posted February 20, 2014 02:39 AM            

Probably a little of both... But I can say I wouldn't want to have my chart without my Sag moon and even Mercury.

I feel like I've been through a lot of sh*t but will always bounce back one way or another. Because I can put my faith in the "unknown" and even if that seems crazy it generally ends up working out

posted February 20, 2014 02:50 AM            

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Originally posted by FireMoon:
Fortunate or insane?

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I've only read this far, but

I've been blessed with it (from a stellium) but I've often asked myself the same question.

Now to read the rest.

posted February 20, 2014 02:59 AM            

Sure, my life isn't all planned out. I'm not working at advancing my career/finances/etc in a systematic way. But who cares? *I* don't want to live a life like that.

It seems to bother my friends and family though who have chosen a more (or rather very) structured life. They get annoyed when good things come to with out of the blue. One friend even tells me often that he loves my belief that "things will just work out" but he doesn't know how I can live like that.

Not that I don't worry. I do worry. But mostly because I'm impatient for things to happen NOW!

Wait, I have a Sag moon and Jupiter opp Saturn.... What's the problem?

posted February 20, 2014 03:14 AM            

I'm glad for it...I'd hate to be constantly depressed over my life as many are. Though really I wonder how much of that is agitated by people being so easily fooled by appearances (so they believe about everyone else finds it easy to get through life with no problems, I've lost count on the number of people who seem to believe that what's difficult for them personally is easy for everyone else), or because they mistake not being happy all the time as being depressed. In case you didn't know being happy all the time isn't healthy, it's called mania and it's just as dangerous as constant depression. (And that's not Sag either.)

What makes it hard for some people is they see it as irresponsibility, the failure to take life seriously, and being blind to the risks and pain of life. It's not that, I'm quite aware of just how bad life can get which is one reason why I appreciate what I have. Sag is perfectly capable of paying the bills and living up to responsibilities, even unpleasant ones, if not always with the best grace.

Perhaps the biggest problem from the PoV of others is that we're not inclined to wallow in self-pity while we don't understand why others don't crawl out of the mud. Yeah, I've fallen in the mud, so has my Sag dad and partner, plenty of times, we know it sucks, but we get up, brush it off, and move on and can probably find something to laugh about doing it. And it's not a belief that nothing bad could happen. I'm cynical about many things, so are the two Sags I just mentioned who I know all too well, but that doesn't mean we give up, we all have ways of dealing other than a prescription. And that's something that bothers many people who don't understand that kind of resilience, at least not in the same way they could with a determined Capricorn who grunts while stoically pushing that stone up the hill (meanwhile Sag just runs up the hill and finds a stone already there that can be pushed into position much more easily). They probably think we just believe everyone and God is our friend and would love for us to get a reality check. But we do get those reality checks, they knock us back into the mud, and we get right back up, shake it off, crack a joke, and keep on going.

posted February 20, 2014 01:29 PM            

I am one of those. The Sun is also in Sagittarius.

I think the most "optimistic" placements of Sagittarius are Moon, Mercury, Mars.

Mars in Libra connects to Uranus and Jupiter by sextile in Libra. I try to be more "even tempered" in my optimism. I don't get carried away easily these years.

Mars also connects to Mercury and Moon in Capricorn and Cancer respectively. So Mars is very busy as it is also the ruler of my Asc and the apex planet of the T-square.

My Libra Mars has to come through and ward off hysteria. It has to assist the Venus/Saturn conjunct in Scorpio in keeping extreme emotions in check.

Now, as much as I have optimism, I keep a clear perspective. Just wish I hand a handle on the Pluto in Scorpio singleton.

I know its supposed to be a "trans planet" or whatever, but the opposition it forms to my Asc makes it very personal and evident in my expression.

posted February 20, 2014 01:57 PM            

They are fun. I noticed this more with sag suns since the sun traditionally is a spiritual body.

posted February 20, 2014 02:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
I don't see sag is that optimistic.
I do see them as guru or religious types but its always about purity with them, right and wrong, heaven and hell, angel and demons .
Holier than u attitude even if they are not pure themselves.
Practice what you preach is another phrase for them too.

