posted February 17, 2014 05:47 AM            

Sometimes it depends on the synastry, and not just the natal chart.

Maybe you need to find someone you can be comfortable with, like a tolerant and patient friend?

posted February 17, 2014 05:55 AM            

But when I'm out with friends I'm myself, its weird lol.

Virgo Sun opposite Saturn in 8th
Virgo Mercury
Moon in Cancer in the 12th
Mars in Cancer in the 12th
Jupiter in Cancer in the 4th
Libra Venus singleton (only air placement)
Leo Asc singleton (only fire placement)

posted February 17, 2014 05:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Water influence can be terrible at this. "Hiding" from others.

Sometimes it depends on the synastry, and not just the natal chart.

Maybe you need to find someone you can be comfortable with, like a tolerant and patient friend?

Generally speaking if you repress your "personality" when you're around others it may be because you feel like you're defective in some way or like others won't like you or accept you. Is that true for you?
Or maybe you're just too shy.

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Like, my mom is so fun and kind of outgoing, and I think she'd like me even more if I was who I really am.

I've never been able to be me, though.

posted February 17, 2014 05:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
I can be like sometimes, it mostly happens to me amongst large crowds of people I don't know.
Especially when I'm alone in public.

But when I'm out with friends I'm myself, its weird lol.

Virgo Sun opposite Saturn in 8th
Virgo Mercury
Moon in Cancer in the 12th
Mars in Cancer in the 12th
Jupiter in Cancer in the 4th
Libra Venus singleton (only air placement)
Leo Asc singleton (only fire placement)

I have too much of an influence of feminine signs in my chart and too much water lol

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posted February 17, 2014 06:06 AM            

Try to be more yourself when you're alone then, and gradually try to "reveal" yourself more to others.

posted February 17, 2014 06:19 AM            

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Originally posted by swampys:
I have Moon in Cancer in the twelfth, too. It's Cancer at the 29th degree, though. And I have a bad moon.

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Aww
Yeah the 29th degree can be a bit tough to deal with, especially if afflicted.

This guy has some great tips that really helped me!!

posted February 17, 2014 08:38 AM            

In my career, I am very direct, forthright, expressive of my emotions and pretty comfortable being real.

However, the square to my ASC makes me afraid to be like this in real life because I am afraid people are gonna think I am weird

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posted February 17, 2014 08:45 AM            

@swampys:

Consider that the shy, public you is a valid expression of yourself, given the circumstances you find yourself in. There's no reason to be down on that "mask," or whatever you would call it~ it's something you've created for a reason. Having a 12H Cancer moon makes you ultra sensitive and that requires special care.

Like Doux said, it can be a synastry thing. Some people will elicit different reactions from you and it's not uncommon to feel like you never even knew yourself until you meet a person who draws you out of yourself, or someone with whom you can "combine" and feel larger than yourself. After all, your 12H moon is attuned to universality and expanding beyond your personal space.

Saying this because I know you are young and might not have had the opportunity to discover these things yet. Also I have an 8H Pisces moon and can empathize.

Best wishes

posted February 17, 2014 08:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
@Lavender & Doux: Aw, I like him! Seeing him for the first time now.

@swampys:

Consider that the shy, public you is a valid expression of yourself, given the circumstances you find yourself in. There's no reason to be down on that "mask," or whatever you would call it~ it's something you've created for a reason. Having a 12H Cancer moon makes you ultra sensitive and that requires special care.

Like Doux said, it can be a synastry thing. Some people will elicit different reactions from you and it's not uncommon to feel like you never even knew yourself until you meet a person who draws you out of yourself, or someone with whom you can "combine" and feel larger than yourself. After all, your 12H moon is attuned to universality and expanding beyond your personal space.

Saying this because I know you are young and might not have had the opportunity to discover these things yet. Also I have an 8H Pisces moon and can empathize.

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posted February 17, 2014 09:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I would say squares to the ASC. I have noticed something that may help answer this. I have Noon conj the MC but square the ASC. Moon is one's heart.
In my career, I am very direct, forthright, expressive of my emotions and pretty comfortable being real.
However, the square to my ASC makes me afraid to be like this in real life because I am afraid people are gonna think I am weird

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I agree with squares to the asc, I have mars Neptune Uranus square. This causes a lot of anxiety.

posted February 17, 2014 10:57 AM            

I know that anaretic planets are difficult to deal with in general, especially if they have oppositions.

Maybe you could do some research into that, and try to find ways of helping yourself to feel more comfortable in your own skin, if that's what you want?

Ellyn has a really great link about anaretic planets (29 degrees), I'll try to find it for you if you haven't already seen it.

Hang in there.

posted February 17, 2014 06:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Zomg Lavender, I watch this guy's vids, too!
I actually had a feeling you'd put his links... it was a hazy sort of "intuition" moment.

Amazing stuff.

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posted February 18, 2014 01:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Not sure about Leo rising and shyness.
Cook-book interps say it shouldn't be shy at all but the people I've known with Leo on the ASC were actually quite shy - blush easily, seem a bit awkward in new situations. Maybe the Sun has its say in this (ASC ruler) and the aspects to the ASC as well.

Try to be more yourself when you're alone then, and gradually try to "reveal" yourself more to others.

It can take time to fully grow into ourselves... especially people with a prominent Saturn or Water influence - in particular the 12th house.

