anyway, this gets me wondering, your opinion on reincarnation? Or do you prefer an existential worldview? Placements please 
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IMoppedtheFloor
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From: USA
Registered: Dec 2013
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posted January 08, 2014 10:59 PM
I believe in it, yeah. Neptune is spirituality and it aspects both luminaries.Having said that I think you can still be spiritual and not believe in reincarnation, and even be an atheist I think it's a bit more complicated than people make it out to be. IP: Logged |
12muddy
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posted January 08, 2014 11:05 PM
Yeah, I do believe in reincarnation. Neptune and 12th house planets. Most of my "beliefs" are based on Buddhism teachings. But I prefer not to think about it too much - Saturn dominant. IP: Logged |
socialgraffiti
Knowflake Posts: 120
From: uranus
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted January 09, 2014 12:08 AM
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Originally posted by 12muddy:
Yeah, I do believe in reincarnation. Neptune and 12th house planets. Most of my "beliefs" are based on Buddhism teachings. But I prefer not to think about it too much - Saturn dominant.
My friend who has a stellium in capricorn with neptune, and squared by saturn is the exact same way. IP: Logged |
12muddy
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posted January 09, 2014 12:28 AM
^ Yeah, coz at this point I'm still gathering information, there are too much info, too many beliefs and teachings from too many people. So I feel that if I think too much and too hard, trying to find answers, I'd probably go nuts.Maybe it's a Saturn thing (wanting results n answers". But the more I learn, the more I feel that reincarnation is a topic to ponder and explore, so yeah probably in the future I'll grow more and more comfortable thinking about it. IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted January 09, 2014 12:52 AM
Population growing? Hmmm, maybe it the twin flames splitting, lol.....you know they learn all they can as one, then in the process of continued growth, they split??  That would double the physical bodies without changing the original amount of souls!
I don't have a clue, I have not looked at the numbers to give a more educated answer, sorry! I do think we don't know enough to say we have the answers on why things happen the way they do, it's all speculation and anyone who says they have the answer is showing their own lacking!
True insight is realizing you don't have enough information to make an accurate informed decision.
Sometimes accepting we don't know is the best answer!
People get caught up in an answer and forget the most important part of our life is the journey, not the destination! IP: Logged |
Xiiro
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From: San Diego CA, USA
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posted January 09, 2014 12:56 AM
Does your friend believe we are the only beings like us in the entire universe?If the universe is populated with opportunities for reincarnation, then the Law of Conservation of Energy still applies. The population of humans on the earth is not even on the radar compared to the size of the universe. I am not totally sold on the whole reincarnation thing, but anyone who says it's not possible has a pretty narrow view of their world. IP: Logged |
socialgraffiti
Knowflake Posts: 120
From: uranus
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted January 09, 2014 01:03 AM
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Originally posted by Xiiro:
Does your friend believe we are the only beings like us in the entire universe?If the universe is populated with opportunities for reincarnation, then the Law of Conservation of Energy still applies. The population of humans on the earth is not even on the radar compared to the size of the universe. I am not totally sold on the whole reincarnation thing, but anyone who says it's not possible has a pretty narrow view of their world.
It's not my friend thinks that humans are special- he's fairly cynical about humankind actually, but he's just focused on tangible evidence- he doesn't want to be reliant on intuition. More focused on numbers and order, and matching things up. I do not have his birth data but I sense a lot of Virgo. But I'd agree with you on how it is possible even with population growth, since there's an entire universe out there that we are a mere fraction of. IP: Logged |
Nine
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From: The Cusp of Love
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posted January 09, 2014 01:12 AM
I'm sold. It's easily explained through the law of correspondence. As for the logistics of it, perhaps it's a case of new souls blending with old souls. My understanding is that Reincarnation isn't automatic process every life goes through. It is a process endured by souls which didn't fulfill their destinies. Eg. Pass a class-101 and you move on to the next, 102. Fail, you stay back and get to meet all the new kids taking it for the first time. IP: Logged |
socialgraffiti
Knowflake Posts: 120
From: uranus
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted January 09, 2014 01:15 AM
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Originally posted by 12muddy:
^ Yeah, coz at this point I'm still gathering information, there are too much info, too many beliefs and teachings from too many people. So I feel that if I think too much and too hard, trying to find answers, I'd probably go nuts.Maybe it's a Saturn thing (wanting results n answers". But the more I learn, the more I feel that reincarnation is a topic to ponder and explore, so yeah probably in the future I'll grow more and more comfortable thinking about it.
Yeah, I have Saturn as my 3rd dominant planet and I can definitely see where you're coming from. I don't have any personal or intuitive preference for any religion, and I simply lack the knowledge/experience to choose one that fits for me. But for philosophy, the afterlife, and the like, I'd like to know more, since I know so little, so it's a topic I like reading/talking/thinking about.
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Kerosene
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posted January 09, 2014 01:53 AM
Everything organic is recycled and used to feed life and grew new life blah blah blah. I kinda believe the same concept for spirituality. When I first heard the concept of reincarnation i was soldIP: Logged |
AriesLilith
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posted January 09, 2014 06:39 AM
I'm a believer of reincarnation and metaphysical things. I can remain skeptic about certain things, and I might not be a 100% believer yet, but I believe in what I believe coz first, astrology, something that is not yet scientifically proved, works with great accuracy for me. And then I've heard of experiences, including from people I know in the real life, that pretty much proves the existence of souls and reincarnation.Thing is, we can't simply convince anyone to believe in something that is not yet scientifically proved, unless we experience it first hand. So I am not a 100% believer since I have not yet experienced things first hand. The only thing I've experienced is having dreams in which the symbols predicted certain events in the future. Including lotto numbers once which I didn't buy lol.  But as Xiiro said, the universe is so big that souls might come from different places. Also, how do we know if new sould doesn't appear every now and then?
