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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted January 25, 2014 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by meissieri:

Starlight does seem very Piscean, her 12th house shows so much. Like the peaceful, floating through life kind of thing? I agree with you.

Starlight:

Haha, I know. Strange how a stellium can really take over the chart, isn't it? You definitely have the Libra traits, being so chatty and social here. Maybe you could find that fire in some more Libra or Piscean things? That 12th house and Neptune just blur everything. I guess we all get attached to some parts of our chart. Oh, do you feel like Saturn is holding you back in some way?


I have Venus and Mars in fire signs surprisingly! I could use more Mars energy, it's virtually unaspected. One aspect, square from sun to Mars is ten degrees so I wonder if it even counts?
Saturn makes many aspects in my chart. I do feel his restrictive presence. It feels like fate holds me back. I do something that I think will help and I get knocked down time and time again. I feel clobbered by fate a lot of the time - or cursed lol.
The stellium does take over, and my opposition, which I believe feeds the twelfth house and activates it since the opposition involves Neptune. Using the Pisces node to balance this would mean putting up with a lot of stuff I don't want to. That's part of the Piscean energy, having a lot of negativity and dealing with it gracefully.

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Doux Rêve
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posted January 25, 2014 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hehe, I hope so, Starlight!

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Originally posted by meissieri:
Hi, Doux! Same to you.

You do see the air? That's really funny. I'm anything but rational and easily upset. I feel like my emotions run the show here. But thanks, though I can't really think of myself as light or objective. It does! Yeah, you're picking up on my Moon, which is my strongest planet closely after Saturn. Wouldn't be surprised if anyone here thought I had Cancer in my big three.

Starlight does seem very Piscean, her 12th house shows so much. Like the peaceful, floating through life kind of thing? I agree with you.


I see the air in that you're communicative and seek verbal connection (I don't know IRL ofc but here at least, and by email.) That makes me think of... Libra! :3
Yeah there's a bit of a Cancer vibe going on with you, too! It's a nice mix though.

Libra makes people melt. You and Starlight are both such sweethearts. <3 Good thing there's some Water in there to add some depth! hehe.

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meissieri
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posted January 26, 2014 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meissieri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I have Venus and Mars in fire signs surprisingly! I could use more Mars energy, it's virtually unaspected. One aspect, square from sun to Mars is ten degrees so I wonder if it even counts?
Saturn makes many aspects in my chart. I do feel his restrictive presence. It feels like fate holds me back. I do something that I think will help and I get knocked down time and time again. I feel clobbered by fate a lot of the time - or cursed lol.
The stellium does take over, and my opposition, which I believe feeds the twelfth house and activates it since the opposition involves Neptune. Using the Pisces node to balance this would mean putting up with a lot of stuff I don't want to. That's part of the Piscean energy, having a lot of negativity and dealing with it gracefully.

Hey, well. It depends. Can you feel it? Any experiences in your life where you can get more feisty? Mars can be a harsh planet, so I think it could show in a bigger orb? Oh and yes. Venus in Leo and Mars in Sag, right? There's plenty of fire in ya! But... what are your Sun and Jupiter doing?

Saturn and his lessons, they're so tough. It's hard not to give up with him constantly in the way. Ah yeah, I know that feeling. "Does the universe want me to fail or something...?"
And wow that is a lot of heavy Neptune. I get it's hard to keep your head up with that. The negativity... Even though everyone talks about Saturn or Pluto, Neptune is heavy on its own... hard not to get lost into.

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meissieri
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posted January 26, 2014 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meissieri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve: Hehe, I hope so, Starlight!

I see the air in that you're communicative and seek verbal connection (I don't know IRL ofc but here at least, and by email.) That makes me think of... Libra! :3
Yeah there's a bit of a Cancer vibe going on with you, too! It's a nice mix though.

Libra makes people melt. You and Starlight are both such sweethearts. <3 Good thing there's some Water in there to add some depth! hehe.[/B]


Ah, really? That's quite a surprise. Thanks, it makes me happy to hear that. It's harder to find that connection in real life, though I do seek people out.

Libra/Cancer is a nice combo, easy to get along with for me. Lol it didn't really hit me until now why. I just thought it was having my public angles in these signs.

Starlight has her Libra more clearly though. So do you, actually. Just very chatty, friendly. You two have plenty of water too.

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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted January 26, 2014 06:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by meissieri:
Hey, well. It depends. Can you feel it? Any experiences in your life where you can get more feisty? Mars can be a harsh planet, so I think it could show in a bigger orb? Oh and yes. Venus in Leo and Mars in Sag, right? There's plenty of fire in ya! But... what are your Sun and Jupiter doing?

Saturn and his lessons, they're so tough. It's hard not to give up with him constantly in the way. Ah yeah, I know that feeling. "Does the universe want me to fail or something...?"
And wow that is a lot of heavy Neptune. I get it's hard to keep your head up with that. The negativity... Even though everyone talks about Saturn or Pluto, Neptune is heavy on its own... hard not to get lost into.


