posted January 24, 2014 11:15 PM              

but It's cuter when the pussycat does it

posted January 24, 2014 11:40 PM            

What bothers me most of all (about Moon/Pluto).. is that they can seem normal, kind, caring - even *better* than normal.. for some time, then out of the blue - they snap and start doing seriously nasty/mean things towards you (but they do this with everyone).

IMO The reasons behind this behaviour are a mix of two things... The first is their inner psychological drama that keeps being replayed over and over again.. This can involve different events/situations, but usually it involves female figures, (mainly the mother figure) - who have either tragically died or betrayed the Moon/Pluto man or harmed him in some way. They project the emotional turmoil onto the people who get close to them, acting as though they are constantly getting revenge, taking stabs, defending themselves.. etc.. in a cycle of aggression & passive aggression.

For an onlooker, they appear like a 'one man show'... because even if their partner or whoever ends up being the victim of their wrath - has done literally *nothing* to attack or harm the Moon/Pluto guy - in their minds this person is constantly doing things... because in their minds this person *becomes* other people who have harmed them in their past. So they are basically fighting themselves and their own memories - and others simply get 'caught up' in the drama.

The second thing - which is kind of tied in with the first anyway - is their insanely controlling attitude. They easily feel out of control if the person they are in love with does not give them their undivided love and devotion.
However, they're like an empty pit because nothing seems like it is ever enough - and they want more and more emotion.. and they still feel unloved.

Since they are constantly suspicious and doubtful about their partner's love... this is another reason they begin to be pretty nasty.. because they think this is a way to keep the partner's attention. They are extremely afraid of rejection and extremely hurt by rejection. This is again - due to bad memories involving the mother or other female figures who they felt abandoned by. Even the smallest rejection can trigger an emotional hissy fit... Actually scrap that - Even if they are *not* rejected and they simply feel that they 'may be' rejected in the future.. for instance if their love interest is slightly 'cool' towards them... even that can trigger a huge hissy fit.
To say that they are over-sensitive to rejection is a huge understatement.

posted January 24, 2014 11:44 PM            

"For an onlooker, they appear like a 'one man show'... because even if their partner or whoever ends up being the victim of their wrath - has done literally *nothing* to attack or harm the Moon/Pluto guy - in their minds this person is constantly doing things... because in their minds this person *becomes* other people who have harmed them in their past. So they are basically fighting themselves and their own memories - and other people simply get 'caught up' in the drama.

The second thing - which is kind of tied in with the first anyway - is their insanely controlling attitude. They easily feel out of control if the person they are in love with does not give them their undivided love and devotion.

posted January 24, 2014 11:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
lawl You Im seeing a scorpio moon with pluto conjunction.
Kinda like my shy black kitten hiding behind the furniture and I have to like carefully and gently approach him with treats.

but It's cuter when the pussycat does it

Idk I like scorpio moon women, they are are HBIC..

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posted January 25, 2014 12:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
I haven't met many Moon/Pluto types - but the ones I've known are not my cup of tea at all. I don't handle them as much as avoid them.
The ones I was closer to had the opposition and the square.
Scorpio Moon is different though. I can easily connect with them - as long as they have positive aspects to their Moon.

What bothers me most of all (about Moon/Pluto).. is that they can seem normal, kind, caring - even *better* than normal.. for some time, then out of the blue - they snap and start doing seriously nasty/mean things towards you (but they do this with everyone).

IMO The reasons behind this behaviour are a mix of two things... The first is their inner psychological drama that keeps being replayed over and over again.. This can involve different events/situations, but usually it involves female figures, (mainly the mother figure) - who have either tragically died or betrayed the Moon/Pluto man or harmed him in some way. They project the emotional turmoil onto the people who get close to them, acting as though they are constantly getting revenge, taking stabs, defending themselves.. etc.. in a cycle of aggression & passive aggression.

For an onlooker, they appear like a 'one man show'... because even if their partner or whoever ends up being the victim of their wrath - has done literally *nothing* to attack or harm the Moon/Pluto guy - in their minds this person is constantly doing things... because in their minds this person *becomes* other people who have harmed them in their past. So they are basically fighting themselves and their own memories - and others simply get 'caught up' in the drama.

The second thing - which is kind of tied in with the first anyway - is their insanely controlling attitude. They easily feel out of control if the person they are in love with does not give them their undivided love and devotion.
However, they're like an empty pit because nothing seems like it is ever enough - and they want more and more emotion.. and they still feel unloved.

