posted March 04, 2014 01:00 AM            

"Sometime after my fifth birthday, when my mother showed me a picture of a reversible drawing in a puzzle book – Rubin’s vase – I might really have made her see things clearly the way I did. You could make things shift in your mind and see there was a larger, brighter world hanging on the outside edge of this one. You could see there were invisible designs at the heart of everything! Instead, she tried to make me see – which blinded me for years.

When she asked if I saw the white vase with the black background, I nodded. Who didn’t, right? Equally clearly I saw two black faces staring at each other in front of a white background, only I didn’t mention it because I’d already learned the hard way to be careful about telling her everything I saw. I’d seen her look at me as if I were some weird creature from another corner of the universe often enough.
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“But I saw those right away!” I exclaimed.

“Don’t you lie to me! You would have told me if you did.”

How cheated I felt! Not only had I seen those stupid faces from the beginning, but for as long as I could remember I’d been doing this same kind of thing, not with a silly drawing of a vase, but with everything – with objects, with events – far more complicated than that stupid drawing.
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Blurring my eyes, or rather, blurring my mind, is what did it. When I stopped listening to words, then spaces became solid, more solid than objects. And what had been solid before became transparent. Fluid. Alive.

posted March 04, 2014 01:23 AM            

I do relate to some of the story, I'm sure it's more drastic with you as you see the world through Neptune eyes, I only think through Neptune!

I would love to trade you for a week or two n see the world how you see it!!

posted March 04, 2014 02:15 AM            

My neptune/asc is conjunct in capricorn so I think for me there is a great sense of objectivity to my visual analysis, i've spent a lot of time as a kid analyzing and "playing" with the images that came out of my eyes, for example the way images change when you close one eye or the other, or how the halo around the edge of light will change shape if you squint your eyes. A lot of it was stretching the boundaries of what my mind could do to my vision, like laying down and looking at a door and seeing my mind expand it to make it look larger or smaller, but realizing that the door in reality never moves or changes shape.

Lots of other things like phosphene lights and etc, but there is one instance I remember very vividly when I was a child, being very excited for a cat simulator game (wasnt allowed to have pets due to asthma), I was so excited that my mom was going to get me this game that i would literally see cats everywhere, the memory that stands out in my mind was looking at a tissue box with a floral pattern on it and seeing vivid images of cats being made out of the floral patterns. It was this experience along with many others that made me realize two things

1. People do not see the same things that you see, I eventually went on to become an artist and my ability to draw still life in photorealistic detail confirmed to me that I was indeed observing reality while other children would tell me they couldn't see the same things I was seeing, even if they were objectively real, but just far away... very confusing to be told you are not seeing something that is in fact real, especially when you are aware of the fact that your mind is able to play games with your vision.

2. Your mind literally affects the images and the reality that you do see. Just like the cats in the tissue box, if you are excited or obsessing over something, it may literally change the shape of the way you view things, much in the same way music or sounds on the radio will sound like they said something that you have been thinking about, when in reality they said something else and it is your mind that alters what you hear at times, like when you are in love and can't stop thinking about someone that every image or song seems to be about them somehow.

posted March 04, 2014 02:37 AM            

Obviously, you are much more open to things and that's why you see more!
We set out own limits with our beliefs and our fears....if we could let go of one or both an entire world would open up to us of new possibilities to explore!!

posted March 04, 2014 03:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Obviously, you are much more open to things and that's why you see more!
We set out own limits with our beliefs and our fears....if we could let go of one or both an entire world would open up to us of new possibilities to explore!!

That's why I say I'd love to see the world through your eyes, I bet it's an amazing place compared to what most see!!

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you would probably be seeing UFOs, gnome spirits and inter-dimensional beings then too :3 through which the imagination becomes the gate to communication

I think you may find this experiment interesting as well. To put it shortly, kittens were raised in a condition where their only visual stimulus was either a horizontal line, or a vertical line in an all white room, and when they became adults they examined their behavior to notice that the cats that were raised with only horizontal stimulus would have a hard time recognizing or responding to objects that appeared in the vertical plane, and vice versa with the cats raised in an environment with only a vertical stimulus. Meaning that the cats behaved as if they could only see things in the plane of orientation that they were raised to see in.

