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PlutoFish
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posted January 11, 2014 07:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The 12 sign system is right, aswell as the seasons, the cardinal-mutable polaritys are all correct, but Libra is man made and Ophiuchus needs to be moved back in, im making it my purpose to see this chart is created.

It should be;

Aries - Scorpio
Taurus - Ophiuchus
Gemini - Sagittarius
Cancer - Capricorn
Leo - Aquarius
Virgo - Pisces

Is the heart of Scorpio Antares not pronounced "Anti-ares" ...?

The opposite polaritys make so much more sense like this, and they are more "real".
Aries and Scorpio, the clean leader and the dirty leader.

Taurus and Ophiuchus, the two earth signs, the materalistic and the spiritual.

The rest are the same ..

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posted January 11, 2014 07:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why no Libra?

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posted January 11, 2014 07:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted January 11, 2014 08:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Or a 13 sign Sun chart including Ophiuchus, it's 100% within the signs, but how it ties in with what Ptomely created to do with seasons and winds i don't know ...

Unless - We didn't find the galactic center untill a few years back, Ptomely would of had no idea of the significance of Ophiuchus if he didn't know it was aligned with the galactic center ?

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posted January 11, 2014 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What if it doesn't really matter? So much energy has been channeled into the current system that it works without Ophiuchus. But draw that chart, I'm curious.

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posted January 11, 2014 08:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It might not. From my own research i find that the Tropical system isn't any longer accurate, especially for myself, but then alot of people say it does, even though, scientifically the accurate Tropical IS the sidereal.

Ophiuchus deserves a place in the zodiac just as much as any others, do you not agree .. ?

I will attempt and post my results

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posted January 11, 2014 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When the tropical was started, around 0AD/BC, the age of Pisces, we began the age of civilization. Ptomely created our starter block for astrology, only 12 signs. In 2000 years, there could be a 22 sign zodiac, who knows.

Now we're dawning the next age, Aquarius,2014 AD, where we will uncover the knowledge that we havn't been able to keep structured for the last 2000 years, surely there is no better signal for a change to be made?
The movement doesn't happen for no apparent reason, and we have no Messiah's, Moses's or Christs this time around, we have ourselves.

Are we not the only ones who can progress it?

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posted January 11, 2014 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AriesLilith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Western astrology tropical zodiac is based on seasonal orientation and not the constellations' actual pace: http://www.renaissanceastrology.com/zodiacworldview.html

Also, right now there are 12 signs, with 4 elements and 3 signs each. There is a balance here of the symbolisms that represents the all.

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posted January 11, 2014 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by AriesLilith:
Western astrology tropical zodiac is based on seasonal orientation and not the constellations' actual pace: http://www.renaissanceastrology.com/zodiacworldview.html

Also, right now there are 12 signs, with 4 elements and 3 signs each. There is a balance here of the symbolisms that represents the all.


You have already commented that, and it was true, 2000 years ago, i'm sorry but i don't follow Ptolemys word as the law, we can create astrology ourselves, there is no need to follow what the roman empire created 2000 years ago, the egyptians and all others civilizations used the real positions, Western tropical which is for society only and to create a male empire, is what ptolemy created.

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posted January 11, 2014 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 11, 2014 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AriesLilith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PlutoFish, I have commented about that already coz you made a thread about this already. :P

True, we don't have to follow traditional rules or interpretations if the old ways doesn't make sense anymore and new ideas that are presented makes more sense. Thought this doesn't seem the case.

Can you explain why the 13 signs is the Lunar Calendar? Also, what do you mean that the western tropical is for society only and to create a male empire? And why have the Pisces age been a masculine age?

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posted January 11, 2014 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by AriesLilith:
PlutoFish, I have commented about that already coz you made a thread about this already. :P

True, we don't have to follow traditional rules or interpretations if the old ways doesn't make sense anymore and new ideas that are presented makes more sense. Thought this doesn't seem the case.

Can you explain why the 13 signs is the Lunar Calendar? Also, what do you mean that the western tropical is for society only and to create a male empire? And why have the Pisces age been a masculine age?