They are fun. I noticed this more with sag suns since the sun traditionally is a spiritual body.

I find pisces to be more optimistic in terms of their beliefs.
At least they don't think they are these guru types.
I find that guy drinking- preaching about morals/society at a bar really annoying lol..

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I guess I meant more in terms of taking risks that might seem rash or impulsive but having this sort of blind faith that things will work out, and then having other people watch in amazement when they do...

For example most people wouldn't just up and leave their lives/the state, country etc. for some new exciting opportunity, but Sag doesn't like to be held back by restrictive or depressing circumstances.. My Cap sun has the opposite problem lol but looking back when I've gone with my moon everything seems to fall into place for my Cap side as well

I will say afflicted Sag can be a nightmare tho in some cases.. Yeah mania, bi-polar (sag moon opposite gemini sun, saturn opp jupiter) aren't healthy lol. And also yes Sag can be preachy and it's annoying. But even that comes down to "believing" in something, that there are ways things could improve or there's some sort of possible utopia out there which is where the optimism (however realistic it may or may not be) comes in imo...

Anyway thanks for all your responses, I'm enjoying them! I'm using my phone but will come back to this thread and write more later...

posted February 20, 2014 02:41 PM            

which is sags only ruler.
See the correlation.

Pisces neptunians sort of believe others have to find faith themselves,

posted February 20, 2014 02:46 PM            

Neptune would be the missionaries that go around "helping" people but for religious/other agendas.

Jupiter/sags are the people who sit around and b*tch about it lol. Or do the same thing but with a humanitarian organization...

You can find either in both batches tho so idk

posted February 20, 2014 03:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
I don't see sag is that optimistic.
I do see them as guru or religious types but its always about purity with them, right and wrong, heaven and hell, angel and demons .
Holier than u attitude even if they are not pure themselves.
Practice what you preach is another phrase for them too.

They are fun. I noticed this more with sag suns since the sun traditionally is a spiritual body.

I find pisces to be more optimistic in terms of their beliefs.
At least they don't think they are these guru types.
I find that guy drinking- preaching about morals/society at a bar really annoying lol..

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We know very different Sags. I know none that are religious/guru types. Could just be the parts of the world we live in. I've never lived anywhere were people are particularly religious. I know the US has lots of religious types in certain parts of the country.

I'm internally optimistic. I just don't spout it out all over the place.

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Originally posted by summerlite:
Takes a Sag to understand Sag optimism.

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Preach!!

posted February 20, 2014 03:25 PM            

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Originally posted by summerlite:
Takes a Sag to understand Sag optimism.

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posted February 20, 2014 03:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Londongirl8:
My ex was a Sag and whilst I liked his positive attitude when things weren't going so well for him, I think there was also a false sense of optimism that made him lazy and lose focus

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Exactly! I've had relationships with two and have known others closely.

If only Sags understand it, maybe it's not real. It's false.
What I got was that they just figured things would magically fall into place. Sometimes a lack of concern where there maybe should be some.

posted February 20, 2014 03:56 PM            

i do however have moon conj neptune & opposite jupiter so there are bound to be fluctuations beyond the sag house.

i like to think i can bounce back eventually, all is forgotten type of recovery but usually have to hit a rock bottom to regain that innate spring.

posted February 20, 2014 04:59 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Perhaps the biggest problem from the PoV of others is that we're not inclined to wallow in self-pity while we don't understand why others don't crawl out of the mud. Yeah, I've fallen in the mud, so has my Sag dad and partner, plenty of times, we know it sucks, but we get up, brush it off, and move on and can probably find something to laugh about doing it. And it's not a belief that nothing bad could happen. I'm cynical about many things, so are the two Sags I just mentioned who I know all too well, but that doesn't mean we give up, we all have ways of dealing other than a prescription. And that's something that bothers many people who don't understand that kind of resilience, at least not in the same way they could with a determined Capricorn who grunts while stoically pushing that stone up the hill (meanwhile Sag just runs up the hill and finds a stone already there that can be pushed into position much more easily). They probably think we just believe everyone and God is our friend and would love for us to get a reality check. But we do get those reality checks, they knock us back into the mud, and we get right back up, shake it off, crack a joke, and keep on going.