There are many things that we just don't know, and it would be too limiting, to limit ourselves only to things that are scientifically proved (even science is flawed and limited to our current technological advancement). IP: Logged |
4lifephrases
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From: London, United Kingdom
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posted January 09, 2014 09:28 AM
I believe in reincarnation. Full stop. I do not need to justify it by reason or logic. A) I myself know my past life for sure as I have sensed my death. B) I have met people who have reminded it when I have lost sight of it. C) I have met people who I can tell I have met in past life.
It does sounds spooky or crazy but I am as much rational person as anyone but I can not ignore my experience. There are enough experiences in my life which says there is reincarnation. Believing is Seeing and not Seeing is Believing. We all are growing all the time and if we take evolution theory we are always growing
even from small Amoeba to Homosapiens,
so I do not see why we as a world / universe wouldn't grow. We all know if we are not growing than we are declining. It is good thing that we as souls have different experiences in life and it also explains why there is so much variation in financial status, colour, gender,social circumstances,etc.After all life is nothing but series of experience. We choose our experiences before we are born. BTW some people do not want to believe in certain things and that is because it is too scary or doesn't make sense. I wouldn't want to believe in bad ghosts and stuff simply because it is too scary for me and I am not keen on communicating with spirits. I think we all have limitation that even though we know it can be/ it might be true, but we do not necessarily want to agree with it. Neptune in 1st. IP: Logged |
Lunae
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posted January 09, 2014 10:35 AM
The idea of reincarnation, karma, past lives and related things really fascinate me. Even if it's not proven, who's to say that it is entirely false just because there is no concrete evidence of it? I remember that part in The Lost Symbol when the female lead conducted an experiment where a soul could be weighed. If it were true, that would be really awesome haha. Pisces moon in the 9th conj MC, Capricorn neptune in the 7th. IP: Logged |
unforgiven_soul
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From: Greece
Registered: Feb 2013
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posted January 09, 2014 12:00 PM
I strongly believe in karma, reincarnation and that nothing is random. I have a Pisces Ascendant, Moon,Jupiter and Pluto in Scorpio 8th house and Mercury & Venus in Aquarius 12th house...IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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From: Mercury
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted January 09, 2014 12:14 PM
I guess in our past lives we also believed in reincarnation LoLIP: Logged |
I'm so cappy
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From: Saturn (summer house on Chiron)
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted January 09, 2014 05:40 PM
I believe in reincarnation. I also believe there are more inhabited planets and souls can travel around the universe. Besides, who knows how many of them live in higher dimensions.Sun conjunct Neptune in Capricorn. ------------------
I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy. IP: Logged |
Nine
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From: The Cusp of Love
Registered: May 2009
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posted January 09, 2014 06:00 PM
Neptune opposite Sun, conjunct Moon.Are we not reincarnated every morning? Does sleep need a logical explanation? IP: Logged |
socialgraffiti
Knowflake Posts: 120
From: uranus
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted January 10, 2014 03:53 AM
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
I believe in reincarnation. I also believe there are more inhabited planets and souls can travel around the universe. Besides, who knows how many of them live in higher dimensions.Sun conjunct Neptune in Capricorn.
That sounds like a very interesting combo of realism + spiritualism. IP: Logged |
socialgraffiti
Knowflake Posts: 120
From: uranus
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted January 10, 2014 04:08 AM
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Originally posted by 4lifephrases:
BTW some people do not want to believe in certain things and that is because it is too scary or doesn't make sense. I wouldn't want to believe in bad ghosts and stuff simply because it is too scary for me and I am not keen on communicating with spirits. I think we all have limitation that even though we know it can be/ it might be true, but we do not necessarily want to agree with it. Neptune in 1st.
^I really relate to that.
Yes, I think we're all aware that what's tangible on this earth isn't all that's there, that can't necessarily be perceived by logic or explained by rules. And I mean, depending on what your comfort level with it is, based on your chart and the way you utilize that energy, there are limitations every person has with this sense that we are only a fraction of something infinitely larger.
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meyray
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posted January 10, 2014 04:22 AM
Reading all these response I’m going to be the black sheep, haha.I personally don’t believe in past lives and reincarnation. It’s very hard for me to look at things from a spiritual point of view but I wouldn’t say I’m absolutely pragmatic either. I don’t believe in higher power or at least the human conception that ”God” is something conscious or self-aware. I definitely think there is some kind of “process” and “order” in the universe that we don’t quite understand. My main problem is that spirituality is extremely human centered – everything is about our life and our soul. I don’t really think human life is that special or important compared to what the universe may hold. I used to be much more nihilistic and think that the universe has no order (I don’t dare say “purpose” because that again is a human concept) and life is just an accident. Now I’m much more flexible though and I’m open to new ideas. I do think that humans can’t function without “purpose” and that’s why they keep searching for it, it’s just the way our mind works. I really don’t know how things are beyond our way of comprehension. Neptune in the 9th
6th House stellium
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crabbypatty
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posted January 10, 2014 07:22 AM
I wholeheartedly believe in reincarnation and the case of Shanti Devi (google it, kids) convinced me fully.Scorpio sun
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Mercury in Libra
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