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amelia28
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posted April 05, 2014 01:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://theastrologyplace.blogspot.com/2014/03/pluto-trauma-mourn-or-erase.html#.Uz95eaZXaV4

With every scientific advancement it brings with it a discussion on it ethics. Uranus (ruler of human advancement) can sometimes cause more destruction than good, as it is associated with radical idealism, but this statement is not taking away the amazing discoveries that have improved life for millions of people. Astrologically Uranus is connected to the mythical god Prometheus and he has always had a thang for us humans. Uranus is the inventor, liberator of man, and the big believer in human potential. The planet rules originality, truth, light and wisdom, the god says: Live your life, be free. And if freedom for the individual means erasing traumatic memories so that the person can move on with their life without feeling controlled by a past trauma, then it might just be the way forward.

However, this brings up a host of ethical and moral concerns. If you had the chance would you want to be free of bad experiences, believing that they never happened, never took place? This was a controversial issue brought up by a scientific study discussed by Michio Kaku, The Future of the Mind: The Scientific Quest to Understand, Enhance, and Empower the Mind. Although it had more to do with the memory fading from what I could gather from one study rather than completely removing particular memories associated with a traumatic event.

Meanwhile, scientists are studying certain drugs that may erase traumatic memories that continue to haunt and disturb us. In 2009, Dutch scientists, led by Dr. Merel Kindt, announced that they had found new uses for an old drug called propranolol, which could act like a “miracle” drug to ease pain associated with traumatic memories. The drug did not induce amnesia that begins at a specific point in time, but it did make the pain more manageable-and in just three days the study claimed. The discovery caused a flurry of headlines, in light of the thousands of victims who suffer from PTSD…But is also seemed to fly in th face of brain research which shows that long-term memories are encoded not electrically, but at the level of protein molecules. Recent experiments, however, suggest that recalling memories requires both the retrieval and the reassembly of the memory, so that the protein structure might actually be rearranged in the process. In other words, recalling a memory actually changes it. This may be the reason why the drug works: propranolol is known to interfere with adrenaline absorption, a key in creating the long-lasting, vivid memories that often result from traumatic events. “Propranolol sits on that nerve cell and blocks it. So adrenaline can be present, but it can’t do its job,” says Dr. James McGuagh of the University of California at Irvine. In other words, without adrenaline the memory fades.

Controlled tests done on individuals with traumatic memories showed very promising results. But the drug hit a brick wall when it came to ethics of erasing memory. Some ethicists did not dispute its effectiveness, but they frowned on the very idea of a forgetfulness drug, since memories are there for a purpose: to teach lessons of life. Even unpleasant memories, they said, serve some larger purpose. The drug got a thumbs down from the president’s Council of Bioethics. Its report concluded that “dulling our memory of terrible things [would] make us too comfortable with the world, unmoved by suffering, wrongdoing, or cruelty…Can we become numb to life’s sharpest sorrows without also becoming numb to its greatest joys?”…”Our breakups, our relationships, as painful as they are, we learn from some of those painful experiences. They make us better people.” In 2008, two independent groups, both working with animals, announced other drugs that could actually erase memories, not just manage the pain they cause…”If further work confirms these views, we can expect one day to see therapies based on memory erasure.”…Not only may the drug erase painful memories, it also “might be useful in treating depression, general anxiety, phobias, post-traumatic stress, and addictions. So far, research has been limited to animals, but human trials will begin soon…


All in favour say aye.

A Pluto trauma takes something out of our control and it often makes a person feel powerless. We confront our own sense of helplessness in the wake of a tragedy. It takes us on a long, painful journey to some kind of healing and recovery, if we ever make it that point. Completely erasing memories feels against the laws of Pluto’s nature, and what if we are sent trauma as part of an important life experience. Nobody knows these answers. There are Pluto traumas in life that completely control the individual’s life and have changed the shape of their destiny. Trauma changes a person in ways that are hard to put into words. Astrologer’s usual answers for Pluto’s cruel acts is that it helps you to grow as a person, you gain more spiritual awareness and deeper maturity (hands up, guilty) when in fact it may feel the very opposite response is true. A person is depressed, angry, and life feels like it has ended. The thing is it is hard to give advice on how to heal Pluto and traumatic memories.

Many people tend to repress the memories, and push them down and this may have its short-term benefits, but in the long run it works its way back to the surface, and you still live life controlled by this terrible event. We may be terrified to re-experience it and feel all of those emotions and so we shut it off psychologically. We put those memories, experiences and related feelings in the basement like a monster and close the door tight, never letting it see the light of day. The monster bangs on the door demanding to be felt, screams to be let out, and its power is overwhelming. We put our full weight down refusing to let this creep out. Out of sight out of mind, we say.

Even the people around us don’t want to talk about it, and at times they pretend like it never happened, it doesn’t exist, everything is fine. But it’s not? The monster grows bigger, louder, and there is no way you can keep it locked down there forever. Something terrible did happen to you, someone hurt you badly. You lost something of importance and value. Pluto can be like a thief in the night taking something precious from us. It may have taken your innocence, dreams, the future you imagined. A part of you was torn away. You spend your life trying to keep safe, you have this tremendous self-protection, resourcefulness and control but it is dominating your life.

What’s probably worse with a Pluto trauma is when others think you have made it up or are living in a fantasy world, it’s dismissed and you may be accused of exaggeration. I have watched enough talk shows in my 35 years, especially around areas of abuse, to see that sometimes all a person wants is the other to acknowledge what they have done is wrong, own up, and tell the truth. Of course, perhaps some people never really want to admit to the terrible things they have afflicted on another. But sometimes it helps an individual to find a sense of closure in their lives. People say, life goes on, and you should, too. You’re not the same anymore. Pluto has changed you forever, and on every cellular level of you being you know that is true. But what if all you feel is stuck; life isn’t moving anymore, at least not for you. Your still stuck in 1995 when tragedy struck. You’re infected now. People look at you differently. You feel different. You’ve changed, they say. The thing is that reality has changed.

