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Ami Anne
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posted January 23, 2014 07:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know I asked about this before but I wrote a little article on it and wanted to see if anyone could relate.

I am more interested in personal experiences than web info.

Thanks so much!

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posted January 23, 2014 07:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chiron in Hard Aspect to the Moon——-Pain With Feelings


I am always looking at the people in my life and their charts. I could eat, sleep and dream charts. One person haunts me. I don’t understand her, so I keep going back to the charts. She has Moon oppose Chiron, exact. Emotions seemed as if they had the power of electricity to wound and shock. It was as if they were her enemy. I knew another person with Moon conjunct Chiron. If you got too close, she pushed you away.

I was thinking of this today when someone came to visit me and told me what I meant to him. At first, it felt uncomfortable. Then, I thought that I COULD receive it. I could take it into my heart and let it warm me. Then, I thought about the Moon oppose Chiron person. She could not let love warm her. She pushed it away as if it would burn her.

I think that Moon/ Chiron in hard aspect( and this includes the conjunction) does this.

What do you think?

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Doux Rêve
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posted January 23, 2014 08:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes Ami, that makes sense for the people I've known with Moon/Chiron hard aspects.

Receiving love doesn't come naturally and giving it can be hard as well.

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posted January 23, 2014 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Yes Ami, that makes sense for the people I've known with Moon/Chiron hard aspects.

Receiving love doesn't come naturally and giving it can be hard as well.


Thank you, Doux. Personal reports really help. Hope you are well, my Friend

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posted January 23, 2014 09:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're welcome!


I'm doing well, thank you. I hope you are, too.

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posted January 23, 2014 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jjj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The man I love has Moon conjunct Chiron (wide). He also pushes everyone away and is afraid of emotions as devil of holy water (in spite of being very emotional deep down). Is 8 degrees too wide an orb for Moon/Chiron conjunction?
I have a tight Moon/Chiron quincunx... I feel very deeply.

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posted January 23, 2014 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12muddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My s.o and I both have the square - loose though. Hmm we like receiving love, but we're very careful not to milk it too much and feel very uncomfortable when we can't reciprocate.

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posted January 23, 2014 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IMoppedtheFloor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I know I asked about this before but I wrote a little article on it and wanted to see if anyone could relate.

I am more interested in personal experiences than web info.

Thanks so much!


This leaves out a little something called...books. A lot of which are filled with text from professional astrologers who came to their conclusions after years of firsthand experience with people in their charts. Discarding any and every theory that someone else came up with as nonsense because you didn't come up with it at first and because it's not something you've observed firsthand and want to believe is real, makes absolutely no sense. They came to their conclusions based off of personal observation, and a lot of times they've observed hundreds more people over many more years than YOU have.

Chiron in hard aspect to Moon? This interpretation is wrong, to me anyway and doesn't reflect my personal experience in any way, shape or form. If anything we feel too much to the point of it wounding us.

And honestly, to the OP, I think a lot of times you use astrology as a weapon to dismiss and d.amn people you don't like, and not only that, more often than not, you don't even get the basics of the subject correct. You lack the personal insight to realize this, but you ARE one of those astrological bloggers who never knows what they're talking about, that you love to scorn and mock so much.iQ may have told you otherwise, but iQ doesn't like to say anything to people that is less than positive or encouraging, because he believes doing so is inhrently bad karma or something.

I feel differently. I don't believe that calling someone out on faulty thinking and wrong behavior is a bad thing, and in fact I believe holding back on it is doing a disservice.

Now, if you want to dismiss this as a BS post because I'm a Libra Moon and all Libra Moons are awful people because you dislike one, then go right ahead, that's typically the type of silly astrology you deal in anyway - nonsense generalizations that are factually incorrect as well as incorrect in terms of reality. That's why I typically scroll right past your posts in threads unless it's a topic I just really feel that pressed to read all replies to.

If you want to make this personal or slam me for it - go for it! But you should know I don't care. If you want to ban me for disagreeing with you and having the balls to tell you so despite your moderator status, rock on. It neither makes or breaks me either way.

