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Topic: Geometric Chart Patterns (Stelliums, Mystic Rectangles, etc)
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Ellynlvx Moderator Posts: 5170 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted January 16, 2014 12:08 PM
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum33/HTML/000152.html http://www.astrotheme.com/files/figures-composed-aspects.php
Grand Trine. Stellium. Grand Cross. What the heck do they all mean? Found this the other day. I think it is important to see the picture as a whole, rather than getting lost in the details. So, if you have a Geometric figure comprised of the Planets in Aspect, this is what that means... Ran across this on another Thread the other day, and really prefer their take on some. http://indigosociety.com/showthread.php?39198-Astrological-Psychic-Intuitive-Indicators
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Violets Moderator Posts: 2345 From: Twin Peaks Registered: Apr 2011
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posted January 16, 2014 12:30 PM
Cool, thanks for posting that!  IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Moderator Posts: 5170 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted January 16, 2014 12:40 PM
Violets!How are you this fine, fine day? IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 6860 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 16, 2014 01:00 PM
quote: If we were to establish a classification of composed aspects, we would certainly start by making two distinctive groups: the first one, comprising the four main composed aspects, namely the T-Square, the Grand Trine, the Grand Cross, and the Yod, which is also pompously and exaggeratedly called the finger of God.
 I use a 6 degree orb for everything except asteroids, and going by that, I have a cardinal, mutable, and fixed t-square ( and will show proof if anyone doubts me. ) This is giving me something to think about: quote: Owing to the very nature of the T-Square, the central planet, which forms two squares with the two other planets, indicates how AND in which area the native must focus in order to alleviate the prevailing tensions. The central planet channels all the might of the T-Square, and it is usually the sector (the astrological house) where this planet is found that is the scene of extreme changes and evolution.
The apex of my cardinal t-square is my 6H sun; apex of fixed t-square is Uranus-IC; apex of mutable t-square is 8H moon. Sun, moon, and Uranus are key. So the message is: Live, love, and go crazy.  --- The mystic rectangle example they give here matches my own, except I have Mars in Gemini instead of the moon. Overview: quote: The figure means a stability of a much wider and dynamic kind than that of the grand trine. The sextiles indicate focused communication, whilst the oppositions give a broader vision of things and integrate complementary and antagonistic values, until the native matures. As for the trines, they provide the usual stability.
Yes, considering how many things in my chart indicate a potential for me to go stark raving mad, but I haven't, there has to be something anchoring me, and I think it's more than my Cap sun. This reading does seem to fit. Thank you Ellyn!  IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Moderator Posts: 5170 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted January 16, 2014 01:06 PM
You're Welcome!It's really hard to find anything on these, almost like the Vertex... IP: Logged |
filleaspirant Knowflake Posts: 1073 From: Rio de Janeiro Registered: Sep 2013
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posted January 16, 2014 01:19 PM
This is a bit... overwhelming for me.I've got a Grand Trine (Sun-Moon-Jupiter) and 4 T-squares. If you consider aspects to Chiron, then I've got a Grand Cross (Sun-Ascendant-Mars-Chiron) and 3 T-squares, as one of the 4 becomes the GC. Ooh, and I've got a Trapeze too. And a wide Stellium with Saturn-Uranus-Ascendant-Neptune. I don't know if I should be worried or not. It doesn't sound too good to me, lol. Always with the good info, Ellyn... thanks!  IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Moderator Posts: 5170 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted January 16, 2014 01:24 PM
I don't use Chiron.In mine, you have a Grand Trine, with one T-Square. It is hinged on that MidHeaven Sun. People seem pretty Chronic about Chiron, though... IP: Logged |
tbelle Knowflake Posts: 130 From: Registered: Nov 2011
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posted January 18, 2014 12:03 AM
cool.I have a grand trine, t square and mystic triangle.It LOOKS like I have a yod as well, BUT it points to 2 planets in close orb instead of one. (venus sextile mercury quincunx moon 27 degrees /uranus 24 degrees) I have a kite, too - IF you count Vertex (lol) I find this fascinating! IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 7487 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted January 18, 2014 12:59 AM
I liked the part about stelliums  Thanks, Ellyn! IP: Logged |
Violets Moderator Posts: 2345 From: Twin Peaks Registered: Apr 2011
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posted January 18, 2014 04:49 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ellynlvx: Violets!How are you this fine, fine day?