Link to study: http://phy.ucsf.edu/~idl/CV/Stryker_PhysiologicalConsequences_JNS_1978.pdf

This makes one wonder how much the early environment that we are raised in influences the development of our 5 tangible senses and the perception of reality for the rest of our lives. (The 3rd house being the early environment and perception again interesting to note)

When I was young, or for my entire life rather, I had a sleep issue where my biological clock has been way off from normal people, and when I was a toddler I would sleep in my parents bed in between the both of them, however I could not fall asleep, and so instead I would stare up into the pitch black darkness of the night for hours upon hours, entertaining myself with subtle lights of my mind that I would create moving pictures out of, the phenomenon knows as "phosphene lights" defined by the perception of light without light entering the retina. I think it was due to this frequent daily experience I had when I was younger that lead to my clairvoyance when I became older and more experienced.

posted March 04, 2014 03:20 AM            

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Originally posted by arcturiann:

When I was young, or for my entire life rather, I had a sleep issue where my biological clock has been way off from normal people, and when I was a toddler I would sleep in my parents bed in between the both of them, however I could not fall asleep, and so instead I would stare up into the pitch black darkness of the night for hours upon hours, entertaining myself with subtle lights of my mind that I would create moving pictures out of, the phenomenon knows as "phosphene lights" defined by the perception of light without light entering the retina. I think it was due to this frequent daily experience I had when I was younger that lead to my clairvoyance when I became older and more experienced.

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I used to do it as well. Then I kind of blocked it out. It has returned again, it feels weird now.

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Originally posted by arcturiann:

As I came to acceptance with my empath nature, I started to notice how the visual perception of the people around me also alters my own vision as well. For example with my mother, whom I am strongly empathic/telepathic with, sometimes while driving with her in the car I can tell what objects she notices and what she notices about the features of those objects, like a person in the distance who I could tell she thought was our dad the other day (even though it was a woman walking a dog, when we don't even have a dog) I could tell that she thought that about the woman even though I would have never thought it looked like my dad myself LOL. I could tell peoples opinions about art, outfits or images, waiting for them to say it before I do to confirm the inclinations. In that way I slowly came to notice how other peoples perception of conscious reality altered my own surrounding me.

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posted March 04, 2014 03:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Interesting!! I've done things like before also, I can feel ppls feelings like they speak to me, the more intense or defined the feeling is, the louder it is in my head!
It used to be very confusing to me because so few ppl are aware of their feelings, what they say is very different than what they feel!
I learned to discredit what jumped out at me because it always seemed to be wrong. It's only been as I got older I realized what I heard wasn't wrong, it's them that wasn't aware of or they chose not to honor their feelings!

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posted March 04, 2014 03:39 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
I can relate so much , when I connect with people on a deep level I can feel what they are feeling, pick up their thoughts and sometimes I can even feel what non-living objects feel(especially my phone, maybe it's because I've built some sort of bond with it). It happens unconsciously with me though, I can't do it whenever I want to.

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Interesting! It's always so weird to feel things from inanimate objects. I had damaged an old phone once and used my aunts old phone as a replacement for a while and I felt all sorts of crazy coming from that thing LOL.

I too had also lost that ability with the phosphene lights when I got older, I actually remember the last instance I had seen it when it appeared to me like fireworks shooting across the room, as if to stick in my memory. It came back around 2008 on a very strange day I had after I looked at the sun and then meditated on the after image I saw burned under my eyelids (don't worry I did not look at it directly )

posted March 04, 2014 03:56 AM            

I don't see furnitures morphing in my home but sometimes I notice far away buildings looking like a certain animal or item. Pallas rule pattern recognition. My Pallas is in Capricorn, which is more sensitive towards structures.

I looked up Salvador Dalí's art and they're a delight for Neps. Not sure whether his Nep cjt ASC but he has Neptune opposite Uranus. His Pallas is in Scorpio, which is good for art.

posted March 04, 2014 03:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Interesting!! What exactly is the phosphorous light? I have had many times in a completely dark room I start seeing lights?? Is that the same thing? I had always thought it was my eyes playing tricks on me?

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Phosphene lights are defined by the phenomenon of seeing light without light actually entering the eye, its a strange but very real phenomenon that I have been studying for a while in hopes of understanding clairvoyance and it is very much like the lights you see in a completely dark room I am not sure whether it is your eyes or the mind playing the tricks, but I do know after much practice as a child I would be able to manipulate the lights to see actual images and pictures. The things kids will do to stay entertained lmao
More info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphene

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I've done other things, like i can feel ppls feelings like they speak to me, the more intense or defined the feeling is, the louder it is in my head!
It used to be very confusing to me because so few ppl are aware of their feelings, what they say is very different than what they feel!
I learned to discredit what jumped out at me because it always seemed to be wrong. It's only been as I got older I realized what I heard wasn't wrong, it's them that wasn't aware of or they chose not to honor their feelings were saying!