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Exactly... People think Sags are too flighty and don't know how to stick with things, which can sometimes be true, but we also know when it's best to walk away from a situation that isn't working. Sometimes "running away" or improvising when things don't go according to plan is actually the smartest option lol. Problems and obstacles are a part of life but I also think having a sense of humor about things can make all the difference

Going off the Sag being preachy topic, I know I can and have some of those annoying qualities, but I know not to take it to extremes and I can also laugh about those kinds of things and at myself.. Part of the reason I kind of love the show Portlandia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCDbY_lXS5A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7VgNQbZdaw

posted February 20, 2014 06:05 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
The moon is included in my Sag stellium.

I'm glad for it...I'd hate to be constantly depressed over my life as many are. Though really I wonder how much of that is agitated by people being so easily fooled by appearances (so they believe about everyone else finds it easy to get through life with no problems, I've lost count on the number of people who seem to believe that what's difficult for them personally is easy for everyone else), or because they mistake not being happy all the time as being depressed. In case you didn't know being happy all the time isn't healthy, it's called mania and it's just as dangerous as constant depression. (And that's not Sag either.)

What makes it hard for some people is they see it as irresponsibility, the failure to take life seriously, and being blind to the risks and pain of life. It's not that, I'm quite aware of just how bad life can get which is one reason why I appreciate what I have. Sag is perfectly capable of paying the bills and living up to responsibilities, even unpleasant ones, if not always with the best grace.

Perhaps the biggest problem from the PoV of others is that we're not inclined to wallow in self-pity while we don't understand why others don't crawl out of the mud. Yeah, I've fallen in the mud, so has my Sag dad and partner, plenty of times, we know it sucks, but we get up, brush it off, and move on and can probably find something to laugh about doing it. And it's not a belief that nothing bad could happen. I'm cynical about many things, so are the two Sags I just mentioned who I know all too well, but that doesn't mean we give up, we all have ways of dealing other than a prescription. And that's something that bothers many people who don't understand that kind of resilience, at least not in the same way they could with a determined Capricorn who grunts while stoically pushing that stone up the hill (meanwhile Sag just runs up the hill and finds a stone already there that can be pushed into position much more easily). They probably think we just believe everyone and God is our friend and would love for us to get a reality check. But we do get those reality checks, they knock us back into the mud, and we get right back up, shake it off, crack a joke, and keep on going.

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Don't know how I missed this one. Excellent post. Very well put!!

posted February 20, 2014 06:08 PM            

But here is my view on it:
Everything works out, one way or another.
If you are worried about your job, for ex.
either you are going to get fired, or you won't. But one of the two is going to happen. So, what purpose does it serve to be slinking around, with a big black cloud over your head, bringing everyone down. I know that may sound insensitive, but it's LOGICAL darn it! It does absolutely NO good to worry, and it can cause stress, which is unhealthy. So, stop it.
Let things happen.
Let things unfold.
Live in the moment.
STOP trying to control the Universe and all the little peoples in it.

posted February 20, 2014 07:21 PM            

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Originally posted by GypseeWind:
I think Sag optimism is truly a gift. Now, if you ask those around me what they think of it, you may get varied responses.

But here is my view on it:
Everything works out, one way or another.
If you are worried about your job, for ex.
either you are going to get fired, or you won't. But one of the two is going to happen. So, what purpose does it serve to be slinking around, with a big black cloud over your head, bringing everyone down. I know that may sound insensitive, but it's LOGICAL darn it! It does absolutely NO good to worry, and it can cause stress, which is unhealthy. So, stop it.
Let things happen.
Let things unfold.
Live in the moment.
STOP trying to control the Universe and all the little peoples in it.

And yes, that was me preaching on things that I haven't completely mastered. But see a Sag will sit and discuss all this stuff with you for free instead of trying to sell it on youtube.

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posted February 20, 2014 11:07 PM            

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCDbY_lXS5A

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msEfgBfXAW0

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