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Topic: Midpoints in Synastry = Unrequited Love?
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Lavender CrystalSwan
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posted January 09, 2014 07:58 AM
 
I was just thinking, would midpoint aspects in synastry possibly point to unrequited love if its only one person's "attraction midpoints" (Venus/Mars, Venus/Pluto, etc) activated more than the other person's midpoints? Or would they be felt by both parties?Lets say for instance if person A has her Venus/Pluto mp conjunct B's Pluto, would only she then feel "Venus/Pluto-y" about him? Or would he feel "Venus/Pluto-y" about her too? Lol I hope I'm not confusing anyone with this. What about her Venus/Asc mp on his Moon and Mars? Would he then admire her for her aesthetic appearance/beauty or would she be the one feeling attraction because its HER midpoint being touched afterall? Any thoughts?
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starmoon
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posted January 09, 2014 08:40 AM
just my personal opinion, but my experience has shown that the person with the midpoint is the one left longing the most. for example, my most recent relationship had my sun/moon and venus/mars and venus/pluto conjunct my partner's midpoints (but not rather important ones), and it was definitely me that is left unrequited and feeling the loss. perhaps if they also have sun/moon contacts it would be reciprocal.
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Ceridwen
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posted January 09, 2014 09:15 AM
usually I`d say yes, the midpoint person is getting "hit" the most.
However, it might depend on the triggering planets. If Venus or Moon are the ones triggering a midpoint, they still seem to be rather receptive.However I think this will be mostly the case if there is simultaneously a strong tight aspect (including semisquare and sesisquare) to the other one`s chart. IP: Logged |
Lavender CrystalSwan
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posted January 09, 2014 04:07 PM
Makes sense, thank you guys.  Ceri, What other aspects do you use for midpoints?
You think it could work with antiscons and quindeciles too? IP: Logged |
vickymadness
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posted January 09, 2014 06:47 PM
I also have a question about this: would a 3 orbs conjunction between a planet and a midpoint be acceptable?IP: Logged |
Lavender CrystalSwan
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posted January 09, 2014 08:35 PM
Vickymadness,I'd count it, but of course, its effect would be slightly weaker than normal.
Midpoints are points afterall, so you want the orb to be as near-exact as possible in order to fully feel the energies of the aspect. IP: Logged |
summerlite
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posted January 09, 2014 09:00 PM
I think it's the midpoint person feeling it. Another way of using it is through finding your asteroids that hit your midpoints so if people's planets hit that midpoint, it kind of embodies that message. But I use it at 1 orb since it's for asteroids. IP: Logged |
Lavender CrystalSwan
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posted January 09, 2014 11:53 PM
What if its someone's attraction object, such as Venus, Juno, or Aphrodite touching the other's midpoint?Like her Juno conjunct his Sun/Venus mp? Wouldn't it make sense that she see him as her perfect marriage partner more so than he does?
Or would it be him that feels the Juno-vibe instead? Sorry, still trying to figure out how midpoints work exactly IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted January 10, 2014 01:33 AM
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Originally posted by vickymadness:
I also have a question about this: would a 3 orbs conjunction between a planet and a midpoint be acceptable?
I I wouldn´t count 3 degree midpoints.
Personally I only consider them up to 2° max, and like them to be under 1°30 or even 1°00. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted January 10, 2014 01:36 AM
He would feel Sun/Venus.However I have been thinking about Moon/Venus and Sun/Mars-midpoints recently. Since both are symbols of pure masculinity and feminity.
wouldn´t the Moon/Venus-mp for example for a woman be the "summary" of her feminity, and if a man Venus conjuncts it, wouldn`t the way she put herself out there appeal to him? IP: Logged |
Lavender CrystalSwan
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posted January 10, 2014 02:03 AM
Ceri, Yes I see what you mean.
I kind of see it that way too.
It'd make sense that a man will likely be attracted if his Venus, or even a romance-house ruler touches a woman's Moon/Venus mp. And vise versa for a woman's Mars or romance-house ruler touching a man's Sun/Mars. IP: Logged |
summerlite
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posted January 10, 2014 02:59 AM
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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
What if its someone's attraction object, such as Venus, Juno, or Aphrodite touching the other's midpoint?Like her Juno conjunct his Sun/Venus mp? Wouldn't it make sense that she see him as her perfect marriage partner more so than he does?
Or would it be him that feels the Juno-vibe instead? Sorry, still trying to figure out how midpoints work exactly
Juno in a woman's chart actually refers to the wife she'll become after commitment, rather than her marriage partner. So the wife she would want to become fits his Sun/Venus-y (blend of ego and beauty) requirements. I'll usually only look at Sun-Moon mp, Venus-Mars mp, Venus-Pluto mp. I suppose the rest works too but it's too much work. lol.
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Lavender CrystalSwan
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posted January 10, 2014 03:26 AM
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Originally posted by summerlite:
Juno in a woman's chart actually refers to the wife she'll become after commitment, rather than her marriage partner.So the wife she would want to become fits his Sun/Venus-y (blend of ego and beauty) requirements. I'll usually only look at Sun-Moon mp, Venus-Mars mp, Venus-Pluto mp. I suppose the rest works too but it's too much work. lol.
Ok ty!
And if its the man's Juno then he'll see her basic persona/appearance/style of love as fitting for a marriage partner right? Yeah lol I used to only look at the Sun/Moon and Venus/Mars mps too but after reading a few articles I've become really fascinated by the other mps as well! The angle/point mps deliver the most interest results in my personal experience.
Oh and you don't need to calculate them by hand, astro.com can make them for you.
Just select "Keller style (w. midpoints)" in the Chart drawing style menu and then click on the PDF version of the chart.
Then scroll down to where it says Midpoints in Zodiacal Order and there you have it. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted January 10, 2014 04:24 AM
I prefer Ebertin.Keller has the soft aspects to midpoints, and honestly, in my observation soft aspects to midpoints do not effect anything at all. IP: Logged |
summerlite
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posted January 10, 2014 04:33 AM
yeah i used to calculate manually.
You can also go to astro.com and use the midpoint chart under "Pullen/ Astrolog".
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
He would feel Sun/Venus.However I have been thinking about Moon/Venus and Sun/Mars-midpoints recently. Since both are symbols of pure masculinity and feminity.
wouldn´t the Moon/Venus-mp for example for a woman be the "summary" of her feminity, and if a man Venus conjuncts it, wouldn`t the way she put herself out there appeal to him?
I wonder if Venus-Moon mp in a guy's chart refers to the "dream girl" he wants?
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Ceridwen
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posted January 10, 2014 07:10 AM
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Originally posted by summerlite:
yeah i used to calculate manually.
You can also go to astro.com and use the midpoint chart under "Pullen/ Astrolog".
I wonder if Venus-Moon mp in a guy's chart refers to the "dream girl" he wants?
i was wondering the same. Though I still think the midpoint person - in general- will be the most affected. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted January 10, 2014 07:15 AM
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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Makes sense, thank you guys. Ceri, What other aspects do you use for midpoints?
You think it could work with antiscons and quindeciles too?
Conjunction and opposition: direct midpoints
square: indirect midpoints Noel Tyl and his followers use the quindecile with midpoints as well. To be honest I have no idea if antiscions work with midpoints. Maybe they do. But for now I keep to the conjunctions, oppositions and squares, they cover the most important (or rather the most noteable) ones anyway. IP: Logged |
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posted November 19, 2018 09:11 PM
What is it's the guys Sun/Moon midpoint conjunct the woman's Venus and his Sun/Venus conjunct her Mars?IP: Logged |
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