posted January 31, 2016 09:45 PM            

A few years ago, a friend was feeling quiet depressed and I was one of the only people he opened to about it. One night he knocked on my door and he said he was happy when I answered because he had considered committing suicide or harming himself that night. Out of everyones apartment he could have stopped at on the way home, he chose mine. This was the first time I felt my voice mattered.

The other was a coworker who had a similar story but worse. Ruined his first marriage, got in trouble with the law and started doing drugs. I didn't give up on him when everyone else did and wrote him a long letter about his childhood and his worth. He ended up opening up even more and changed his life around. He moved to the opposite coast close to family and kids and is now married and the happiest I've ever seen!

posted January 31, 2016 10:04 PM            

The other I know is a girl with Mercury in Gemini conjunct Pluto, and she's highly analytical and asks lots of intrusive questions, lol. I think Pluto allows her to think deeper than the average Mercury in Gemini too. She can talk FOREVER.[/B][/QUOTE]

I know this THREAD is old but not THAT old that the above statement makes my brain go ,,, WAIT A MINUTE.
But then My grandmother was born with Mercury conjunct Pluto in Gemini
Pluto and Mercury have not been conjunct in Gemini since 1913, of course I suppose you could have been referring to your grandmother.

posted January 31, 2016 11:19 PM            

I ask the probing questions. Even as a child in school I was usually discouraged from asking questions (that the teacher often couldn't, or wouldn't dare, answer). To me, it was all casual, but it was quite disconcerting to many others.

I was also quite articulate as a child, though looking back on myself I feel I was not, but it was still too much for many to handle. Offhand, I recall a teacher in sixth grade who summed up the Scandinavian mythos and said he could not understand how many could believe that, and thinking he wanted help to understand (as I usually did myself, which is why I asked questions--even if I didn't believe in whatever they were saying, I still wanted to know why they thought it, the "method to the madness" if you will), I volunteered that I understood, it was a people who were used to going down fighting and ultimately expected the same after because it was all they knew (or words to that effect).

He said religion should inspire hope, and I said it did, for them: they were going to be strong enough to go down as themselves. Seeing that he didn't understand, I added that (roughly speaking here, this was a long time ago and don't recall the exact words, this is just the gist of it), "It's easy to be a saint in paradise, and people being good because they'll get a cookie in heaven rather than burned in hell leads to a lot of fake people, but these people, they'll be themselves to the bitter end and spit in the faces of those who would crush them, even alien gods, and those people you know are genuine who will be themselves to the very end, which means what existence they do have is much more enjoyable to them. They're not ****** to a god that rewards and punishes, but are true to themselves and only follow gods with similar ideals."

That teacher said I was deeply disturbing and was scared what I'd be like when I became a teenager.

posted January 31, 2016 11:19 PM            

And the school library lost books because of me, because the principal would take them so I couldn't refer to them (at least the school librarian didn't blame me for it).

My questions could be seen as a challenge even when I was curious. After my class was shown a propaganda vid about drugs that was just absurd (discrediting their own message and authority), which included like a kid who started smoking pot who got out of his moving car to let it crash while he walked away and how they could do nothing but focus on getting more drugs, the teacher asked if there were questions...and she cringed as my hand went up.

Understand, I did not believe that drivel for a second. What I was wondering was how THEY could believe it, and if they didn't believe their own garbage then how did they explain it? What was the method to their madness? So I asked--genuine curiosity here, though more akin to an anthropologist trying to understand a bizarre belief or logic of a strange society--if they believed drugs destroyed all motivation and ability like that, then why did the school mandate drug tests to join extracurricular activities that required a lot of commitment (which anyone smoking pot even once should be incapable of, according to that drivel) or even be on the honor roll? (The honor roll was something you were automatically on if your grades qualified you, but your name wouldn't be listed until after you took a drug test.)

While I had no respect for the views of that vid, or the teachers that would inflict it on us, the question was a sincere desire to understand how they explained this to themselves, and was surprised when the class started applauding...so apparently the other kids saw my question as a challenge just as the teachers did. (And I was sent to the office for disrupting the class, and the teacher never even attempted to answer.)

I was rather surprised to learn most people have no interest in learning more than they have to (I guess that's my 3H sun and stellium which includes Pluto and Merc, though a 9H Aries ruler might help me initiate learning more, and my Sag stellium would also make me interested in learning), and they can't understand what I do. To me, learning is pleasurable, that sense of understanding something (even if it doesn't make me feel safer). It's probably my Pluto that inspires an interest in the forbidden and taboo, and of course many believe that my knowing a lot about that (as I do about many other things) means I'm actively involved in such things, otherwise, why would I bother to learn?

(The worst I recall offhand was I laughed seeing a shirt of trees being cut down that said, "Earth First. We'll log the other planets later." She wondered why I was laughing "at her" and I explained her shirt, the joke on it, and the organization Earth First, and she, with some self-righteousness, said she would "not know about any such thing." Her pride in her own ignorance still dumbfounds me to this day, but it no longer surprises me as it did back then.)

posted February 01, 2016 12:57 AM            

I wish my words held weight to them, but they don't. People often cut me off mid-sentence, or start a new conversation while I'm speaking, or fail to understand the emphasis behind my words.