Oops...I got lost meandering around in other forums and looking things up, heh. Now I'm going to bookmark that page! IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 6860 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 18, 2014 09:42 AM
My nodal axis runs between the near and far midpoints of my Mars and Jupiter, which are sextile. I wonder if that's a kite?Can the nodes be part of a configuration? ...Anyone know? IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve Moderator Posts: 7583 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted January 18, 2014 10:30 AM
Hey Faith  I think it depends on the person. Some people use hypothetical points and angles and asteroids in configurations but generally only planets count. IP: Logged |
fireopal09 Knowflake Posts: 288 From: Dallas,TX, Us Registered: Oct 2010
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posted January 18, 2014 10:35 AM
Thanks for posting the link. I have a grand water trine with a kite in earth, one T-square, and 3 yods. My chart gives me a migraines. ------------------ Claire "When going gets weird, the weird turn pro." -HST IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 6860 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 18, 2014 10:36 AM
Thanks, Doux  For now I think I'm going to be the type of person who counts the nodes.  Because I feel...TOO dynamic inside...and I get the sense that I have to channel that into personal evolution. SN/NN = Mars/Jupiter MP The equation's a good mnemonic, something I want to keep in mind. Picturing it like a kite adds inspiration.  IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve Moderator Posts: 7583 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted January 18, 2014 10:48 AM
You're welcome, Faith.Sure, whatever feels right!  - astro.com sometimes shows a Grand Cross in my chart, but it takes the ASC into account and a 10° square to Saturn. I think it's kinda wide but a Grand Cross looks quite majestic, hah. IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 6860 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 18, 2014 11:02 AM
Ooooo nice, Doux!Hmmm... If I count the ASC-DSC axis, I have an air/fire Grand Sextile. Like fireopal says, just thinking about it gives me a migraine! ...I guess I'll just take it as another illustration of that dynamic energy I feel. IP: Logged |
IMoppedtheFloor unregistered
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posted January 18, 2014 01:18 PM
I got the stellium one.Actually most people born in the 1980s have at least one wad of stellium in their chart. I have one in Libra; My sister has almost all her planets in Sag which is very cool to see. Our generation's charts scare older people who are used to seeing charts with planets sprinkled all over the place. They usually slam us because of it. I look at things differently - I view stellium kids as having incarnated here for a very special and very specific purpose. I feel like I relate to people from my own generation better, whose energies aren't just defused all over the place, and in general we tend to be very passionate individuals compared to our older counterparts. My mom had a grand trine which was very very cool. She had a hard life and didn't have everything handed to her so I know firsthand that stereotype was false. What it DID give her, was a lot of inner resilence, common sense, inner peace and inner strength. She wasn't neurotic with a lot of hangups and psychological issues like a lot of people. She was very strong and very centered mentally and emotionally. Trines get this bad rap as being a flaw in the natives because people feel antsy about the squares in their own charts, but I believe saying that Trines are all bad is just as stupid as saying that lots of squares are bad. I have a Chiron Yod in my chart. Some astrologers don't count them as yods if Chiron is involved, some do. I do count it because I feel its affects, but that might be because Chiron is actually "personalized" in my chart - and by that I mean, it aspects both my luminaries AND my chart ruler. For me it isn't just a generational placement off doing its own thing and having no effects for me on a personal level. IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Moderator Posts: 5170 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted January 18, 2014 02:06 PM
quote: Originally posted by tbelle: cool.I have a grand trine, t square and mystic triangle.It LOOKS like I have a yod as well, BUT it points to 2 planets in close orb instead of one. (venus sextile mercury quincunx moon 27 degrees /uranus 24 degrees) I have a kite, too - IF you count Vertex (lol) I find this fascinating!
So you have Moon/Uranus Conjunct at the Apex? I thought I did your Planets, but I can't find it if I did. I'll look it up for you if you want: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/009466.html I'm not sure, I only discovered this one a bit ago, but I think it has to do with Mastering the bottoms with the top, then it will activate. OR something. IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Moderator Posts: 5170 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted January 18, 2014 02:10 PM
quote: Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme: I liked the part about stelliums  Thanks, Ellyn!
You're Welcome, Sweetie! That one is definitely correct, it's Dignities and House placement you have to study to delineate. IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Moderator Posts: 5170 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted January 18, 2014 02:12 PM
quote: Originally posted by Violets: Oops...I got lost meandering around in other forums and looking things up, heh. Now I'm going to bookmark that page!
Ariadne Through the Labyrinth, no doubt? IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Moderator Posts: 5170 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted January 18, 2014 02:15 PM
quote: Originally posted by Faith: My nodal axis runs between the near and far midpoints of my Mars and Jupiter, which are sextile. I wonder if that's a kite?Can the nodes be part of a configuration? ...Anyone know?
I don't think I've ever done your Planets, and there are so many variables. I like to figure it out for myself. What do you think? IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Moderator Posts: 5170 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted January 18, 2014 02:19 PM
quote: Originally posted by fireopal09: Thanks for posting the link. I have a grand water trine with a kite in earth, one T-square, and 3 yods. My chart gives me a migraines.
Three Yods, hm. Is that Conjunction/Stellium based, or the whole Star? Of course once you have the right angle for one, it sets the base for another... IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 6860 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 18, 2014 04:29 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ellynlvx: I don't think I've ever done your Planets, and there are so many variables.I like to figure it out for myself. What do you think?
Sounds great! Thank you. IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Moderator Posts: 5170 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted January 18, 2014 04:36 PM
Got it!IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Moderator Posts: 5170 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted January 18, 2014 05:04 PM
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