posted March 25, 2014 11:53 PM            

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Originally posted by HiddenAries:
Would this be considered a twin flame relationship?:

[IMG]http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag371/rickysbobbies/composite_chart_zpsca9a e988.gif[/IMG]

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There is potential due to the highly condensed nature. Regardless, that alone indicates there is a strong focus for it. These relationships are more likely to manifest due to the intense 'focus' of the energies.

posted March 26, 2014 12:17 AM            

I'd have to say it's inconclusive. Requires much deeper investigation. There's potential, but I'd need to see certain things. It's already semi-passing some, but not others.

For example:

The high concentration indicates this is definitely a very significant soul-connexion.

VALENTINE-DSC is a clear romantic dynamic.
PLUTO-VENUS-EROS denotes a strong sexuality, soulful romanticism.
DESTINN-MC (angular) furthers the fatedness.

The MOON and SUN being in the same sign is hopeful, too.

In what house is the SCO stellium happening? I don't have house cusps.

- where is ALMA (390)?
- where is the VERTEX?
- where are KAALI (4227) and RUDRA (2629)?
- where are SIVA (1170) and PARVATI (2847)?

Do you have any ISIS-OSIRIS connexions in synastry? Or PSYCHE and EROS? Or the other soulmate pairings?

While a very strong composite can sometimes be definitive without supporting synastry, it has to be VERY strong.

There are definitely several very strong things here, but they could also be clearly indicative of high-level Soulmates, rather than Twin Flames.

posted March 26, 2014 01:04 AM            

new composite:[IMG]http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag371/rickysbobbies/newcomposite_zps 1eb1fbc4.gif[/IMG]

synastry(i'm red):[IMG]http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag371/rickysbobbies/synastry12_zpsc69d727b. gif[/IMG]

In the composite chart I was wondering if the critical degrees from planets Mercury and Saturn,and the asteroids Ceres, Osiris, Chiron(?), and Alma(?) are of any importance.

In synastry there is a 4 planet stellium involving the Sun, Jupiter, Mercury, and Venus overlaying the others 12th house. There are also conjunctions involving Eros/Psyche asteriods:

Psyche Conjunct Jupiter in 12th house cusp

Ceres Conjunct Eros

Eros Opposition Psyche

There is also a heavy emphasis on the others Rudra and Parva asteroids where my Mercury/Venus conjuncts Parva and my Sun/Jupiter Conjuncts Rudra.

posted March 26, 2014 01:11 AM            

Let me see just your natal now, with the points I'd mentioned.

posted March 26, 2014 01:17 AM            

natal: http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag371/rickysbobbies/nata12_zps51805401.gif

synastry: http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag371/rickysbobbies/synastry13_zps7861ea1f.gif

posted March 26, 2014 01:32 AM            

I should mention, as it's useful information, that many synastric 12H overlays is a clear indication of unresolved karma - unless JUPITER is prominent. We tend to see this more often in cases of 'good karma' and when the Souls are companionable across many lifetimes.

posted March 26, 2014 01:46 AM            

Osiris is at 19°19'GEM in my natal chart, and at 29°45'ARI in composite. Should I replace it with another asteroid?

[update]
I replaced Kaali with Osiris:

In my natal chart Kaali is at 29°13'SAG, in composite it's at 19°31'SAG

Synastry: http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag371/rickysbobbies/SynastryOrK_zps0e0d5f44.gif

Composite: http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag371/rickysbobbies/compositeOrK_zpsc5d96e2a.gif

posted March 26, 2014 02:06 AM            

I think that I may have enough to draw a cursory conclusion - which is by no means final, I must preamble.

There are a few features which indicate to me that you may indeed be a Twin Flame. However, the overall take-home I'm getting from the composite isn't as clear of a picture that I typically get from those which are representing a Twin Flame connexion.

I'll explain.

There's definitely a lot here, and I'd like to continue investigating your case, so to speak.

What I'm getting at first brush is a jumble of what I consider to be Soulmate features.

Certain pairings that are often seen in conjunction or close aspect are present but mismatched here. We can see that in natal charts of those who are 'destined' for significant soulmate relationships - including, but certainly not limited to, a Twin Flame. It just depends.

But in a composite, it seems to indicate many lifetimes, relations, and situations, shared between souls. SATURN and KARMA can bring insight into what those soul-contracts are. The Draconic synastry and composite can also reveal more in regards to a compilation of those lifetimes; the consolidation of the karma.

Of the 'matched' pairs, you have one natal aspect: SIVA square PARVATI. (PSYCHE and EROS are 5º away; nearly trine.)

I'm intrigued by ISIS conjunct KARMA (2º).

Your SUN exactly conjunct the IC with a 2º trine from ALMA in your 11H indicates there's a deep soulfulness at the core of your identity.

Do you have ANGEL (11911) in close aspect to your SUN or MOON?

