posted April 09, 2014 06:53 AM            

(Looking at the chart it looks like there's more yet to come...eep ... Worrisome possibility but I could be wrong with my interpretation)

I am Jupiter (Moon and Venus), he is Mercury (and Sun).

The late ascendant means the universe has already decided... it's too late to do anything?

Moon and Jupiter in his 1st house (turned 7th) - does that mean I am more concerned with him? Or that he is thinking/focused on me? Jupiter exalted in Cancer but tbh I'm not sure what that means

Do Pluto, Mars, or Uranus signify more trouble ahead?

This has been a bit painful, so any help or insights would be hugely appreciated!!! Thank you in advance <3

posted April 09, 2014 07:05 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
It looks like a short relationship to me. Is he married, or does he have another partner?

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No... We were each other's longest relationship, and we've just ended [edit: 2 weeks ago] in a horrendous but trapped sort of way.

posted April 09, 2014 07:10 AM            

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Originally posted by rorrr:
No... We were each other's longest relationship, and we've just ended [edit: 2 weeks ago] in a horrendous but trapped sort of way.

By short relationship do you mean it looks as though the relationship was insignificant?

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Because it involves a sudden movement, sudden departure, or a lot of regular movements, back and forth.

Is there another woman involved somehow? Anyway, the man is the one calling the shots.

posted April 09, 2014 07:23 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Because it involves a sudden movement, sudden departure, or a lot of regular movements, back and forth.

Is there another woman involved somehow? Anyway, the man is the one calling the shots.

But what is this anyway? Your last meeting? Your first meeting?

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He is definitely calling the shots. There shouldn't be another women involved... Can you please explain, where is the significator for that?

Basically we've been heavily invested in this relationship for the long-term and planning our future together until we had a huge catastrophic blowout. And you're right about the confusing movements -- since then we've had a lot of small unproductive exchanges back and forth. Mainly unproductive because it seems like he keeps changing his mind and trying to direct his feelings - sometimes successful, but I question his certainty.

So that's why I put it to horary to ascertain what's really going on. If there is certainly 0 love left to repair then I can find closure and try to forget him...

posted April 09, 2014 08:08 AM            

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Originally posted by rorrr:
He is definitely calling the shots. There shouldn't be another women involved... Can you please explain, where is the significator for that?

Basically we've been heavily invested in this relationship for the long-term and planning our future together until we had a huge catastrophic blowout. And you're right about the confusing movements -- since then we've had a lot of small unproductive exchanges back and forth. Mainly unproductive because it seems like he keeps changing his mind and trying to direct his feelings - sometimes successful, but I question his certainty.

So that's why I put it to horary to ascertain what's really going on. If there is certainly 0 love left to repair then I can find closure and try to forget him...

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Sorry, now I've realized it's a question event.
First of all, you shouldn't base your decisions on astrology. Listen to your heart and mind.

IMO, yes, there is love, mostly from the woman's part. But the man seems to walk away. Of course, I could be wrong.

posted April 09, 2014 08:18 AM            

Composite

Progressed Composite

posted April 09, 2014 08:55 AM            

The progressed chart also shows the man is calling the shots right now. (ruler of DSC and MC). You (the Moon) are intercepted, don't have much to say in the present configuration.

I'd say if he has Uranus hard aspects in his natal, especially to Mars or Mercury, he might distance himself from this relationship.

posted April 09, 2014 10:00 AM            

Lemme start by saying that I am against using so many significators (3 planets for you and 2 for him?? How will you know if there's someone else? Refrain from doing that, please).