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posted January 23, 2014 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
You're welcome!


I'm doing well, thank you. I hope you are, too.



Yes, I feel very blessed with my life right now. Thank you for asking

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posted January 23, 2014 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 12muddy:
My s.o and I both have the square - loose though. Hmm we like receiving love, but we're very careful not to milk it too much and feel very uncomfortable when we can't reciprocate.

Is this in the natal?

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posted January 23, 2014 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jjj:
The man I love has Moon conjunct Chiron (wide). He also pushes everyone away and is afraid of emotions as devil of holy water (in spite of being very emotional deep down). Is 8 degrees too wide an orb for Moon/Chiron conjunction?
I have a tight Moon/Chiron quincunx... I feel very deeply.


Aww Thanks for sharing. That report really helps.

8 degrees can be felt especially with the moon.

Do you almost feel as if you are "allergic to emotions" or as if you touched something electrical and you recoil, that kind of feeling, not exactly, of course, but to try to describe it.

Thanks!


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posted January 23, 2014 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delilah423     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't speak to hard aspects, but two of the most loving, kind, deeply emotional people I know, who both constantly deal with and provide strength and support to other people in deep emotional pain, have very tight Moon sextile Chiron. They are the epitome of the "wounded healer." One is an exceptionally skilled and brilliant psychotherapist.

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posted January 23, 2014 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jjj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami, I have Scorpio moon (quincunx Aries Chiron) that exactly semisextiles Pluto and Neptune (sits between them), so it is difficult for me to distinguish what comes from what : I have powerful emotions that can explode on the surface and I have been struggling with this all my life, but recently I have realized that I have a deeper layer of emotions that I am reluctant to deal with. And I am reluctant to open this deeper layer to others and may appear cold or blocked. And I just cant watch movies or hear stories that deal with physical or emotional pain. It becomes unbearable.
But I have a knack for connecting with other people on a deeper, unspoken level, especially people who also have some buried emotional pain. I have discovered that they have often Moon/Chiron in their charts. Just being with them and talking sometimes helps. I think these people heal each other unconsciously.

IMoppedtheFloor - I dont think that astrology is a quantitative science where the sample volume counts. The best astrologers have an insight and are good in observing people. Ami s approach is very original, I like it

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posted January 23, 2014 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much, jjj. That means a lot to me

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posted January 23, 2014 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jjj, I can relate to what you said. Could be a Scorpio/Pluto thing as well.

I've noticed Moon/Chiron people have their own "vibe". I can usually sense when someone has a Moon/Chiron aspect because the sensitivity is really quite out of this world and there's also a lot of empathy that's hard to express sometimes. It's hard to explain but there's a very special vibe with Moon/Chiron aspects, maybe I can pick up on it because I have an aspect between those two as well. I don't know if I have the vibe though since I can't see myself from an objective point of view. But when someone seems a bit awkward with emotions and yet "innocent" (even though they seem cold or distant, or even mean)... that can point to Chiron; it's like a very raw emotionality that can be manifested through coldness/distance (usually not cruel though, that'd be Saturn or Pluto) and/or through emotional vulnerability and empathy. Very often you can sense both in the person - a sort of mix between vulnerability / compassion and distance / defensiveness. There's a sense of protection going on as well, I think. Moon/Chiron either wants to be protected emotionally or protect others. Chiron points to an area where healing can be given and received. So here everything that concerns one's family, origins, body and emotions is of concern and can be source of pain and suffering in some way. Healing oneself (at least somewhat) and healing others can be a very deep experience that's often "needed" in order to be satisfied with life and find contentment /peace.

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posted January 23, 2014 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
jjj, I can relate to what you said. Could be a Scorpio/Pluto thing as well.