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Swampys is an aqua so that puts sun in 7th....

posted February 18, 2014 04:45 AM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
get yourself acquainted with self-expression

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posted February 18, 2014 11:37 PM            

I strongly agree with the above poster who put down get the know self expression or something like that. This will help you vet out of your shell. Find an outlet for expression and experiment with a bunch of mediums when it comes to expression.

posted February 19, 2014 03:40 AM            

I have saturn/uranus/neptune in the 1st and I think saturn restricts me and uranus might make me seem odd to people? also neptune might make me seem aloof or hard to understand. I also have a stellium in the 11th I think a full 11th house can either make you have lots of friends or be an outcast. I must have bad aspects here.

posted February 19, 2014 03:54 PM            

O yeah, I can talk a blue-streak and relate on a very wide variety of topics... Seems I can always find "something" I have in-common with another. But when it comes to ONLY being my self?, I feel that I don't do so well when the curtain is pulled back... there's a cringing stinging and foggy-blindness when I emerge as *only* myself, out from underneath the layers of veiling.

Sure! I have many wonderful stories to tell. Things that others can listen to, and be warmed by, warned by, or entertained and inspired. But those "stories" are from things I *did* in the past.

To pick up the phone and just make a call to an answering machine takes great Bravery. (Had no problem in business life job.) But to even just actually "speak" to another person about *me* feels blank, wrong, and unreal... Then I can't remember what I even said to them, arrrrrggggg!

To hide behind this keyboard, and type these letters out inside such a pretty pink box-frame, feels safer to me now, yet is 'still' risk. (Thank god for DELETE, and Edit! lol )

There's comfort that I sorta-semi have almost. A general familiarity with some people here-- even though I humiliate myself by mixing up who's who from time to time. And I'm glad to see the new ones who have come onboard, and that some old-registerees are finally posting.... *smile*

But as me, by myself...? Posting can feel sorta painful, actually. So much to say ALL the time, but 'how' do I wrap those words in the Best way? I can see things from multi-perspectives-- It's choice: what to say. (Old poster I hung on the wall in 1960s said, 'If You Don't Understand My Silence, then How Can You Understand My Words?')

I don't like "competition" on an ego-level. -- Intellectually? Most highly yes, I enjoy stimulating exhilarating soapbox debates (could argue both sides, and THEN, a third! ). But honestly I never learned to face other people's jealousies well... (Was a victim of awful bullying, lies, public shaming, and abuse`` it shattered my life... my confidence nil.)

Now I'm just trying to 'exist' just for the reason to be alive, for *as myself*, I feel I have nothing to offer. Oh, I have many interesting stories of my life's adventures, many tales, many experiences, many wisdoms. But *me*??? Well, my 'name' sums it up...

Somewhere in the mid to late 1980s I signed up for a modeling class-- (to learn how to put on cosmetics). But part of the "package deal" (before makeup) was that you had to learn to "walk" in front of others.

So okay.... The instructor lined us all up, and one after the other, we climbed up on the low stage, walked across the catwalk, and kept doing so. That was alright while I waited in line.... but then suddenly I felt so exposed. Fear! Silent tears began streaming down my face. My chest heaved and I couldn't stop crying (silently and as unobtrusive as possible). (Everyone there was soooooo respectful and polite. No one said a word. There was just 'privacy-space' there for me, and for whomever else was probably experiencing the same private inner cataclysms I was having.)

Then there was the part of class where we learned to put the makeup on, then had our picture taken, in black and white. Of all the pics in the class, mine where the most "useable"... I did not have one bad shot. This was unusual... they said. I have an ingénue look (Hey, Gemini, with a lot of water in my chart! look at least 10 years younger Or more sometimes.... way more.)

To me, whatever success I had always 'felt' to me as "accidental"-- (chiron trine sun). (I really do take hideous home-pixs, and look awful-worse on video.) Some photographers are sooo gifted: they can bring what's 'not-there' forward, than when I've looked into the mirror to see...

At the end of this 'package-deal' course, there was a big modeling show in the Gold Ballroom at a 5-star hotel. At one point during the show, "it" 'happened'... my teachers were stunned. (Like an anointing fell on me-- moving through beautiful invisible jello/eggwhite/honey.)

I felt an 'expansion' where I personally felt as though I could sense and invisibly reach and touch every single person in the ballroom with my spirit. It was just my psyche being 'just me' all alone, yet with a 'feel' of all who were present. ... The experience of this was so exquisitely intimately deeply utterly private; so deeply just my own, yet completely belonging to each, separately, as an individual collective. This was the song--- I walked through a frame, dressed as a socialite Parisienne, white gloves, black hat perched and tipped, brought out' my Moment. I can never ever forget it.

(music) Mona Lisa (Nat King Cole, lyrics on screen) [3:18] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c33w9Ar-U8

LYRICS:

Mona Lisa, Mona Lisa, men have named you
You're so like the lady with the mystic smile
Is it only 'cause you're lonely, they have blamed you
For that Mona Lisa strangeness in your smile?

Do you smile to tempt a lover, Mona Lisa?
Or is this your way to hide a broken heart?
Many dreams have been brought to your doorstep
They just lie there and they die there

Are you warm, are you real, Mona Lisa?
Or just a cold and lonely, lovely work of art?

Do you smile to tempt a lover, Mona Lisa?
Or is this your way to hide a broken heart?
Many dreams have been brought to your doorstep
They just lie there and they die there

Are you warm, are you real, Mona Lisa?
Or just a cold and lonely, lovely work of art?
Mona Lisa, Mona Lisa

Songwriters
WALTERS, RICKY M. L.
Published by
Lyrics © Universal Music Publishing Group, Sony/ATV Music Publishing LLC, Royalty Network, Warner/Chappell Music, Inc., EMI Music Publishing http://www.metrolyrics.com/mona-lisa-lyrics-nat-king-cole.html

MoonVirgo(9thinterc) Square MarsCancer
Mars Square Nodes
Pallas Sag 1st House
6th house Sun
Moon cj MC 7degrees 9th house side natal, 10th by geog location.