The repression of memories is one of our greatest survival defences and mechanisms for the protection of the psyche. There is never an easy way out or an easy answer to give in telling others how to heal Pluto wounds. What do we do with our wound or trauma? Do we perform a psychological burial, lay some flowers down, shed a tear for what we have lost, say a final goodbye? Maybe the most important part of healing a Pluto trauma is mourning, letting out the grief, sadness, anger, and bitterness, about our deep loss. There is an emotional void that may never be filled again. In trauma theory they support retrieval of the memories that have been repressed or dissociated. The idea encourages the individual to bring up the pain and to feel it all again allowing its release. With a psychic wound we don’t know how to get out of the cycle of pain.

Pluto always has us questioning the meaning of suffering and we are told that it can be transformative. However, we are left with the after effects of trauma like depression, anxiety, disassociation, and shock. Some healing approaches believe that the end-goal should be when the person realizes that the wound is a part of the self and to not allow it dominate every part of their being, it is not the entirety of who they are. Some people feel their life-script has been changed by a Pluto trauma and thing swill never go back to being what they were.

There are probably supporters of the idea of erasing memories and some would gladly have the traumas they have witnessed permanently gone from the mind. If someone can be free of nightmares, if they can sleep again at night, lead a normal, would it be fair to take that choice away. There are probably something’s that should be forgotten...

So I ask you this: Would you take the pill??

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Dancing Maenad
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posted April 05, 2014 01:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting read, Amelia.

When I went through t-Pluto conj n-Moon, I would have taken the pill. It was just too raw and I was very close to losing my mind. Depression, anxiety, panic attacks and never-ending heartache.

I think that, after surviving that one, there's not much that can break me now. I am having t-Uranus conj natal Sun with t-Pluto squaring it and I am in no way bending. Reconstructing, yes. Have I been through difficult times? Does ending an engagement during recovery for spinal surgery count? Yes, it hurt, but it didn't break me. I don't think I have ever been stronger -emotionally or psychologically- than I am right now. Of course I may be speaking too soon and get smacked on my bum soon enough

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posted April 05, 2014 01:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
Interesting read, Amelia.

When I went through t-Pluto conj n-Moon, I would have taken the pill. It was just too raw and I was very close to losing my mind. Depression, anxiety, panic attacks and never-ending heartache.

I think that, after surviving that one, there's not much that can break me now. I am having t-Uranus conj natal Sun with t-Pluto squaring it and I am in no way bending. Reconstructing, yes. Have I been through difficult times? Does ending an engagement during recovery for spinal surgery count? Yes, it hurt, but it didn't break me. I don't think I have ever been stronger -emotionally or psychologically- than I am right now.


Wow wonderful testimony. Thank you very much for sharing this , very honest and helpful.

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posted April 05, 2014 01:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12muddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah... Pluto has been traveling through my 12th house n conj/square my planets... Dealing with loss...Mourned, let it out n moved on...

Going through all that did teach me a lesson but idk I'm not even sure if I needed that "lesson". At that time I probably would have taken the pill. Probably could make things easier, why not.

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posted April 05, 2014 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 12muddy:
Yeah... Pluto has been traveling through my 12th house n conj/square my planets... Dealing with loss...Mourned, let it out n moved on...

Going through all that did teach me a lesson but idk I'm not even sure if I needed that "lesson". At that time I probably would have taken the pill. Probably could make things easier, why not.


Yeah is a tough call, I was thinking that I would take the pill as well but then previous person's comment made me question that.

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posted April 05, 2014 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for babybull82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Erase for sure, I'd love to delete the memory of my ex right now...but then I have to think that there was probably a lesson for me to learn and if I had just erased I wouldn't have grown a bit as a person..that's kind of a tough one.

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posted April 05, 2014 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wouldn't take the pill, the lessons we need to learn are given because there is something valuable on the otherside. If we take the easy way out we dont learn the lesson and will have a repeat of it until we do learn it.
That being said, before I healed from much of my trauma I would have thought something like that was a GodSend, after I healed I realize it wouldn't be because happiness comes from living, hurting and overcoming...not living, hurting and taking the easy way out...I think the karmic repercussion of shucking off the responsibility of healing would be worse that just taking the time to heal!
Transit Pluto is squaring my natal Pluto and the same time transit Uranus is opposing it my Pluto ..but I'm finding happiness for the first time in my life because I've looked down the barrel of my emotional gun and faced what I needed to face. I don't have karma tripping me up I'm finally seeing karmic rewards for my hard work, it's the first time.

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posted April 05, 2014 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wouldn't take the pill, the lessons we need to learn are given because there is something valuable on the otherside. If we take the easy way out we dont learn the lesson and will have a repeat of it until we do learn it.
That being said, before I healed from much of my trauma I would have thought something like that was a GodSend, after I healed I realize it wouldn't be because happiness comes from living, hurting and overcoming...not living, hurting and taking the easy way out...I think the karmic repercussion of shucking off the responsibility of healing would be worse that just taking the time to heal!
Transit Pluto is squaring my natal Pluto and the same time transit Uranus is opposing it my Pluto ..but I'm finding happiness for the first time in my life because I've looked down the barrel of my emotional gun and faced what I needed to face. I don't have karma tripping me up I'm finally seeing karmic rewards for my hard work, it's the first time.

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