The NNODE conjunct JUNO in your 8H (with NEPTUNE nearly conjunct) may also point to a similar soul mission to that of Twin Flames. Hence, another reason why I think you very well may be.

posted March 26, 2014 02:32 AM            

VENUS conjunct EROS (0º40) conjunct PLUTO (2º)
VENUS conjunct MOON (5º) opposite KARMA (1º).

RUDRA conjunct PARVATI (1º) is a secondary soulmate pairing. If RUDRA-KAALI does not appear, RUDRA may pair with PARVATI. When other factors are present, RUDRA-PARVATI is a clear indication of a very significant Soulmate connexion.

The fact that SIVA and PARVATI are also trine (1º) is further confirmation of the above.

VALENTINE conjunct DSC (1º)

That DSC is on the Midpoint of VALENTINE and NEPTUNE (14º-16º) is a soulful, true love connexion.

VALENTINE is also on VEGA.

It appears that KARMA is on ALGOL. I'm familiar with that one. There may have been a powerful past-life betrayal which has generated unresolved karma.

I'm also intrigued by this:

ALMA is square ISIS and sextile OSIRIS.

ISIS and OSIRIS are linked by minor aspect (semisextile) and through ALMA by square and sextile.

We tend to find them conjunct in the composites of Twin Flames, but linked in some capacity in those of significant Soulmates.

Of those archetypes we presently study, it looks as if SIVA and PARVATI would be the one to examine further; especially as RUDRA is conjunct PARVATI.

I would expect to see them prominent in your synastry, Heliocentric-Tropical composite and synastry, and potentially, Draconic.

There is a strong focus on the lower-western half of your composite, too: 4H-7H, with the 11H represented.

Those will likely give clues to the purpose of the connexion. There's a very balanced nature to it: three- or four-point stellia in each house; 5H is definitely the most represented, as it's packing a punch: a very powerful stellium: EROS-VENUS-MOON-PLUTO.

There is also a lot of Scorpio in the composite. In my own composite (which is almost entirely Scorpio) I've been told that sexual themes and tantra will play an important role.

posted March 26, 2014 03:00 AM            

ISIS conjunct OSIRIS - (1º)
SIVA conjunct PARVATI - (3º)
KAALI conjunct RUDRA - (5º)
PSYCHE trine EROS - (2º50)

Technically, we're only counting the ISIS-OSIRIS conjunction and the PSYCHE-EROS trine; and, really, the PSYCHE-EROS trine because of the close ISIS-OSIRIS conjunction. Also, because EROS is conjunct NEPTUNE (0º25) and on the GC.

posted March 26, 2014 03:09 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

Of the 'matched' pairs, you have one natal aspect: SIVA square PARVATI. (PSYCHE and EROS are 5º away; nearly trine.)

I'm intrigued by ISIS conjunct KARMA (2º).

Your SUN exactly conjunct the IC with a 2º trine from ALMA in your 11H indicates there's a deep soulfulness at the core of your identity.

Do you have ANGEL (11911) in close aspect to your SUN or MOON?

The NNODE conjunct JUNO in your 8H (with NEPTUNE nearly conjunct) may also point to a similar soul mission to that of Twin Flames. Hence, another reason why I think you very well may be.

This is a very significant soul connexion, in any case. I'd have to delve a bit further in order to better understand more regarding its purpose.

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Regarding Siva Square Parvati in my natal chart, it's in fact a Sextile. Siva is at 2°03'LEO and Parvati at 4°31'LIB.

As for the Sun at 22°50'LEO conjunct the IC with a 2° trine with ALMA, is in fact a Quincunx, with Jupiter creating a tighter inconjunct (0°) with ALMA. Jupiter at 24°08'LEO and ALMA at 24°17'PIS.

My Sun makes a Sextile(2°) with the asteroid ANGEL which is at 20°17'LIB.

posted March 26, 2014 03:37 AM            

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Originally posted by HiddenAries:
Regarding Siva Square Parvati in my natal chart, it's in fact a Sextile. Siva is at 2°03'LEO and Parvati at 4°31'LIB.

As for the Sun at 22°50'LEO conjunct the IC with a 2° trine with ALMA, is in fact a Quincunx, with Jupiter creating a tighter inconjunct (0°) with ALMA. Jupiter at 24°08'LEO and ALMA at 24°17'PIS.

My Sun makes a Sextile(2°) with the asteroid ANGEL which is at 20°17'LIB.

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Oh, thanks. Photobucket isn't my favourite client.

The quincunx is fine; as is the sextile. The latter requires a bit more focus on your part, but the quincunx is naturally karmic. There's an adjustment needed in that area (soul versus ego). Big shock, huh?

Also, your ANGEL falls on my SUN/PLUTO MP. That's apt. Heh.

I'll count the ANGEL-SUN sextile, definitely.

Something I wanted to share regarding your natal.

Given that you two have ISIS and OSIRIS near, but too far to conjoin and making no aspect, I'd expect to see the mirror and opposite phase in the natal of your Twin Flame, creating a composite conjunction.

posted March 26, 2014 04:17 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

It appears that KARMA is on ALGOL. I'm familiar with that one. There may have been a powerful past-life betrayal which has generated unresolved karma.

