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posted March 14, 2014 10:50 AM            

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A mother that isn't good at nurturing, be stable and listen to their child…?

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posted March 15, 2014 12:15 AM            

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I know a mom like that. Dont really know her chart but she's an aquarius with a taurus moon. She puts her kids down every chance she gets and yet expects them to take care of her. Told her only daughter she didn't even want a daughter...

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posted March 15, 2014 12:16 AM            

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My mom has a Virgo moon and she always says she is not a nurturer.
She has a twelfth house moon conjunct Mars and Neptune though. Mercury also. She has a pile up of planets in the twelfth house and Cancer Saturn conjunct MC along with an impatient Leo sun just riding the cusp of Virgo.
So, it could be a combination, not just one placement.
And I know someone else with similar moon conjunctions in Scorpio except for Mercury who confesses she doesn't like children but she's a mother. She is also a Leo sun. And I know a third Leo sun who confessed to not liking children and she has none, never wanted any and avoids them. Not sure of her exact birth date.
My experience with these Leo suns is they enjoy being the one who is childlike, with all the attention one would get from parents, their entire lives, not just during their youth. All of them crave that parental attention and get jealous and resentful when they have to share it with anyone else. I have noticed they can get jealous of the attention children have from others.

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posted March 15, 2014 12:55 AM            

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Afflicted moon, afflicted fourth ?

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posted March 15, 2014 01:19 AM            

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I'm not a big fan of retrograde Venus - when it comes to ability to nurture kids and connect on an emotional level.
Obviously it's not always the case though. I've met exceptions.. but generally when I meet a retro Venus they have an impenetrable wall up.

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posted March 15, 2014 01:31 AM            

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I know you said not all.But I have a retro venus and I love kids.Their the only humans I can show affection to.
I do have a packed 5th house.Maybe that's why.

The funny thing is,I don't think I'm ever gonna have any.That's life sometimes.

On topic.The only person I know who I think should never have had a kid is a cancer moon.She believes in hitting as a form of discipline.I don't.So I guess just different parenting styles.

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posted March 15, 2014 01:55 AM            

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Interesting enough, I've heard of mothers who were very nurturing to one child while hateful to another. In some cases one child was picked out to abuse while other cases only one was favored, and other times the mother would change favorites (perhaps just to keep her children from every trusting each other and as a sadistic mind game). I suppose synastry could play a role in some of that, but it can't explain it all (and I suspect in some cases one is favored just to torment the others more, even the one favored will know the hatred of siblings).

Of course other reasons also exist: some mothers can be cold or worse to children that aren't theirs (that come with a new husband), may prefer one gender over another, may not like the biological father (especially in cases of rape), and reasons more complex. And then I've heard of how psyche meds have changed mothers, one friend of mine was nearly murdered by her mother on such drugs who had a drastic personality change (not even a psychotic episode like that mother who drowned her children in a tub one by one). Heck, giving birth can drastically alter the body's chemistry which can create extreme (and often destructive) personality changes that take a couple of years to fully recover from (in which case she might already be giving birth to someone else before she can) and what's done in those times might forever sour a relationship between mother and child.

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posted March 15, 2014 02:10 AM            

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I'm trying to think of aspects that might be particular warning signs but I'm having trouble with it. A lot of aspects that could mean that are a potentiality rather than a certainty, and they're potential for different reasons. Some may want kids just for the attention of being pregnant, to fulfill family obligations and pressure, an attempt to try to force or fix a marriage, patriotism (some think whites, Americans, etc, need to "breed faster" and while most with this attitude have been men in my experience, one woman did try to guilt me into motherhood this way as well, and presumably why she herself had kids), or even religious reasons (not only is "sex for procreation only" but I've met a couple of women who take 1 Timothy 2:15 of the Bible very literally and fear dying without giving birth, one who tried to pressure me to hurry up and have kids for that reason). All these different reasons would indicate different placements...and none of these reasons bode well for a child or make a good foundation for a happy childhood.

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posted March 15, 2014 02:11 AM            

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My mom is not nurturing.

Although she has sun in cancer, she is not. She is just overprotective wirrational fear: the worst aspect of cancer without the good nurturing side.

She has moon in sagittarius, squaring her pisces mars, and opposing her gemini venus. Destructive T square.

She is always critical, always unsatisfied, always putting down, always angry, always fighting, and self centered.

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posted March 15, 2014 04:02 AM            

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In my opinion, a mother who cannot nurture her children, is not gonna be a good mother. She might be there for them, supply them with their daily needs. However, a true mother will kiss the cut knee, she will curl her child close while laying on the couch, she will tell the child all the time that she loves him.

A child is very delicate and simple. They want to feel loved and a true mother will always be reminding her child that she loves him.

Any woman that can insult their child, is not a mother. My children's mother is physically and mentally abusive towards them. Puts her boyfriend of the week before them and had even allowed one of her boyfriends to abuse my daughter.

It's for this reason that I'm now my children's father and mother. Unfortunately, their real mother have up on the a long time ago.

