posted January 28, 2014 01:56 PM            

I was wondering what your opinion was about the aspects of being shy.

HIM: Virgo (Sun), Gemini (Moon), Scorpio (Venus), Leo (Mars)

Me: Cancer (Sun), Libra (Moon), Gemini (Venus), Libra (Mars) (With Pisces ASC, Virgo in 7th H)

I am just starting to *date* my first Virgo. He is a guy who, for all intents and purposes, should not be very shy due to his work. He is very expressive, I think, and he actually emails me every day (long emails, too) so we never run out of things to talk about.

But, when I see him in person on the weekend, he is extremely reserved. First time we met, he hardly made eye contact. Second time we met, he made eye contact, but only patted my hand as far as physical contact went.

He flat out told me that he was feeling really reserved and that *normally* he would make a move--he is just admittedly acting bashful (but that he was interested and into me). I am not 100% sure, though, as I am used to more expressive types. What if it is a lack of chemistry he is feeling?

posted January 28, 2014 02:04 PM            

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Originally posted by salonroquet:
Hi, this is my first post.

I was wondering what your opinion was about the aspects of being shy.

HIM: Virgo (Sun), Gemini (Moon), Scorpio (Venus), Leo (Mars)

Me: Cancer (Sun), Libra (Moon), Gemini (Venus), Libra (Mars) (With Pisces ASC, Virgo in 7th H)

I am just starting to *date* my first Virgo. He is a guy who, for all intents and purposes, should not be very shy due to his work. He is very expressive, I think, and he actually emails me every day (long emails, too) so we never run out of things to talk about.

But, when I see him in person on the weekend, he is extremely reserved. First time we met, he hardly made eye contact. Second time we met, he made eye contact, but only patted my hand as far as physical contact went.

He flat out told me that he was feeling really reserved and that *normally* he would make a move--he is just admittedly acting bashful (but that he was interested and into me). I am not 100% sure, though, as I am used to more expressive types. What if it is a lack of chemistry he is feeling?

Do you guys have any thoughts or experiences with Virgo shyness or this chart placement?

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Hmmm....this is just based on my experiences with Virgos and also all the Virgo I have in myself and the times I am reserved is when I am not certain about something. That can perhaps also come from his Venus but I am not sure. Also, as much as I hate to say this because I adore Geminis, the Moons can be quite aloof sometimes and thatīs a whole lotta Mercury he has going on there...He might have turned his expressivness inwards as opposed to outwards.

posted January 28, 2014 02:04 PM            

First of all, I am a Virgo sun. I am really shy and quiet in person. I warm up when I trust and feel comfortable with another.

posted January 28, 2014 02:12 PM              

It goes either way with me. Sometimes just my mood. Sometimes I'm just a complete social butterfly.
I was just joking last night about when I get my hair cut. They might ask what my plans are for the day. I just say, "I have to work in a few hours." and leave it at that. LOL

posted January 28, 2014 02:12 PM            

I just didn't get why a person who would write me every day and be so engaging act so...bashful around me in person.

Even sometimes he would close his eyes to talk to me; it was endearing.

posted January 28, 2014 02:12 PM              

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Originally posted by charlie:
Hmmm....this is just based on my experiences with Virgos and also all the Virgo I have in myself and the times I am reserved is when I am not certain about something. That can perhaps also come from his Venus but I am not sure. Also, as much as I hate to say this because I adore Geminis, the Moons can be quite aloof sometimes and thatīs a whole lotta Mercury he has going on there...He might have turned his expressivness inwards as opposed to outwards.

Donīt push him too much because that will turn him completely off!

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This is not true necessarily. You can't go on sun sign alone, that would be silly.

I've known some pretty out-there Virgos, but the one I know has a stellium in LEO, so he's more Leo than Virgo and can pretty much handle whatever I dish out at him, (although he likes to act shy and appalled by everything I say and do; but with Venus conjunct Uranus in Leo he probably gets off on it way more than he's willing to admit).

posted January 28, 2014 02:22 PM            

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Originally posted by salonroquet:
Yes, I know what you are saying about turning the expressiveness inside.

I just didn't get why a person who would write me every day and be so engaging act so...bashful around me in person.

Idk if this is my Cancer or Libra influence or what, but I was just struck that he would say he is normally the type to put moves on but he feels reserved now. As in, was it something about me that made him feel that way?