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The asteroid Destinn at 25°47'TAU in my natal chart is conjunct the Karma/Algol connection in composite. Does this mean anything?

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

Given that you two have ISIS and OSIRIS near, but too far to conjoin and making no aspect, I'd expect to see the mirror and opposite phase in the natal of your Twin Flame, creating a composite conjunction.

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posted March 26, 2014 05:02 AM            

Also, yes. Your DESTINN hitting the composite KARMA-ALGOL is significant.

I believe this is a Soulmate with whom you have some very serious previous history to settle. They're more than likely going to be acting as a catalyst to get you on the correct path towards finding your Twin Flame - if that's part of your programme this time around. I'd have to delve more deeply into your natal.

posted March 26, 2014 05:20 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Thanks.

I should mention, as it's useful information, that many synastric 12H overlays is a clear indication of unresolved karma - unless JUPITER is prominent. We tend to see this more often in cases of 'good karma' and when the Souls are companionable across many lifetimes.

Nonetheless, if stellia are appearing in 12H synastric overlays, it is always karmic, and frequently a Soulmate connexion, unless other factors are present.

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Mr Sag and me have a bit of 12th house overlay, as my Moon and Jupiter are in his 12th house. His 12th house ruler Uranus is conjunct my 12th house cusp.

We also have a very prominent Jupiter, dispositing his Sun, Moon, Mercury, MC, Asc (traditionally) and dispositing my Sun, Mercury, Mars, NN, ASC; plus our jupiters are in exact opposition, which gives a nice complementary vibe to the similiarity of the Sag-stellia we both have.

Well most of the other planets are gathered elsewhere in the charts.

But I most certainly feel there is a lot of positive "vibes" between us. He very much energizes me.

posted March 26, 2014 05:33 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

I'd like to add that it doesn't necessarily have to be a conjunction (3º orb or less). My Twin Flame and I both have 8º between our ISIS and OSIRIS. Curiously, they're of the opposite phase, resulting in a 1º ISIS-OSIRIS conjunction in our Geo-Tropical composite.

But, yes. More so than 'check-box' style aspects in a natal, we tend to find mirroring between the natals, and something representing the Twin Flame relationship in a natal chart.

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That is the important thing, yes.

parallel natal angles. Shared harmonic triangles (natally).

posted March 26, 2014 07:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
IQ once stated in a thread that people who have a close conjunction of ISIS and OSIRIS or EROS and PSYCHE natally, are most probably going to meet their twinflame or high level soulmate in this lffe.

I suppose that might be valid for other soulmate pairings as well. Maybe exact aspects between soulmate pairings natally (like Eros trine Psyche9 will increase the possibility as well.

My parents for example, who are most definitely high level soulmates, maybe even twinflames:

My Mum has PLUTO conjunct PROSERPINA exact in her natal (orb: 0°05) on 21 Leo

Additionally she also

almost has ISIS conjunct OSIRIS (3°54)

EROS quinkunx PSYCHE exact (0°21)

The clincer I think is her natal Pluto-Proserpina conjunction though.

in her helio she also has almost ISIS-OSIRIS-conjunction (3°27) with OSIRIS on the 13-14 degree Sag, the one about the pyramids and Sphinx

and also in helio Pluto trines PERSEPHONE (1°15)

I find it intriguing how she has got this widish ISIS-OSIRIS_conjunction in tropical and helio natal, and I also have an ISIS-OSIRIS-conjunction in geocentric (0°43) and in heliocentric (2°32).

Mine is even tighter than hers, and is probably MY most important soulmate-marker, while for her it is the exact Pluto-PROSERPINA-conjunction.

though having said that in my natal chart Pluto is exactly quintile PROSERPINA (0°02).
This quintile is intriguing me as it is so very exact, desipite the quintile being not so popular as an aspect, it keeps cropping up lately a lot. lol

Also I find it hilarious how I apparently have inherited my mom´s "asteroid-themes".

As for my Dad, I find it impressive that he as well has a tf-marker natally

SIVA conjunct PARVATI (1°56)

additionally:

a very wide sextile between ISIS and OSIRIS that I wouldn´t even count, if not for my Mum docking onto this (orb is 3°18)

and he has Venus opposite Pluto natally (3°11) - I most probably inherited my Venus-Pluto-square from him.

So I`d say for my Mum her exact Pluto-PROSERPINA-conjunction and to a bit lesser degree the ISIS-OSIRIS_conjunction, and for my Dad his SIVA-PARVATI-conjunction are the "markers".

Incredibly they are aspecting their natal markers as well! (at least the themes)

My Dad`s Pluto conjuncts my Mum`s PROSERPINA widely (4°12), but more importantly his Pluto also trinse her PERSEPHONE reasonably closely (1°38)

Moreover his OSIRIS opposes her ISIS exact (0°27)

my Mum doesn`t aspect his SIVA and PARVATI with either her KAALI or SIVA or PARVATI though.
But maybe the two pairings they do have are enough.

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