I've noticed Moon/Chiron people have their own "vibe". I can usually sense when someone has a Moon/Chiron aspect because the sensitivity is really quite out of this world and there's also a lot of empathy that's hard to express sometimes. It's hard to explain but there's a very special vibe with Moon/Chiron aspects, maybe I can pick up on it because I have an aspect between those two as well. I don't know if I have the vibe though since I can't see myself from an objective point of view. But when someone seems a bit awkward with emotions and yet "innocent" (even though they seem cold or distant, or even mean)... that can point to Chiron; it's like a very raw emotionality that can be manifested through coldness/distance (usually not cruel though, that'd be Saturn or Pluto) and/or through emotional vulnerability and empathy. Very often you can sense both in the person - a sort of mix between vulnerability / compassion and distance / defensiveness. There's a sense of protection going on as well, I think. Moon/Chiron either wants to be protected emotionally or protect others. Chiron points to an area where healing can be given and received. So here everything that concerns one's family, origins, body and emotions is of concern and can be source of pain and suffering in some way. Healing oneself (at least somewhat) and healing others can be a very deep experience that's often "needed" in order to be satisfied with life and find contentment /peace.


This is totally brilliant, Doux!

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posted January 23, 2014 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow jjj, well said (also doux btw) .. I also have the Chiron/Moon quincunx in the same signs as yours.. and I Always notice the Sun at 1 cap

According to Magi the quincunx would only be a great aspect to have. And esp. when it comes to Chiron.

But verrry striking is that ALL my significant relationships had a very strong connection with my Chiron/Moon quincunx. Mostly even with symmetrical geometry.

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posted January 23, 2014 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a Grand trine with venus, the ASC and Chiron.

If a man, usually, conjuncts my ASC with his Pluto, I feel a sense of peace from the trine to Chiron.

I feel supported and safe.

I need to watch other aspects but I have noticed this with Pluto conj my ASC

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posted January 23, 2014 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meissieri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, well-said, Ami, jjj and Doux. That's definitely Moon/Chiron.

Doux, you definitely have empathy, don't ever doubt yourself on that. <3

I have the opposition and I often grew up thinking that everyone is allowed to have feelings and ask for comfort but me. Still feels that way most of the time. It's really hard opening up as much as I could - and get all the nasty out - 'cause it's so intense and I've had lots of negative reactions to it or people just walking away without saying anything. I tend to save it for people I trust, because I need to know I'm safe around them.

My moon disposits Chiron as well, which is on my MC. Super public. At least it makes it easy for people to open up to me.

Don't know if this is just a coincidence, but I have opposite Chirons with my mother. Hers is on my Moon.

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I have the opposition and I often grew up thinking that everyone is allowed to have feelings and ask for comfort but me. Still feels that way most of the time. It's really hard opening up as much as I could - and get all the nasty out - 'cause it's so intense and I've had lots of negative reactions to it or people just walking away without saying anything. I tend to save it for people I trust, because I need to know I'm safe around them.

This is EXACTLY what I was feeling but I could not put it into words. You have helped solve a life long mystery for me. Bless you, Friend

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posted January 23, 2014 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meissieri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aww, I'm glad I could help you, Ami. <3

But... that's it, isn't it? The Moon wants to hide in her shell, making sure it's safe to come out. Feeling emotionally understood is very important. Moon-Chiron may have a Chiron in Cancer flavour no matter which signs they're in.

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posted January 23, 2014 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Aww, I'm glad I could help you, Ami. <3

But... that's it, isn't it? The Moon wants to hide in her shell, making sure it's safe to come out. Feeling emotionally understood is very important. Moon-Chiron may have a Chiron in Cancer flavour no matter which signs they're in.



This person was always so painful to me and I feel some understanding, now.

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posted January 23, 2014 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meissieri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

This person was always so painful to me and I feel some understanding, now.


That's good, Ami, really good. You can't force yourself to understand if it's too hard, but at least you're trying to.

Don't be too hard on yourself, that's only going to bring you down.

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posted January 24, 2014 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for geminigal2805     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My moon squares Chiron.

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posted January 24, 2014 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by geminigal2805:
My moon squares Chiron.

How close, my Friend.

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