Since they are constantly suspicious and doubtful about their partner's love... this is another reason they begin to be pretty nasty.. because they think this is a way to keep the partner's attention. They are extremely afraid of rejection and extremely hurt by rejection. This is again - due to bad memories involving the mother or other female figures who they felt abandoned by. Even the smallest rejection can trigger an emotional hissy fit... Actually scrap that - Even if they are *not* rejected and they simply feel that they 'may be' rejected in the future.. for instance if their love interest is slightly 'cool' towards them... even that can trigger a huge hissy fit.
To say that they are over-sensitive to rejection is a huge understatement.

So ya.. I'm not sure what advice to give you - 'Handle with kid gloves!'
I've noticed they are drawn to Cancer influence in women because Cancers can be very calm, understanding and motherly. But even towards the *nicest* person in the world -- after a while... they still start replaying their BS.

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posted January 25, 2014 01:25 AM            

I got the trine to my moon in 6,5 degrees and and aspects to sun, merc and venus as well.

I feel that the younger me could recognize himself in pretty much of the "crap" that has been said here.
Tho I have no hard feelings against my mother, or any other women, i have a hard time really, really trusting people in this world.
Having an abscent, drunkard, father and a depressed mother probably didn't help much either.

Looking back I can imagine I am lucky having libra-ascendant.

Trust me when I say that if the men you're talking about is still young and/or immature there is nothing you could do besides, if you're ready to invest much of your time and energy, promote and support them to build their self-esteem.
Off to the gym for workout- and a plan for self-fullfilment in an area they find fit.
Tho please be aware of that this journey really must be his own, or he must at least believe its his own doing.

If the guy is a prick and keeps accusing you for being unfaithful, or whatever, without ever recognizing his own problems - don't waste your time but leave him in his own misery. You will be doing you both a favor because living a life without solving these issues will be no real life for anyone of you.

Scorpio-women and women with scorpio moons are probably a gift and a curse from the universe to us plutonians born with the void in our souls.
That plutonian man must be sure not to fill this void with a scorpio woman tho, but a higher meaning and a feeling that he really is accomplishing what the universe wants him to do.
(Don't know if the last is coming from my Pluto or my ninth house stellium).

posted January 25, 2014 11:36 AM            

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Originally posted by ScandinavianCrab:
Well, hello! lol

I got the trine to my moon in 6,5 degrees and and aspects to sun, merc and venus as well.

I feel that the younger me could recognize himself in pretty much of the "crap" that has been said here.
Tho I have no hard feelings against my mother, or any other women, i have a hard time really, really trusting people in this world.
Having an abscent, drunkard, father and a depressed mother probably didn't help much either.

Looking back I can imagine I am lucky having libra-ascendant.

Trust me when I say that if the men you're talking about is still young and/or immature there is nothing you could do besides, if you're ready to invest much of your time and energy, promote and support them to build their self-esteem.
Off to the gym for workout- and a plan for self-fullfilment in an area they find fit.
Tho please be aware of that this journey really must be his own, or he must at least believe its his own doing.

If the guy is a prick and keeps accusing you for being unfaithful, or whatever, without ever recognizing his own problems - don't waste your time but leave him in his own misery. You will be doing you both a favor because living a life without solving these issues will be no real life for anyone of you.

Scorpio-women and women with scorpio moons are probably a gift and a curse from the universe to us plutonians born with the void in our souls.
That plutonian man must be sure not to fill this void with a scorpio woman tho, but a higher meaning and a feeling that he really is accomplishing what the universe wants him to do.
(Don't know if the last is coming from my Pluto or my ninth house stellium).

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posted January 25, 2014 03:05 PM            

I had a girlfriend with libra moon conjunct Pluto who lost her mother tragically. We became good friends and then out of the blue she would snap, use passive aggressive insults and make me feel like a piece of s**t! Because I'm so sensitive (cancer ASC, unaspected moon) I would just take it and take it...finally when I couldn't take it anymore, my Aries mercury took over and I called her on all of it! She proceeded to breakdown into a total emotional mess and I wasn't even Yelling??!!! Eventually our friendship ended because it was such a toxic relationship and she was extremely detrimental to my self esteem.

posted January 25, 2014 03:48 PM            

I would say that, yes, when unevolved, immature, or unaware, Moon/Pluto or Moon in Scorpio can be very tough to deal with. There was a time in my life where I was just not a nice person a lot of the times. But, these were in my late teens. I would engage in many of the destructive behaviors that Odette described: suspicious, controlling, resentful, mean for the sake of enjoying it. But, again, mind you, I was still just a kid and terribly immature.

And, well, I am still very young. I'm 24, but I'm MUCH more evolved and self-aware now. So, even though the portrait Odette paints can be very accurate in many cases, it is almost always a case of a Moon-Pluto/Scorpio Moon who is unevolved and not learned to transcend that dark side.