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Maybe, it's difficult to say the exact reason but I relate to this situation really well. One of my friends has told me before he hates it when he writes a long letter and then I respond with a couple of short, choppy sentences when he went to great effort. I didn't even realize it when I responded that way.
Virgos can be moody and reserved or expressive and chatty. Sometimes they say things that really aggravate others, sounding like cold criticism. I don't know why we do it. It's like second nature to the Virgo. It will just come out of the blue when we seem so friendly and chatty then BOOM one short criticism erases every good word we said previously.

With Virgo sun/Gemini moon, your friend can most likely go from being full of words to having nothing to say in the blink of an eye.

posted January 28, 2014 02:26 PM              

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Maybe, it's difficult to say the exact reason but I relate to this situation really well. One of my friends has told me before he hates it when he writes a long letter and then I respond with a couple of short, choppy sentences when he went to great effort. I didn't even realize it when I responded that way.
Virgos can be moody and reserved or expressive and chatty. Sometimes they say things that really aggravate others, sounding like cold criticism. I don't know why we do it. It's like second nature to the Virgo. It will just come out of the blue when we seem so friendly and chatty then BOOM one short criticism erases every good word we said previously.

With Virgo sun/Gemini moon, your friend can most likely go from being full of words to having nothing to say in the blink of an eye.

For me, personally, the closer Mercury gets to Pisces, the more I want to communicate because Pisces is on my sixth house cusp and that's where Mercury is exalted.
Remember, Mercury ruled respond differently because Mercury changes signs often, too.

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That whole "silence" thing is a Pluto thing, not Virgo.

posted January 28, 2014 02:29 PM            

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Originally posted by IMoppedtheFloor:
That whole "silence" thing is a Pluto thing, not Virgo.

The Virgo sun I know has Pluto in aspect to his sun so sometimes he can shut down like that but it isn't out of timidity; I think it's more out of trying to control either himself or the situation (Pluto) or out of mistrust/suspicion (Pluto), not because he's a simpering little wallflower that needs to be coddled and protected from the big bad world. Especially with Mercury in a bolder sign, like Leo.

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posted January 28, 2014 02:31 PM            

So maybe it could be that he is reserved as a form of control to get to know me better.

posted January 28, 2014 02:31 PM            

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Originally posted by salonroquet:
Yes, I know what you are saying about turning the expressiveness inside.

I just didn't get why a person who would write me every day and be so engaging act so...bashful around me in person.

Even sometimes he would close his eyes to talk to me; it was endearing.

I was just struck that he would say he is normally the type to put moves on but he feels reserved now. I would think that all this emailing would make him feel pretty comfortable with me by now, right?

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what's his mercury?

posted January 28, 2014 02:33 PM            

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Originally posted by summerlite:
what's his mercury?

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posted January 28, 2014 02:36 PM            

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Originally posted by salonroquet:
His Mercury is in Libra, by the way.

So maybe it could be that he is reserved as a form of control to get to know me better.

I should really just take his word for it that he is into me? (Not pressing the issue but acting like a friend instead?)

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posted January 28, 2014 02:37 PM            

I *sometimes* get the impression that what I am saying to him is boring. Like, he isn't really interested enough in what I am saying to necessitate me elaborating any further. It happens sometimes when I talk about my personal life stuff, and it makes me feel a bit uneasy. Is there anything to indicate why I have this impression?

posted January 28, 2014 02:39 PM              

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:

Mercurial and Lunar people change their overall personality more often, on average, than other signs because their rulers change signs a lot.
I disagree with it being Pluto. Plutonians might be seriously quiet as a rule, not out of moodiness, exactly, more because they are thinking and absorbing a situation. Planning.

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Again - you can't generalize because you have to look at the entire chart. If someone has the moon on an angle for instance, that says one thing, sure - but if they have like a 3-6 planet stellium in a fixed sign, they're going to be slightly less erratic and all over the place than other people with the Moon or Mercury prominent. You have to look at the chart as a whole, because certain elements will outweigh and nullify others. Especially if they also have something like SATURN on an angle, because angular planets become very active and prominent in that person's character and makeup. I won't even get into if they have Pluto aspecting that moon, which is the case with the Virgo I know (moon pluto opposition).

And Pluto energy is pretty similar to Scorp - it rules that sign for a reason. Plutonian/Scorpionic silence is about trying to maintain control of SOMEthing, or about simple distrust and an attempt at self-protection from possible harm. You get a Plutonian Virgo, and their silence gets interpreted as being shy from a place of fragility, and timidity when it's really just "I'm going to sit here and say nothing because I don't trust you".