The only exception is forced interactions (like presentations) where they have no choice but to hear what I'm saying. In situations like that, people often notice the detail and depth of the research I've collected, and then they are easily impressed.

posted February 01, 2016 01:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Seimei:

The other I know is a girl with Mercury in Gemini conjunct Pluto, and she's highly analytical and asks lots of intrusive questions, lol. I think Pluto allows her to think deeper than the average Mercury in Gemini too. She can talk FOREVER.

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I know this THREAD is old but not THAT old that the above statement makes my brain go ,,, WAIT A MINUTE.
But then My grandmother was born with Mercury conjunct Pluto in Gemini
Pluto and Mercury have not been conjunct in Gemini since 1913, of course I suppose you could have been referring to your grandmother.

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Yeah you're right, and I don't know what th I was even talking about back then because her Mercury is inconjunct Pluto. Maybe I got her Moon trine Pluto mixed up somehow. Weird..

posted February 01, 2016 04:04 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Strangely, the questions bothered people more than what I said. I know the high school principal found me frustrating as I stood up for myself, quite eloquently, but was most disturbed when I asked why he and the faculty allowed the jocks (including cheerleaders) to get away with terrorizing the school "when they don't even win most games." It was that question, and the fact that it was genuine rather than rhetorical, that was too much for him.

And the school library lost books because of me, because the principal would take them so I couldn't refer to them (at least the school librarian didn't blame me for it).

My questions could be seen as a challenge even when I was curious. After my class was shown a propaganda vid about drugs that was just absurd (discrediting their own message and authority), which included like a kid who started smoking pot who got out of his moving car to let it crash while he walked away and how they could do nothing but focus on getting more drugs, the teacher asked if there were questions...and she cringed as my hand went up.

Understand, I did not believe that drivel for a second. What I was wondering was how THEY could believe it, and if they didn't believe their own garbage then how did they explain it? What was the method to their madness? So I asked--genuine curiosity here, though more akin to an anthropologist trying to understand a bizarre belief or logic of a strange society--if they believed drugs destroyed all motivation and ability like that, then why did the school mandate drug tests to join extracurricular activities that required a lot of commitment (which anyone smoking pot even once should be incapable of, according to that drivel) or even be on the honor roll? (The honor roll was something you were automatically on if your grades qualified you, but your name wouldn't be listed until after you took a drug test.)

While I had no respect for the views of that vid, or the teachers that would inflict it on us, the question was a sincere desire to understand how they explained this to themselves, and was surprised when the class started applauding...so apparently the other kids saw my question as a challenge just as the teachers did. (And I was sent to the office for disrupting the class, and the teacher never even attempted to answer.)

I was rather surprised to learn most people have no interest in learning more than they have to (I guess that's my 3H sun and stellium which includes Pluto and Merc, though a 9H Aries ruler might help me initiate learning more, and my Sag stellium would also make me interested in learning), and they can't understand what I do. To me, learning is pleasurable, that sense of understanding something (even if it doesn't make me feel safer). It's probably my Pluto that inspires an interest in the forbidden and taboo, and of course many believe that my knowing a lot about that (as I do about many other things) means I'm actively involved in such things, otherwise, why would I bother to learn?

(The worst I recall offhand was I laughed seeing a shirt of trees being cut down that said, "Earth First. We'll log the other planets later." She wondered why I was laughing "at her" and I explained her shirt, the joke on it, and the organization Earth First, and she, with some self-righteousness, said she would "not know about any such thing." Her pride in her own ignorance still dumbfounds me to this day, but it no longer surprises me as it did back then.)

As an adult, I've learned to guard my thoughts and questions much more closely, at least when it can affect my livelihood and such. As long as I do, life usually runs pretty smoothly (and I try to see the funny side to things). And all it takes is one slip for people once warm to me to suddenly be afraid of me. AFRAID. Just for knowing unusual things. I sometimes feel like maybe I'm some medusa that has to cover my eyes with shades, because if others look into my eyes, and thus my soul, it might turn them to stone. They have to be protected from my Pluto.

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posted February 01, 2016 09:39 AM            

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Originally posted by libraschoice77:
With this natal aspect people seem to have a very influencing effect on people with there words, especially singers. Their words seem to hold alot of power and weight.

So does anyone have this aspect and do you find that people listen what you say or influenced by it?

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I have Mercury quintile Pluto, and no I haven't found this to be the case, nor do I particularly want to control/lead/manipulate/dominate people (my Aqua ascendant and prominent Uranus, finds the whole idea of that repulsive and always has).

I do think it gives me sharp insight into people and their motivations - I see right through most people, even ones that others (those who are usually good judges of character) can't see through. I'm good at breaking things down to the simplest, plainest, most direct explanation and meaning, also. Verbally I'm VERY direct, which makes some people nervous also. I often get frustrated because I find myself so often having to water-down the things I say to save people's egos.

posted February 01, 2016 01:37 PM            

Your words have the power to hurt/heal.

But if you find yourself always thinking or plotting revenge on those that have "wronged" you. Or taking your excessive frustration out on a cashier who short-changed you, then this energy is misplaced and can be destructive.

Learn to bite your tongue. But also be careful of keeping resentment deep within- up to a point where it erupts.

My Mom has Mercury in Scorpio and it forms a grand trine aspect with her Mars (Cancer) and Jupiter(Pisces).

With her, she uses her words to heal and is not the type to be careless with words.

I currently have trans Pluto- natal Mercury conjunct. And I must say that I do resonate with this energy a great deal.

I just love being silent and left alone to think. But then again, I have Mars/Mercury square and the energy is familiar.