I would say that, now, I strive to live as consciously as I possibly can. I'm very aware that I have a dark side, but also aware of how to release it in constructive and creative ways, not destructive/toxic ways. I'm very good to the people in my life: loyal and honest and committed. I'm not perfect. I'd say the only time I get close to having a "stinger" now is when I'm either really in a bad mood or just really hurt by what someone did. In the former case, I try to just give myself space to let the mood pass. In the latter, I try now to let it out, instead of letting it build and build until I snap.

But, I see NO POINT in going around being suspicious and paranoid and controlling. It's all based in deep-seated fear. I think when a Scorpio Moon learns how to let go (which I have recently), it creates a HUGE change in their personality. Once I learned that I can go with the flow of life more and not worry about hurt or betrayal, because I'm strong enough to overcome it, then life just became so much easier for me.

It's sort of amazing when I look back on it but I do see what people mean when they say Scorpio can make very radical changes to themselves. Because, I just don't resonate anymore with those twisted, terrible descriptions of Pluto. I don't make people's lives miserable nor do I push people away. In fact, I strive much more nowadays to have serious, strong intimate connections in my life.

Like I said, I'm not perfect. But, I think that the dark side of my Moon nowadays is just that being so intense means that when I'm mad, I'm really mad (to a sometimes scary degree). Or when I'm sad, it can easily turn into depression. But, even then, I consider it a gift and believe that it brings me great strength and creativity to experience those emotions and know how to use them. As an artist, my Scorpio Moon conjunct Pluto is really my greatest asset.

posted January 25, 2014 03:54 PM            

Pluto does not cause lack of self-confidence...that is an aspect not the planet itself..

It simply is raw soul force, sulphur, or the dao....

posted January 25, 2014 04:07 PM            

Good posts.
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next to neptune,

Moon trine Pluto isn't like Moon conj, sq. or opp. Pluto. It's not as destructive. But the fact that your bf calls himself ugly makes me think he has low self-esteem and that could lead to controlling or sabotaging behavior. So watch out for that.
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posted January 25, 2014 04:12 PM            

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And the sex, too. [/B]

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Yup, I can sign that!

posted January 25, 2014 04:55 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
Well, I AM a Scorpio Moon male with Moon/Pluto conjunction to boot. So, I would like to add on to this conversation, just to show another side of it:

I would say that, yes, when unevolved, immature, or unaware, Moon/Pluto or Moon in Scorpio can be very tough to deal with. There was a time in my life where I was just not a nice person a lot of the times. But, these were in my late teens. I would engage in many of the destructive behaviors that Odette described: suspicious, controlling, resentful, mean for the sake of enjoying it. But, again, mind you, I was still just a kid and terribly immature.

And, well, I am still very young. I'm 24, but I'm MUCH more evolved and self-aware now. So, even though the portrait Odette paints can be very accurate in many cases, it is almost always a case of a Moon-Pluto/Scorpio Moon who is unevolved and not learned to transcend that dark side.

I would say that, now, I strive to live as consciously as I possibly can. I'm very aware that I have a dark side, but also aware of how to release it in constructive and creative ways, not destructive/toxic ways. I'm very good to the people in my life: loyal and honest and committed. I'm not perfect. I'd say the only time I get close to having a "stinger" now is when I'm either really in a bad mood or just really hurt by what someone did. In the former case, I try to just give myself space to let the mood pass. In the latter, I try now to let it out, instead of letting it build and build until I snap.

But, I see NO POINT in going around being suspicious and paranoid and controlling. It's all based in deep-seated fear. I think when a Scorpio Moon learns how to let go (which I have recently), it creates a HUGE change in their personality. Once I learned that I can go with the flow of life more and not worry about hurt or betrayal, because I'm strong enough to overcome it, then life just became so much easier for me.

It's sort of amazing when I look back on it but I do see what people mean when they say Scorpio can make very radical changes to themselves. Because, I just don't resonate anymore with those twisted, terrible descriptions of Pluto. I don't make people's lives miserable nor do I push people away. In fact, I strive much more nowadays to have serious, strong intimate connections in my life.

Like I said, I'm not perfect. But, I think that the dark side of my Moon nowadays is just that being so intense means that when I'm mad, I'm really mad (to a sometimes scary degree). Or when I'm sad, it can easily turn into depression. But, even then, I consider it a gift and believe that it brings me great strength and creativity to experience those emotions and know how to use them. As an artist, my Scorpio Moon conjunct Pluto is really my greatest asset.