I believe the majority of ppl are do out of rich with their feelings they have no idea what they emotionally need and they say whatever is politically correct or serves their purpose rather than their heart!
It's sad!!
It's taken me a long time to realize things like this are real....it's not magic or anything special it's just being aware of how to use all your senses!
It's energy that we are reading, just like our noses sense smells, our eyes sense visions before they manifest as a tangible thing we can touch in front of us, our hearts sense energy before it manifests in front of us!
I think having an easy flow with sensing these things is Neptune's gift!!
Your very fortunate to have it in such a prominent place!!

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Oh man, you know exactly how it has been then. I wrote a very long post about it on one of the threads here about being bullied that I eventually deleted, but it made for a very very confusing childhood growing up when you could sense people feeling one way and then see them say or act in a different way. I always had issue with kids who had some sort of trauma at home or some kind of emotional problems which they would see reflected in me somehow due to the neptune ascendant, its as if the fact that I was empathic became visible or obvious somehow in a way that would result in emotionally damaged people taking out their anger in me because of this sort of mirroring empathy. I didn't have anything else all that weird or strange about me, in appearance or otherwise, so I always wondered why I would be targetted by these people for seemingly no reason when there were plenty of other "weird" people with obvious flaws that they could be picking on. Sometimes its like that dissasociated feeling that you have when you think of something super embarassing and you just want to shove that thought all the way back down into the recesses of your mind, that was how I felt like people would treat me because my presence somehow reminded them of their emotional confusion or trauma.

Life has definitely started to make more sense as I came to acceptance with my empathy, once you are in acceptance of it instead of telling yourself that you are paranoid or being illogical, you can then refine the ability and test yourself to see when and where your own perceptions do infact get in the way. My biggest issue has been in dealing with manipulative people who I just know are trying to use me or my friends/family, acting one way with a smile on their face but with venom in their hearts. The challange was always in trying to prove to others that your insight is real, people would end up seeing me as the bad guy if I vocalized my hunches, telling me I was paranoid or that I was just jealous of someone, so i've learned when and where to keep my mouth shut and to quietly observe and use what I learn to help people in more covert ways.

posted March 04, 2014 04:15 AM            

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Originally posted by arcturiann:

I too had also lost that ability with the phosphene lights when I got older, I actually remember the last instance I had seen it when it appeared to me like fireworks shooting across the room, as if to stick in my memory. It came back around 2008 on a very strange day I had after I looked at the sun and then meditated on the after image I saw burned under my eyelids (don't worry I did not look at it directly )

Phosphene lights are defined by the phenomenon of seeing light without light actually entering the eye, its a strange but very real phenomenon that I have been studying for a while in hopes of understanding clairvoyance and it is very much like the lights you see in a completely dark room I am not sure whether it is your eyes or the mind playing the tricks, but I do know after much practice as a child I would be able to manipulate the lights to see actual images and pictures. The things kids will do to stay entertained lmao
More info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphene

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I thought I had eye problems, lol.

I can see them but I can't manipulate them. Sometimes I move them around the room, use my imagination and create stories about them, that's all.

posted March 04, 2014 05:51 AM            

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Originally posted by arcturiann:
Oh man, you know exactly how it has been then. I wrote a very long post about it on one of the threads here about being bullied that I eventually deleted, but it made for a very very confusing childhood growing up when you could sense people feeling one way and then see them say or act in a different way. I always had issue with kids who had some sort of trauma at home or some kind of emotional problems which they would see reflected in me somehow due to the neptune ascendant, its as if the fact that I was empathic became visible or obvious somehow in a way that would result in emotionally damaged people taking out their anger in me because of this sort of mirroring empathy. I didn't have anything else all that weird or strange about me, in appearance or otherwise, so I always wondered why I would be targetted by these people for seemingly no reason when there were plenty of other "weird" people with obvious flaws that they could be picking on. Sometimes its like that dissasociated feeling that you have when you think of something super embarassing and you just want to shove that thought all the way back down into the recesses of your mind, that was how I felt like people would treat me because my presence somehow reminded them of their emotional confusion or trauma.

Life has definitely started to make more sense as I came to acceptance with my empathy, once you are in acceptance of it instead of telling yourself that you are paranoid or being illogical, you can then refine the ability and test yourself to see when and where your own perceptions do infact get in the way. My biggest issue has been in dealing with manipulative people who I just know are trying to use me or my friends/family, acting one way with a smile on their face but with venom in their hearts. The challange was always in trying to prove to others that your insight is real, people would end up seeing me as the bad guy if I vocalized my hunches, telling me I was paranoid or that I was just jealous of someone, so i've learned when and where to keep my mouth shut and to quietly observe and use what I learn to help people in more covert ways.

