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ScorpieScorp
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posted February 20, 2014 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpieScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,

I have Chiron in H9--as the handle to my bucket chart (H11-H4). It is also opposite my Venus and Uranus, square my Mars, sextile my Jupiter and trine my Saturn.

Anyone know what it means when Chiron is the handle? I'm thinking this is significant...

Thanks!

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posted February 20, 2014 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My husband has this in Aquarius, conjunct my sun-moon midpoint. I don't know how to describe it...he is probably more sensitive because of it, especially when it comes to issues of weirdness and acceptance.

His sun is conjunct Uranus which nicely matches Chiron Aquarius; he HAS had Uranian problems (too much eccentricity) but he also has Uranian strength: he's brilliant in many ways, and helps people by being so handy/resourceful/able to fix almost anything under the sun.

How they respond to him, as one who helps tremendously but is a strange kinda guy...that is an important theme in his life. Social issues are a key balance point for him.

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posted February 20, 2014 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The way you describe your chart though...are you sure it's a bucket? Having the handle in the 9H and another planet in the 11H seems too close for a bucket.

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posted February 20, 2014 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpieScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
The way you describe your chart though...are you sure it's a bucket? Having the handle in the 9H and another planet in the 11H seems too close for a bucket.

Hmm, not sure. I have planets from H11-H4 continuously--I thought for sure that was a bucket, no?

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posted February 20, 2014 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpieScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faith:
My husband has this in Aquarius, conjunct my sun-moon midpoint. I don't know how to describe it...he is probably more sensitive because of it, especially when it comes to issues of weirdness and acceptance.

His sun is conjunct Uranus which nicely matches Chiron Aquarius; he HAS had Uranian problems (too much eccentricity) but he also has Uranian strength: he's brilliant in many ways, and helps people by being so handy/resourceful/able to fix almost anything under the sun.

How they respond to him, as one who helps tremendously but is a strange kinda guy...that is an important theme in his life. Social issues are a key balance point for him.


Interesting, I also have Sun conjunct Uranus (H3)...oddly, sometimes I do feel out of place and eccentric--but one one looking at me would ever call me eccentric and I am a social butterfly--so have never really understood my Sun/Uranus.

I do have Saturn conjunct ASC--maybe that keeps me more reserved?

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posted February 21, 2014 02:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ScorpieScorp:
Hmm, not sure. I have planets from H11-H4 continuously--I thought for sure that was a bucket, no?

It seems like a bowl rather than a bucket.

I have a bucket, planets in 11-2 with Saturn in 7 as the anchor.

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posted February 21, 2014 03:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a bucket, chart, too, though I do not count Chiron or any asteroids.

planets are spread from Pluto on 9 Libra in 10th to Jupiter on 11 Pisces in 3rd (, and Saturn is the handle of it on 17 Cancer in 8th.

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posted February 21, 2014 03:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A Bucket Planetary Pattern (page 316 in You and the Universe) consists of all the planets except one within a 180° semicircle, the "Bowl", and the remaining planet, the “Handle,” positioned by itself in the remaining half of the chart. As with the Bowl Planetary Pattern, the two planets at the lips or rim of the Bowl may or may not be opposed; if they are, their opposition, as with the Bowl, is known as the “rim opposition.” In order to be considered a Bucket, the handle planet may not be conjunct either of the rim planets, nor may there be an open space exceeding 65° within the Bucket. If the handle planet is within 12° of either rim planet, the chart must be considered a Bowl. And if a second planet is conjunct the handle planet, the chart may still be classified as a Bucket pattern as long as the conjunction is within 3°. The presence of a T-square or grand cross in the Bucket adds organization and structural strength to the Bucket. Should either be present, be aware of its emphasis in quadrature (cardinal, fixed or mutable); that characterizes the mode in which the native approaches life and the issues symbolized by the Bucket. Information about quadrature emphasis is given in the page on T-squares.

The Handle Planet is the most important planet of the Bucket Pattern, focusing the energy of the nine Bowl planets and acting as their point of release, in a manner described by the sign and in the life arena described by the house of the Handle Planet. In the Bucket, the "cutting" planet (the clockwise planet in the rim opposition) is of secondary importance. With the Bucket Pattern one tends to direct his or her efforts towards a single purpose, and to emphasize self-projection.

If your Handle Planet is directly above the center of your Bowl, you are highly directed and can go to great lengths to achieve your goals. If a core opposition—an opposition from a planet in the center of the Bowl to the Handle planet—is also present, you have a great, single-minded ambition as well.

The Bucket is the second most frequently occurring of all the planetary patterns, and indicates an effective capacity for some special activity. Celebrities with Bucket Patterns are/were Mary Astor, James Blish, Carroll Burnett, Glen Campbell, Johnny Carson, Prince Charles, Ted Danson, Betty Davis, Mimi Farina, Joseph Fiennes, Bobbie Fischer, Peggy Fleming, Judy Garland, George Gershwin, John Glenn, Jean Harlow, Woody Herman, Jeremy Irons, Lyndon B. Johnson, John F. Kennedy, Kevin Kline, John Lennon, Kenny Loggins, Rod McKuen, Joni Mitchell, Marilyn Monroe, Wayne Newton, Jacqueline Kennedy-Onassis, Diana Ross, Elisabeth Kubler-Ross, Jane Russell, Theodore (Dr.) Seuss, Cat Stevens, Erich Von Stroheim, Jules Verne, George Wallace, Andy Warhol, Walt Whitman, Jonathan Winters and Ron Ziegler.

This Bucket-Planetary-Pattern page and much of this 550-page website are taken from You and the Universe, a handmade, individualized fine art astrology-mythology-astronomy book through which is woven each recipient's complete astrological reading.

http://www.myastrologybook.com/Bucket-planetary-pattern-astrology.htm

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ScorpieScorp
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posted February 21, 2014 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpieScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah yes--I mean Bowl. My chart is a Bowl--but there is no planet as a handle.

I do have Chiron as a handle...now that we have the cleared up--anyone have this/or be able to tell me what Chiron in this config means for me?

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