Alright - Well All civilizations have followed the Moon calender until Ptolemy created the 12 sign Solar, Theoretically as they are a roman empire, the only reason would be to create a masculine zodiac, but then Ptolemy made a solar sign for Ophiuchus aswell, Serpentarius, he just didn't include it in the traditional zodiac. Serpentarius symbolises the rising out of Novembers darkness, into Decembers brightness. You can imagine a horsemen shedding it's serpent skin..

I take back what i said about Earth being where we should personalise the zodiac to, the Solar is defiantly the strongest of our astrological layers, the lunar is your more "asleep self" while the Solar is the awake self. The masculinity is more i guess what you could call a conspiracy against the Romans, as they were a male empire who banished femininity.

But then, at 0BC, it was a whole new start for earth, and our age of civilization, so who knows the sort of knowledge that was going on at the time..

The Solar is the right chart, but Ophiuchus should be in, and where did Libra come from?

Libra should not be there, Libra is just Scorpio with no stinger, a vain peaceful Scorpio, "diplomacy" etc are all things roman related, can you imagine what a Roman would of thought of a sign called "Ophiuchus"?

I think a 12 sign solar chart with Ophiuchus, or Serpentarius, and no Libra. Unless, Libra was created to keep us in a society based civilization, and Ophiuchus would return us to a more, spiritual theme on earth, Ophiuchus is actually a leader, a leader of Earth ...

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posted January 11, 2014 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

The romans could have permantly changed Earths destiny by creating Libra and getting rid of Ophiuchus .. that or it was just ment to happen, for civilization to be able, it's a bit of an Alice in Wonderland rabbit hole ..

The 12 sign system is right, aswell as the seasons, the cardinal-mutable polaritys are all correct, but Libra is man made and Ophiuchus needs to be moved back in, im making it my purpose to see this chart is created.

It should be;

Aries - Scorpio
Taurus - Ophiuchus
Gemini - Sagittarius
Cancer - Capricorn
Leo - Aquarius
Virgo - Pisces

Is the heart of Scorpio Antares not pronounced "Anti-ares" ...?

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posted January 11, 2014 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I mean everything we use is Roman based, the months and days, they all have true meaning, your birth date alone can symbolically show meaning for you, i don't know wether to trust there system as what we should follow or we are ment to continue our own progress, Ptolemy wasnt an Aquarian ...

They would of known that in the age of Pisces we have to much fear to carry on astrology ourselves, so they set the map, now we're a bit lost where to go, we seemed to have lost our real knowledge

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posted January 11, 2014 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The only source of real knowledge like this, is ment to be held by Anu, Enki and Enlil on Niribu, which is now coming back towards earth, this is where the Mayans got there original knowledge from , hopefully they can share some again!

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posted January 11, 2014 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The opposite polaritys make so much more sense like this, and they are more "real".

Aries and Scorpio, the clean leader and the dirty leader.

Taurus and Ophiuchus, the two earth signs, the materalistic and the spiritual.

The rest are the same ..

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posted January 11, 2014 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AriesLilith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm but what does the lunar calendar have to do with 13 signs or Opiuchus? I can't understand the link of lunar calendar with your theory, can you detail a bit more.

As for Libra being a Scorpio without sting, and Scorpio being the opposite of Aries, I can't agree. Libra's symbolism is not about a tamer version of Scorpio, Libra is about the acknowledgement of existence of others, and while Scorpio is indeed about the deeper dynamics and intimacy between people, it's also about death, instincts, inheritance (not only material inheritance), desires and attachments, control, and transformation by rising above the darkness and letting go of control. That is also why Libra fits in being the opposite of Aries. Opposite signs are balancedly opposed in terms of symbolism. Taurus is the opposite of Scorpio, being the sign linked to one's self values, experiencing life and the five senses in the material plane, while Scorpio is linked to other people's value, death, instincts as opposed to the senses, and so on.

Also, both Aries and Libra are masculine signs, and every opposite signs have the same gender for being compatible elements. Air and Fire are masculine and Water and Earth are feminine. Pairing Aries and Scorpio would not match the balance with the rest of the zodiac.
Hmm by the way what would be Opiuchus's element?

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