Anyways, I'm blabbing. But, I just didn't want this to turn into one of those "all Scorpio Moons are messed up" threads. Because the positives - the strength, the intensity, the passion and depth - are not always emphasized as much. And I will say that, in a relationship, I am looking for intensity and passion. Not necessarily in a dramatic way (although I can handle an emotional storm on a regular basis, because I know it's inevitable). But, intensity in the chemistry, the connection, and the depth of the bond. And the sex, too.

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posted January 26, 2014 03:24 PM              

Ex : An ex of mine has Moon in Pisces opposite Pluto in Virgo; I have Moon conjunct Pluto in Libra. When we were together - when it was good (before other people wedged themselves in between us) it was VERY good, and probably one of the most emotionally profound, deep and positive bonds I've ever experienced with another person. If you aren't a Moon-Pluto person just don't bother, because you can't understand us. Period. You'll just get mad when we don't do and think and feel the way YOU want us to and start railing attacks about our imaginary Mommy-issues that you projected onto us, and how our emotionally passionate nature is to you a liability and somehow dark, malevolent and negative.

posted January 26, 2014 07:30 PM            

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Originally posted by IMoppedtheFloor:
[B]I'm kinda of the opinion that the only people who really understand Moon-Pluto people are other Moon-Pluto people; and the only people that can HANDLE a Moon-Pluto person, are other Moon-Pluto people.
/B]

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posted January 27, 2014 05:17 AM            

otoh i have moon opp pluto in my progressed chart. how long do these progressions stay in position? i can say that if what i've experienced is anything like the natal aspect it is a hellish state to experience.

posted January 27, 2014 06:48 AM            

Oh, I had IMMENSE fears of rejection when younger but have learnt to deal with those emotions by loving myself. I also have immense powers of anger that need to be channeled through exercise. I know I am capable of hurting another human badly and not really feel anything about it.

posted January 27, 2014 09:22 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Come to think of it, my friends have either been heavily Scorpio influenced or they had Moon / Pluto. I never realized that 'til now. It seems the only energy that isn't scared by Moon / Pluto or at least understands it with ease is earth - specifically Taurus or Capricorn. Fixed signs, even. But true… Cancers, Virgos? Nope. They don't agree or understand nor I them.

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posted July 18, 2014 04:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
I haven't met many Moon/Pluto types - but the ones I've known are not my cup of tea at all. I don't handle them as much as avoid them.
The ones I was closer to had the opposition and the square.
Scorpio Moon is different though. I can easily connect with them - as long as they have positive aspects to their Moon.

What bothers me most of all (about Moon/Pluto).. is that they can seem normal, kind, caring - even *better* than normal.. for some time, then out of the blue - they snap and start doing seriously nasty/mean things towards you (but they do this with everyone).

IMO The reasons behind this behaviour are a mix of two things... The first is their inner psychological drama that keeps being replayed over and over again.. This can involve different events/situations, but usually it involves female figures, (mainly the mother figure) - who have either tragically died or betrayed the Moon/Pluto man or harmed him in some way. They project the emotional turmoil onto the people who get close to them, acting as though they are constantly getting revenge, taking stabs, defending themselves.. etc.. in a cycle of aggression & passive aggression.

For an onlooker, they appear like a 'one man show'... because even if their partner or whoever ends up being the victim of their wrath - has done literally *nothing* to attack or harm the Moon/Pluto guy - in their minds this person is constantly doing things... because in their minds this person *becomes* other people who have harmed them in their past. So they are basically fighting themselves and their own memories - and others simply get 'caught up' in the drama.

The second thing - which is kind of tied in with the first anyway - is their insanely controlling attitude. They easily feel out of control if the person they are in love with does not give them their undivided love and devotion.
However, they're like an empty pit because nothing seems like it is ever enough - and they want more and more emotion.. and they still feel unloved.

Since they are constantly suspicious and doubtful about their partner's love... this is another reason they begin to be pretty nasty.. because they think this is a way to keep the partner's attention. They are extremely afraid of rejection and extremely hurt by rejection. This is again - due to bad memories involving the mother or other female figures who they felt abandoned by. Even the smallest rejection can trigger an emotional hissy fit... Actually scrap that - Even if they are *not* rejected and they simply feel that they 'may be' rejected in the future.. for instance if their love interest is slightly 'cool' towards them... even that can trigger a huge hissy fit.
To say that they are over-sensitive to rejection is a huge understatement.

So ya.. I'm not sure what advice to give you - 'Handle with kid gloves!'
I've noticed they are drawn to Cancer influence in women because Cancers can be very calm, understanding and motherly. But even towards the *nicest* person in the world -- after a while... they still start replaying their BS.

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Thank you so much! This is my 'crime file' to a T and all I've got is my moon in scorpio.