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posted March 15, 2014 05:11 AM            

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Originally posted by ash20:
I know a mom like that. Dont really know her chart but she's an aquarius with a taurus moon. She puts her kids down every chance she gets and yet expects them to take care of her. Told her only daughter she didn't even want a daughter...

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Sounds like my mom. She admitted she has no patience for children. Boy was she a nasty piece of work growing up with. Though she essentially abandoned me as a kid, she genuinely believes I'm somehow responsible for her (Leo moon). Funny thing is she was living at home off her parents till age 30, only left because was kicked out & in dramatic fashion - I "stayed" behind.

She's a Scorpio - Leo.

I have Moon sq Saturn. Our progressed Suns are opposed.

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posted March 15, 2014 05:44 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Interesting enough, I've heard of mothers who were very nurturing to one child while hateful to another. In some cases one child was picked out to abuse while other cases only one was favored, and other times the mother would change favorites (perhaps just to keep her children from every trusting each other and as a sadistic mind game). I suppose synastry could play a role in some of that, but it can't explain it all (and I suspect in some cases one is favored just to torment the others more, even the one favored will know the hatred of siblings)

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Yeah I think synastry can show a lot too.. My moms Mars-Pluto conjunct my IC, her Uranus and Saturn square my Moon, Mars square Mercury, my Venus is unaspected... My dads Pluto squares my Moon, his Uranus squares my Mars, and his Neptune squares my Venus.

Aside from synastry though I look more like my mom, my sister looks like my dad.. Even though being around her was basically hell my mom still "preferred" me and my dad preferred my sister, treated us completely differently... Also my dad and sister have Leo Venus, my mom and I have Aqua Venus. So messed up lol

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posted March 15, 2014 06:04 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Some may want kids just for the attention of being pregnant, to fulfill family obligations and pressure, an attempt to try to force or fix a marriage

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Also, yes... That's why I resent my Cancer Asc putting my Cap planets in 7th. It was never about actually wanting kids, I was just supposed to fulfill some ridiculous "family image" and make sure my dad would commit (didn't work anyway...) And what annoys me the most is my mom is a Pisces Sun, Libra Moon. Sounds really sweet right... lol no she's basically the ultimate martyr. We also have sun square moon DW

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posted March 15, 2014 07:53 AM            

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Moon conjunct Nessus. My Mother has it, ******* annoying.

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posted March 15, 2014 07:53 AM            

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saturn conjunct moon 4th house
I was not nurtured

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posted March 15, 2014 10:17 AM            

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My sister was not a good mom, she did favor one child over the other. She is a Leo ASC, Virgo Sun, Aries Moon with a huge 2nd house stellium, Mars in 3rd house. She would yell at them all the time, and she never was a nurturer. If my niece try to get hugs she would complain that she was being too clingy...my niece has a Libra Moon so of course she needed affection from her mom. My sister did some not too nice things as a mother that I will not go into. I would think her Moon conjunct Jupiter would have helped, but no.

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posted March 15, 2014 11:17 AM            

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I had an abusive mother and I just pulled her natal charts and she has a lot of elements I don't have. How can I do a synastry with explanation?

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Pisces Sun, Leo Moon, Libra Rising.

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posted March 15, 2014 04:39 PM            

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Well my mother is an Aquarius Sun, Pisces Moon and Taurus AC. She's very nurturing, on the highest level, plus worried all the time that nothing bad will happen to us. Her combo is really weird for being too nurturing. I believe this has to do more with the culture, country you grow up and how your parents behave and less with Astrology. Greek mothers for example are very nurturing and over-protective that sometimes you get angry lol!

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posted March 17, 2014 02:53 AM            

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I'm not sure if you're asking for the aspect in the mother or the child's chart that would conduce to that kind of behavior. Anyhow, it's much easier to discern in the child's chart, in which case:

Hard Moon/Saturn, Moon/Uranus Moon/Pluto aspects, especially when the signs Cancer, Virgo or Capricorn are involved. Also look for the outer planets in the 4th House.

Oh, and Moon in 12th House is telltale inept mother.

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posted March 17, 2014 02:58 AM            

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My mom technically should not be nurturing based on her chart oh wait she had Venus conjunct Ceres exact.idk about culture my libra grandmother was middle eastern and not that nurturing with her kids so much for culture. Asian parents can be even crueler .

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posted March 17, 2014 09:32 AM            

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I have Saturn conjunct vertex sitting right on my IC. And this conjuncts Pluto. All these are in my Libra fourth house. Jupiter is also in my fourth house(Scorpio).
My son has a 12th house Aries moon. Will I abuse my son? Nooo . Yuck. I know what it Is to go through abuse. I think free will and genuine love and affection play a great role. I have met a Pisces sun lady who was very selfish and abusive(depending on her moon).I have also met a cancer sun lady who was verbally abusive towards her baby. One thing I know for sure is just cuz somebody has sun in a water sign doesn't mean they are gonna be great mommy material.

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