I find as time goes on and my own acceptance of the phenomenon, as well as other peoples acceptance of the phenomenon on a global level will hopfully lead us one step closer to an empathic/telepathic/psychic society where people are able to feel and sense eachother and their real motives easier and less words and complications are needed to get a point or idea across, with less deception and confusion. I notice that a lot of people around me are starting to feel this phenomenon getting stronger and stronger and some of them are adapting better whereas others attempt to keep developing defenses against it by distracting themselves with material pursuits or other shiny objects . It's definitely awesome when you meet other self aware folks though :3. more peaceful, less competitive relations since it is hard to hide things from empaths LOL

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They didn't think you were weird.....they could feel you seeing through them, they knew you knew what they were trying to deny and hide from themselves and everyone else!
You exposed them, of course they wanted you feeling so insecure because you made them feel insecure, they didn't know why or what was happening, totally unconscious but they wanted you to stop doing what you were doing!
But at the same time, what were you doing?
They didn't even know why they didn't like you!!

I see it changing to, I never speak of the things I sense...it makes you a target with the majority of ppl who are not ready to face themselves and start seeing the world as it really is....a place full of love, if you chose it....but if you do that means you are able to choose it!
Most cannot love themselves enough to be able to see they deserve love and have it give if they chose....takes us back to the first topic of what we are able to see is based on what we are taught to see! Our beliefs give us sight or make us blind!
Many are not ready to see so when they meet the ones that have sight, they fear them and want to make them quit being able to see by telling them all sorts of negative things to hurt and shut the seer down! It's all done out of fear! Sad for them!!

I never thought about this until just now, my Pluto is on my AC by a couple degrees...my 3rd house saggy Neptune is sextile libra Pluto by 0.08 degree.

I guess Neptune is coming through to my AC...plus Neptune trines aries Jupiter!

Hmmmm, that explains a lot!

posted March 04, 2014 05:56 AM            

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Hah, I've faced that problem too. Sometimes I have to respond to what they're feeling, sometimes I have to respond to their words, oh well. I can do it online as well, I just feel out posts, messages, pick up vibes.

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Lol... I know what you mean!! I can feel posts sometimes to, I'm not sure if the person resonates with me or they were just very emotional when writing the post? Not sure what makes the difference?

posted March 04, 2014 06:00 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
I thought I had eye problems, lol.

I can see them but I can't manipulate them. Sometimes I move them around the room, use my imagination and create stories about them, that's all.

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posted March 04, 2014 06:01 AM            

When I was a child I would tell my mother that I would LOVE to be able to see into other people`s head, not just know what they are thinking, but see things through their eyes, feel things like they do, (as I noticed that even though we both might define something as "red", it might look a little differently to each of us - how else would there be difference in taste? If we saw it all the same way, wouldn´t we all either hate or love the colour?)

Anyway my mom told me that I should be glad I couldn´t do that, that sometimes it is better to NOT know what is behind other people`s heads.

(she is a Scorpio, she always picks up on the dark thoughts of others. Always. She just seems to know or sense these things about someone, except for some rare occasions).

Thing is if I see someone getting cut for example, I jerk, cause I feel the cut (like a phantom-pain), and it makes my insides clench, literally physically clench.

I also relate to see patterns where othrs might not see them.

There was a time when everyone would stare at these 3-D pictures to see what is hidden behind it, and I know several ones who coudln`t see it. Who just could´t. They would strain their eyes, until they popped out and got all red, and still not see a damned thing.

And I was just wondering what the fuss was about. It had taken me more effort to JUST see what is on the surface, that which all people see and not simultaneously see the image behind it too clearly.

Well my mom thinks or thought that it had to do with the corneal irregularity of my eyes.
Maybe she is right about that.

posted March 04, 2014 06:19 AM            

I know exactly what you mean.

The surface is what is confusing me.

And as weird as it sounds, my development runs seemingly backwards.

I always was striving for meaningfulness, maybe living too much within my inner world, my mind or whatever, and rejecting adapting to external standards.

But as of now I find it an exciting challenge to experience the "superficial things that matter", including becoming so much more conscious about the way I look or what impression I evoke or want to evoke. Things that never had any meaning for me (or maybe I just didn`t think I could ever get what I wanted in this regard. You know if you never fight, noone can say you lost, right?).