The Virgo I know gets misread like that all the time, he's a grown man and people treat him like he's a sniveling infant - I've seen firsthand that he's nothing like that. He knows it too, but he's not above using people's perceptions of him to get what he wants sometimes. lmao

He's not made of glass, and he's not wide-eyed and naive either, but he knows he comes across that way to people that don't know him that well.

posted January 28, 2014 02:44 PM            

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Originally posted by IMoppedtheFloor:
Again - you can't generalize because you have to look at the entire chart. If someone has the moon on an angle for instance, that says one thing, sure - but if they have like a 3-6 planet stellium in a fixed sign, they're going to be slightly less erratic and all over the place than other people with the Moon or Mercury prominent. You have to look at the chart as a whole, because certain elements will outweigh and nullify others. Especially if they also have something like SATURN on an angle, because angular planets become very active and prominent in that person's character and makeup. I won't even get into if they have Pluto aspecting that moon, which is the case with the Virgo I know (moon pluto opposition).

And Pluto energy is pretty similar to Scorp - it rules that sign for a reason. Plutonian/Scorpionic silence is about trying to maintain control of SOMEthing, or about simple distrust and an attempt at self-protection from possible harm. You get a Plutonian Virgo, and their silence gets interpreted as being shy from a place of fragility, and timidity when it's really just "I'm going to sit here and say nothing because I don't trust you".

The Virgo I know gets misread like that all the time, he's a grown man and people treat him like he's a sniveling infant - I've seen firsthand that he's nothing like that. He knows it too, but he's not above using people's perceptions of him to get what he wants sometimes. lmao

He's not made of glass, and he's not wide-eyed and naive either, but he knows he comes across that way to people that don't know him that well.

I tend to know better because I have Mercury in the same sign as him, and I'm pretty Plutonian too. Kinda on the same wavelength and I see right through him, so in my head I'm always like, "Game recognize game" lmao. And I'd still wager when it comes to the OP, that with this Virgo guy having stuff in Gemini and Leo, there's no way he's as timid and frightened-acting as he initially appears. Now, if the rest of his stuff was in Virgo also, and maybe Libra? Then yeah, she'd probably have to walk on eggshells around him a little bit.

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posted January 28, 2014 02:46 PM            

Sun Virgo 26.40
Moon Gemini 11.58
Mercury Libra 22.32
Venus Scorpio 7.53
Mars Leo 11.05
Jupiter Libra 15.30
Saturn Libra 10.50
Uranus Scorpio 26.58
Neptune Sagittarius 22.10
Pluto Libra 23.12
Lilith Scorpio 29.25
Asc node Cancer 29.59

posted January 28, 2014 02:47 PM            

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Originally posted by summerlite:
what about your Mercury?

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posted January 28, 2014 02:50 PM            

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Originally posted by salonroquet:
Because I have no idea how to post a picture, his chart is the following:

Sun Virgo 26.40
Moon Gemini 11.58
Mercury Libra 22.32
Venus Scorpio 7.53
Mars Leo 11.05
Jupiter Libra 15.30
Saturn Libra 10.50
Uranus Scorpio 26.58
Neptune Sagittarius 22.10
Pluto Libra 23.12
Lilith Scorpio 29.25
Asc node Cancer 29.59

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I have similar placements.
Sun in Virgo
Mercury in Liba
Jupiter in Libra

My natal moon is approaching Gemini but it's still in Taurus.

I have Venus in Leo instead of Mars.

posted January 28, 2014 02:56 PM              

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:

I am only going by what I see from other Virgo suns I know in person and my own experience as a Virgo. The only Virgos I know who are really adept with people have Venus in Libra otherwise they are kinda quiet and awkward.
It's necessary to get used to the Virgo energy which isn't always easy to relate to. Remember, Libra is where people start relating. Not Virgo.

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I'm going by my own experience also. The Virgo I've known off and on for a decade-plus, is nothing like what you're saying. At all, and the only thing he has in Libra is his north node. Most of his placements are in LEO though, not Virgo. My sun and mercury are in Leo (so is his Mercury) so I know the lay of that land, well.

You have to go by what energies are THE most prominent in the chart. If the person has most of their placements in more introverted, phlegmatic signs, then yeah, you're going to get someone that is genuinely shy and easily overwhelmed socially. But letting the sun sign be the tail that wags the dog is the wrong route to take, because if they have a Pisces or Virgo Sun (or some other sign ppl consider timid and frightened), that means nothing if the rest of their planets are in Aries or Leo or something!

Is the Sun important in the chart? Yes, I'm not saying it isn't, but to immediately assume that all Virgo suns are shy...is way off the mark. Just like all Leos aren't necessarily super-outgoing, if most of their planets wind up in Virgo lmao.