I feel too languid for fire.
It could be the Libra influence. I've read Libra can be languid and kind of lethargic, or maybe that's just with an afflicted sun? My Libra sun friend would complain of feeling lethargic often.
I have sun in Virgo trine Saturn in Taurus and Jupiter in Libra inconjunct Saturn.
I am not sure what to make of Jupiter in Libra. On the one had it's in the home of Venus, the lesser benefic, and that sounds like a sympathetic place for Jupiter. On the other, Saturn is exalted in Libra, and that doesn't sound like Jupiter would have an easy time fully functioning in this sign. What do you think?

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meissieri
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posted January 28, 2014 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meissieri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I feel too languid for fire.
It could be the Libra influence. I've read Libra can be languid and kind of lethargic, or maybe that's just with an afflicted sun? My Libra sun friend would complain of feeling lethargic often.
I have sun in Virgo trine Saturn in Taurus and Jupiter in Libra inconjunct Saturn.
I am not sure what to make of Jupiter in Libra. On the one had it's in the home of Venus, the lesser benefic, and that sounds like a sympathetic place for Jupiter. On the other, Saturn is exalted in Libra, and that doesn't sound like Jupiter would have an easy time fully functioning in this sign. What do you think?

Probably a little of both. I definitely see Libra feeling tired - never read it myself, but it makes so much sense. Always trying to keep things balance, that takes tons of energy! I've heard that from lots of other pleasers as well. They're putting so much of their energy in not only themselves but everyone else as well. Saturn holds back even if it's positive, but as far as I understand, a trine would smoothe things out like help you keep the negative traits of Virgo under control. Like it gives you a welcome pause to think things through before speaking/doing something (Saturn and time/delay). How does that sound? Can't say anything on the quincunx, I don't know all that much about it.

About Saturn or Jupiter and Venus. I guess both as well? Saturn feels a tad stronger to me because of its exaltation, but Jupiter and Venus together would be nice. Jupiter in Libra would be like a watered version of an aspect between the two, I suppose? Yours were in the 12th I believe... so maybe Jupiter would be stronger also through being in a good house.
Do you relate to interpretations about these aspects?

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Mercurian Intellect
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posted January 28, 2014 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For me, it's:

-Astrotheme

Earth - 30.8%
Air - 28.9%
Water - 20.5%
Fire - 19.9%

-Astrodienst
(without any additional object)

Air - 34.8%
Earth - 29.7%
Water - 25.4%
Fire - 10.1%

-Astrodienst
(with all additional objects)

Earth - 33.1%
Air - 32%
Water - 22.4%
Fire - 12.6%

Personally, I think I am very Airy and Earthy, like it says, but very slightly more Air than Earth, but pretty much the same amount.

I seriously think these delineation calculations are inaccurate, generally. I think it comes down to what the person feels and observes within themselves, and that is most likely what their most accurate dominance is.

Sure, looking at the chart will help immensely, but it's not even defined on how these software get their calculations.

I would say that this delineation is a great tool to find out your general dominance, but when it comes down to a close tie between them, (even when you see other softwares have different results) it's safe to judge it by your own self-analysis. Whether that be psychologically, or astrologically. (looking at your chart yourself and judging it by it's astrological components, rather then what you feel inside) Or even integrate them both, which is what the best option is, in my opinion.

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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted January 29, 2014 01:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by meissieri:
Probably a little of both. I definitely see Libra feeling tired - never read it myself, but it makes so much sense. Always trying to keep things balance, that takes tons of energy! I've heard that from lots of other pleasers as well. They're putting so much of their energy in not only themselves but everyone else as well. Saturn holds back even if it's positive, but as far as I understand, a trine would smoothe things out like help you keep the negative traits of Virgo under control. Like it gives you a welcome pause to think things through before speaking/doing something (Saturn and time/delay). How does that sound? Can't say anything on the quincunx, I don't know all that much about it.

About Saturn or Jupiter and Venus. I guess both as well? Saturn feels a tad stronger to me because of its exaltation, but Jupiter and Venus together would be nice. Jupiter in Libra would be like a watered version of an aspect between the two, I suppose? Yours were in the 12th I believe... so maybe Jupiter would be stronger also through being in a good house.
Do you relate to interpretations about these aspects?


I relate to some descriptions of Jupiter in Libra. Some of what I read I cannot relate to. I don't really care about fashion or wedding dresses, wedding cakes or weddings. Libra is all about weddings.
I like art and philosophy.

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SunMoonStars
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posted January 29, 2014 01:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunMoonStars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It does not seem to be right... ??

For me it is fire (33,1%), air (27,1%), earth (21,7%) and water (18,1%).

I have three planets in air (plus IC and DC), three in earth (incl. Sun), three in water BUT all I have in fire is Mercury (plus ASC and MC)...

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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted January 29, 2014 01:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SunMoonStars:
It does not seem to be right... ??

For me it is fire (33,1%), air (27,1%), earth (21,7%) and water (18,1%).

I have three planets in air (plus IC and DC), three in earth (incl. Sun), two in water BUT all I have in fire is Mercury (plus ASC and MC)...


Maybe Ascendant is really important? I have an air ascendant with three planets conjunct and it counts for nearly 50% of my elemental balance even though I have sun, moon, and two other planets in earth signs.

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SunMoonStars
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posted January 29, 2014 02:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunMoonStars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought of that too, but it doesn't say anywhere how they calculate it.

IMO ASC is not more dominant than the Sun... Whichever way I look at it, it does not seem to be right astrologically...

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