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Topic: RIP Sid Vicious
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Catalina
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From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted February 03, 2014 06:41 PM
  
Yes Lydon is much more articulate and Sid had some big blind spots. Yes Lydon was rude to her, as he was to a lot of people he considered fake. Like a lot of people he was dismayed at her influence on his friend. One of the reasons she influenced Sid to think he was too good for the others...Sid was not "dim" but he was no scholar and he was not strong in his sense of self... Obnoxious doesn't intimidate me either, and I appreciate your desire to see for yourself. But she was not cool, even with herself. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted February 03, 2014 06:46 PM
Well she just thought the bass player was undervalued in bands and maybe she had a point there? She thought Sid could have a solo career.
Of course she is going to like her bf more than the others :/
Siiiigh I agree, her personality put people off so if you aren't prepared for it, probably won't be able to stand her for long.
When you put her in the context of punk rock, she doesn't seem any worse than Lydon, at least to me.
Sid was already used to the Lydon persona so it wasn't that difficult for him to warm up to someone like NS. She was similar to Lydon.
Nancy seemed love-starved. Her parents couldn't deal with her, they sent her away, she spent most of her childhood in alternative schools with other kids in similar situations with their parents.
She couldn't find a ltr so when she got together with Sid, she tried to fulfill a lifetime of emotional isolation with him. IP: Logged |
Catalina
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From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted February 03, 2014 07:03 PM
No, she was a very different kettle. As I said, she came out of the womb in distress and the help she might have received was not available in those days. It is to her mother's infinite compassion that she owed a life outside of a "mental facility", really.
BUT aggressiveness was much more acceptable in that crowd. The backstory is way too complicated,SSS. She was impossible from infancy. I understand your curiosity but John had real friends and real talent . Nancy had none of those, but a lot of pain and anger.
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted February 03, 2014 07:07 PM
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Originally posted by Catalina:
No, she was a very different kettle. As I said, she came out of the womb in distress and the help she might have received was not available in those days. It is to her mother's infinite compassion that she owed a life outside of a "mental facility", really.
I can tell you have broken them into halves and have chosen to side with Sid which is your choice.
I still think it's difficult to really understand unless you have been in that situation, years without your family. Without one, you don't learn skills that help your relationships as an adult. Similar can happen when you are raised in a dysfunctional one. She did have problems and back then, families separated themselves from kids with problems, more. DS did not have anyone which to turn for help, just institutions and boarding schools.
In her interviews Nancy didn't seem completely hopeless. IP: Logged |
Catalina
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From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted February 03, 2014 07:27 PM
I met both of them before they got together. As a mother I can understand not sacrificing my whole family's safety and mental health to a child who was as volatile as that. As I said, many people put such kids in "asylums" in those days.I also feel compassion for Nancy, but thatis not the same as subjecting yourself to high volume crassness and abuse. If she thought she could get something from you she could be nice, but she wasn't nice to Sid or most people. A user in several senses of the word. Who csn blame her tho? You could say I am on Sid's side, I guess. I doubt he would've grown old gracefully if at all. He didn't have any desire to grow old at all either. It is just sad as it was sad to watch his deterioration . I don't blame her but his lack of inner resources. None of which makes her any more "cool" in any way shape or form IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted February 03, 2014 07:32 PM
I don't mean what happened to Nancy (or Sid) was cool, just that she is undervalued. I still believe that. Yes she has problems but everyone has them.
She had her moments of coolness and no one can take them from her as far as I am concerned.IP: Logged |
Violets
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From: Twin Peaks
Registered: Apr 2011
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posted February 03, 2014 08:11 PM
Well, this topic turned out more lively than I thought it would. Interesting that you knew them both, Catalina. Must have been an interesting life you lived, to be there for that time and place in history. I admit that I envy you for that, just a little.  IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted February 03, 2014 08:22 PM
I like this interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxscR7H7xuk IP: Logged |
Violets
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From: Twin Peaks
Registered: Apr 2011
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posted February 03, 2014 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I like this interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxscR7H7xuk
Yeah, I've seen that. I think I've seen all of them. And Johnny Rotten as well. He seems to have mellowed considerably with age. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted February 03, 2014 08:44 PM
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Originally posted by Violets:
Yeah, I've seen that. I think I've seen all of them. And Johnny Rotten as well. He seems to have mellowed considerably with age.
It's hilarious a caller thought Nancy was Peter Frampton. IP: Logged |
Violets
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From: Twin Peaks
Registered: Apr 2011
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posted February 03, 2014 10:05 PM
Have you seen this?
It made me laugh to tears, and he's just gotten more awesome with age, imo.
http://youtu.be/s2wOU71-T44 IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted February 03, 2014 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by Violets:
Have you seen this?
It made me laugh to tears, and he's just gotten more awesome with age, imo.
http://youtu.be/s2wOU71-T44
You can see the Saturn in his personality, lol, he's an Aqua sun. He goes on about people being too spoiled.