It sometims feels like I am coming from a spiritual-intellectual dimension into a more physical-body-oriented one.

It is a weird experience, like suddenly noticing that this thing is not just a cage to keep my soul from flying away, but that it actually is part of the whole package.

I don`t know, sounds weird I guess, but that is where I am at.

And as strange as it sounds, getting into the lofty heights of spirit and intellect and whatever, makes one just as lopsided, onesided, as focusing TOTALLY on external factors.

They both have their meaning and significance, and both need to be nurtured and cherished.

posted March 04, 2014 07:37 AM            

I let my kids borrow my body for awhile to....they zapped all my nutrients and stole the calcium from my bones and one nearly killed me, but it was worth it to give them the time they needed to grow to be strong enough to survive without me 100% supporting their life force!

Unfortunately we also are being kind of hard on our mom as she carries us!!
Dad gave his spirit to mom, and it's from her our physical bodies are created....through her experience we able to grow!
She is kind enough to support our life as we grow to become strong enough to stand on our own after being exposed to the knowledge that allows us to become like God .... "knowing good and evil" aka knowing love and fear.
Without knowing this how else can we give glory to our father, if he has to carry us we are not choosing to honor him, we don't know anything else...that's not giving him glory or honor!
We must chose to do it ourselves, of our own free will! We must be exposed to the other options in order to chose which side we are on!!
Do we want to be like God, be of love or be of fear...and let our love be extinguished by the fear?
That's the question someday we will answer!

Eventually we will be strong enough that Mother Earth can release us, cut the umbilical cord because we will not need to be rely on her any longer to sustain our life after we were a tiny spec or seed taken from our father God and put in our mothers safe keeping and allowed to grow into our own life force.
We will know love and fear and eventually prove to be strong enough to chose which we can to embody!
Once we are ready we will be born into a spiritual life, standing on our own, being like of father God, but still nothing more than a speck of his energy that he gave Mother Earth that together allowed us to grow into our own unique expression of our fathers love!
God will proud to say these are my children, everyone will see his beauty shining through us!

Ok so I don't know where that came from but I guess it's my little theory, sorry I ramble on!! Lol

But yes, appreciation for our bodies is imperative and enjoying them to because they are a gift on loan from our mom and If they are not beautiful it because we haven't appreciates them like we should! To compare bodies, to put others down because they aren't this or that...is just part of the fear that some want to feed, you have to overlook those ppls insecurities and see how beautiful you are no matter what!! Then go doll it up and show it off, because we are not going to be here forever so you should enjoy it while you have it!! Lol

posted March 04, 2014 11:48 AM            

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Lol... I know what you mean!! I can feel posts sometimes to, I'm not sure if the person resonates with me or they were just very emotional when writing the post? Not sure what makes the difference?

Sometimes in person I also will respond to what I feel without realizing they didn't say anything...ugh!!!
I just did that a few days ago with someone, I realized they hadn't said anything when they were quiet and I looked up and they had a really strange look on their face and said how did you know that?
I was able to play it off....but I hate that!!

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I don't know, hmm I've actually never thought about it from that point of view. Maybe them being emotional does make a difference, I can feel it easily when things get heated up.

I tend to do that, makes me feel very awkward.

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That's kind of cool...do you ever write stories or keep a journal about what you feel or experience?

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posted March 04, 2014 12:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
It sometims feels like I am coming from a spiritual-intellectual dimension into a more physical-body-oriented one.

It is a weird experience, like suddenly noticing that this thing is not just a cage to keep my soul from flying away, but that it actually is part of the whole package.

I don`t know, sounds weird I guess, but that is where I am at.

And as strange as it sounds, getting into the lofty heights of spirit and intellect and whatever, makes one just as lopsided, onesided, as focusing TOTALLY on external factors.

They both have their meaning and significance, and both need to be nurtured and cherished.

Mind, body, soul.
Neglecting one makes one in-complete.
If there was no use for the body, we wouldn´t have been given one.

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Definitely a great point! after all the mind does exist partly in the flesh, studying neuroscience has definitely opened my eyes to how connected our minds and bodies really are. After all, it is my belief that we still exist in the spiritual dimension while in these vehicles, where in the spaces between atoms that our eyes cannot see, our body communicates instantaneously with the entire universe through the aether, the vacuum energy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy

As if when we die we return to "all", as the energy that once fueled life in our cells fades away like vapor into the air, the aether, the vacuum, where all things are connected through space and time