posted February 28, 2014 01:21 AM            

I ordered a 13-Sign, Sidereal Chart for fun to see how the planets play out with 13 signs included.

I find it interesting that there is 13 signs, yet only 12 houses. It makes sense that some signs are longer than others. (due to constellation size)
It must be really unique to be Scorpio-heavy in this chart, lol.

I think it sorta explains why I feel a very strong Virgo influence, even though in Tropical I only have a Virgo Sun with Ascendant's depositor there. But I do not relate to the Taurus Moon whatsoever. Gemini Moon fits me very well. The Leo Ascendant with the Sun in Leo I "guess" I can go with it - considering there's already a Virgo influence going on. But I feel the Sun in Virgo influence specifically more within me.
So I guess I would say overall, I relate to my Tropical Chart the best. (Well technically my Vedic Chart, but that's another story)
This was fun to see my 13-Sign Chart, though

I think having 13 signs and 12 houses "can" work, but there's a reason why there are 12 houses - because there are 12 signs! So I think there should be 13 houses as well if this chart were to become popular or widely used.

If anyone who knows PlutoFish here, you know he swears by Ophiuchus and the 13th-sign chart. Lol.
I wonder where he's been?

Anyway, in case this thread seems pointless, I have a question then.

Do you think that adding a 13th sign along with a 13th house in "SIDEREAL" Astrology could work? Or do you think adding another sign is pointless because a part of the constellation of Ophiuchus is right in between Scorpio and Sagittarius, hence, it is basically those two signs so there is no need?
Also, do you think Sidereal should integrate the actual constellation sizes like this one?
I personally am torn because it is technically a constellation that is on the ecliptic (well at least a part of it is), and in Sidereal, the fixed constellations are used, but right in between them, so... what are your opinions?

posted February 28, 2014 05:39 PM            

also there would be no house for opichus which again, dosen't make much sense as all the other signs have houses, what are opichus supposed to be so special?

posted February 28, 2014 08:53 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Where did you get that, John?

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posted February 28, 2014 08:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
If you figures the degrees in order to calculate this chart let me know. It's cool you bought it for science but I don't think we all need purchase it lol

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Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking of doing so I do not have to buy it. But I didn't know how many degrees each sign was, so it was quite difficult. I was trying to compare PlutoFish's chart (the 13 sign one he had on here before) with the Tropical wheel, starting a 0 degree Aries and then I was going to shift the planets about 23.45 degrees (Sidereal anyamasa).

This chart is hard to count the degrees because if you look at it, you will notice that the degrees seem to overlap and are not precise within a certain point.

I was also thinking of overlapping each chart on top of each other and make them transparent, but I do not know how to do that, if even possible on the computer. (I was going to overlap a 13-sign chart with my Tropical chart to see where the planets wold fall).
I could print them and then try to do it, but I don't have a printer. Or I can draw them, but I really suck at drawing, so it would not turn out well at all. I don't think it would even make a difference anyway since this chart isn't exactly precise in degrees, it seems.

posted March 01, 2014 03:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Celestica:
In my opinion adding another constellation is pointless, there are literally thousands of constellations in the night sky. I'm not 100% sure if the 12 in astrology are just the closest ones are just the first ones we spotted in antiquity, either way they work very well and trying to add all of them in would just derail the whole thing. I've looked up the 13th one (not even gonna try to spell that name) and I couldn't find much on people interpreting how it works in astrology, i.e. it's traits, what element is it, modality etc (Re-reading it that might sound a little negative, just being honest hehe)

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posted March 01, 2014 10:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Celestica:
Okay so I actually have no idea how many constellations there are but I decided to look it up and there are 88, not thousands lmao but still that would be about 4 degrees to each constellation if we added them all. Also the zodiac signs we use in astrology more or less line up with the ecliptic perfectly, although Ophiuchus does touch it as well, so I guess its an interesting thought experiment but yea it would really throw a wrench into the whole thing

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Yes, but I am talking about Sidereal. Tropical is just fine and doesn't need to be altered since it does not use the constellations.

Sidereal uses the constellations that touch the ecliptic, and part of Ophiuchus touches it, so it's an idea that Ophiuchus gives a supposed influence in Sidereal Astrology.

If the 12 constellations that are used as signs in Sidereal Astrology do not line-up with the ecliptic perfectly, then this gives more of a reason to include Ophiuchus.

posted March 02, 2014 06:51 AM            

I'm a Sag (4) planets with lots of Scorpio influence (2+ Asc) all of this in H1/2. So reading about Ophiuchus I feel it very much is me. However I think this is only because Ophiuchus is in itself a mixture of Sag/Scorpio.

So I'm not sure it adds value.