@Summerlite, I was just now thinking about what you typed. You say your soul mate is Keanu Reeves due to your synastry with him. What I am wondering is how someone who has passed can be a celebrity soul mate and how synastry enters into it? I think Sid is alright I don't despise him or anything. I don't consider him my prince-charming-night-in-shining-armor and actually find Nancy more interesting in a lot of ways. What I find odd is Sid passed on and I have those synastry contacts. Not sure what that means, exactly. Just think it's kind of...um...paranormal or something? Maybe paranormal isn't the right word...
Oh, and another thing that's strange, now that you mention it - Sid does vaguely resemble Keanu 
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Violets
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From: Twin Peaks
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posted February 03, 2014 11:12 PM
I knew he's an Aqua Sun, but I've never looked at his chart. I wonder if it's on file?IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
Knowflake Posts: 7178
From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted February 03, 2014 11:19 PM
I found this link to Lydon's chart 
http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Johnny_Rotten IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 1303
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted February 03, 2014 11:23 PM
Interestingly Sid's venus was on Algol, and his beloved died of garotting, close enough to beheading to be spooky.IP: Logged |
Violets
Moderator Posts: 2160
From: Twin Peaks
Registered: Apr 2011
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posted February 03, 2014 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I found this link to Lydon's chart
http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Johnny_Rotten
Aw, snap! I was hoping there would be a birth time somewhere. Ah, well. Thanks for the link!
I'm curious about his Pluto aspects, because he's always had that intense glare/stare when he speaks. I love his facial expressions. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
Knowflake Posts: 7178
From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted February 03, 2014 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by Catalina:
Interestingly Sid's venus was on Algol, and his beloved died of garotting, close enough to beheading to be spooky.
And the way he died, too! Don't forget, Algol rules intoxicated states.
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted February 03, 2014 11:26 PM
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Originally posted by Violets:
Aw, snap! I was hoping there would be a birth time somewhere. Ah, well. Thanks for the link!
I'm curious about his Pluto aspects, because he's always had that intense glare/stare when he speaks. I love his facial expressions.
I like that his sun trines my Libra ascendant
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Violets
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From: Twin Peaks
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posted February 04, 2014 09:32 AM
I find it hard to believe that he has a Libra Moon (Johnny). I wonder if his birth time would change it? His Sun is conjunct my Mercury and trine my Pluto. I can see the Libra Moon in Sid, though. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted February 04, 2014 12:18 PM
He could. Libra moons can be obnoxious with sarcastic humor. They can be aloof, too. Can't know for sure without his birth time. It's either Virgo or Libra. IP: Logged |
Violets
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From: Twin Peaks
Registered: Apr 2011
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posted February 04, 2014 01:55 PM
His snark and sharp criticism reminds me more of Virgo Moon, haha. But yeah, Sid does look very sweet, like a Libra Moon. My son is a Taurus with Libra Moon, and he has that type of sweetness about him. Weird that Nancy was Pisces Sun AND ASC. She would seem more like an Aries ASC to me, but Pisces can be pretty agro too...not that I would know or anything. *cough*
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StarlightSmileSupreme
Knowflake Posts: 7178
From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted February 04, 2014 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by Violets:
His snark and sharp criticism reminds me more of Virgo Moon, haha. But yeah, Sid does look very sweet, like a Libra Moon. My son is a Taurus with Libra Moon, and he has that type of sweetness about him. Weird that Nancy was Pisces Sun AND ASC. She would seem more like an Aries ASC to me, but Pisces can be pretty agro too...not that I would know or anything. *cough*
Sid seems like a Taurus sun to me, especially a man with Venus in Taurus. My friend's dad had the same combination, Taurus sun/ Libra moon and he was calm and everything but not much like Sid. They aren't similar in many ways that I can see. Venus in Taurus gives Sid that really placid demeanor, maybe? Then when he does say something, you realize he's smarter than he appears and that's he's actually funny and clever. He's just so calm and still, never looks up and DS's book,I Don't Want To Live This Life he is portrayed as slow and not very thoughtful but with a kind heart and respectful of Nancy's parents. In the interview with the link, he does seem brighter and funnier. Nancy's chart is very interesting. I can see the Pisces influence. People mistakenly think of Pisces as this placid sign that can't stand up for itself, easy to push around, when in fact, many of them are tough and outspoken, especially with Venus in Aquarius, the masculine air sign. They will dominate a situation if given the opportunity.
I can also see Nancy's struggle in her twelfth house sun and Mercury. According to DS's book, Nancy was given a medication to treat her symptoms while a young child and she had the most terrible side effects and this is where she started experiencing the downward spiral. This sounds very much like afflicted Neptune, perhaps Piscean, too. Afflicted Neptune tends to experience horrendous effects from drugs, out of sync with what others experience and it can leave them damaged in some way, profoundly alter their lives. It's a part of the Neptune experience for some.
Then you see her Gemini moon very afflicted. This is why I think she as not bonded with her mother and their relationship was very tense.
Her twelfth house sun/Mercury are trined Jupiter/Neptune. According to her chart, it was her father that saved her and saw to it that she was educated. Her father had compassion and might have been the one who was actually responsible for her treatment. So it might have not been her mother attall (as Nancy liked to say "attall.")
According to her chart, she was much more a daddy's girl.
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