Second, yes, the late Asc means you already know deep in your heart he has to go. You're clinging and that is not good for you. Pluto is intercepted in your 1st which means this is some sort of personal crusade for you to save him and the relationship, bordering on obsession. Pluto has no value in horary except to color things pretty (or, not so pretty).
However, you are in a good position to turn this around - for YOU, not for you two. My feeling is that the relationship is over indeed. But you're angular and in your own exaltation and term, which means you are a good nature person and have power to move on if you wanted to. From the reception between you too, I would say he is feeling more than you are, you're only in his term while he is in your triplicity (because this is a night chart, had it been a day chart he would have been in the Sun's triplicity). Of course there are some who say it's the other way around in horary lol. But this is how I do things. Are you guys still in contact, or living together by any means? Being in someone's face gives me an impression of proximity, as if he's always around - it could be he's on your mind a lot too.
Him - Mercury in early Aries. Peregrine and cadent. Not a very upstanding citizen, quite a bit messed up indeed. He has no essential or accidental dignity.
You are intercepted in his house, again I am wondering if you're somehow still living together or in the same building perhaps? This shows your interest in this relationship, however the interception is blocked energy. Intention that does not come to pass, as if there is this huge wall between you. This is on both your parts, but I would say mainly you. It's as if something is stopping you from making a move.
I do see an applying aspect between you two, he is the faster moving planet so he's making it. It is a square though, which makes me think it will be the final separation. I don't see any Ptolemaic aspects Mercury could do before reaching you, so there is no frustration or any sort of interference from someone else. He does apply to a semisextile to this Venus which could be his mom or a friend of his. It is a woman, she has a minor influence I would say and they are not on good terms anyways (both are in the other's detriment). This could make him change his plans regarding that square he is applying to you. I think also because he is cadent I am not sure if he will do it or not. When planets are cadent they are accidentally debilitated and are weak. However, right now the aspect is in application which means this is what he intends to do - I don't see interference so it's up to him and his emotional strength. It feels to me like he wants to set you free, because he knows he's not a good partner to you. I hope it's that and not something more unpleasant, as squares sometimes are. But my vote goes to the termination of this relationship nonetheless. The orb is 10, I doubt it is hours.. either days or weeks or months. It might happen rather sudden due to the presence of Uranus (who just colors things like Pluto, does not interfere). I am leaning towards days.

As for you, you will have other suitors and quite a busy period ahead - just look at all those aspects Jup is making! Moon makes some too. I think Mr. Mars will be presenting his intentions, there's Venus who applies to you but my vote goes to Mr. Saturn after he goes direct and you'll trine him. It could be someone from your past or an older guy. That is too far ahead though, I am just saying Mercury is not the only guy out there, you HAVE options and life goes on after a break-up.

Hugs!

posted April 09, 2014 10:43 AM            

Add: I basically said the same thing the other interpretor said but in one sentence and very straight up. I am burned out bt work and school and don't have the energy to write a huge interpretation but essentially I said the same thing.

posted April 09, 2014 04:28 PM            

Thank you so much for that interpretation, you were incredibly ***spot on*** and gave me lots of hope while also telling me how it truly is.

We're no longer living together (thank goodness) but we do live 2 blocks away in a very very small town. I will have to think about the interception... It's true there is definitely a sense of being walled in.

In about 10 days... around the Cardinal Grand Cross, transiting Mars in Libra will be conjunct my Mars at Libra 15 opposed by transiting Uranus in Aries. I'm definitely hoping nothing scary or destructive happens! With Mars & Uranus I never know what to expect

I'm also not sure who Venus represents there... In his turned 8th :/ hmm. Maybe a friend, the semisextile is curious ...I figured since it is applying a wide trine to Jupiter it would have to do with me, but maybe I can getting confused with the horary here.

posted April 09, 2014 04:56 PM            

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Originally posted by rorrr:

LeeLoo we've been together about a year and a half... Not an incredibly long time, but not tooo short! What were your thoughts?

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More like a short relationship, rather than a long one if it stays this way.

posted April 10, 2014 07:09 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
More like a short relationship, rather than a long one if it stays this way.

No matter what, know that the Cross will bring you "realization", so whatever happens, it's for your own good. I wish for you to find true love

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Thank you LeeLoo

I have spoken with him since... he says he has 0 contact with women (I believe him - his discomfort and misunderstanding around women/feminine anything in general was a huge factor in our dissolution...)

So what could Venus mean for his turned 8th??

I know Venus is applying trine to me (Jupiter) and applying in conjunction to Neptune... I figured this represented the illusions I had about this whole event.

posted April 10, 2014 12:37 PM            

It would be helpful to check if there is an asteroid opposing Mercury, could give us some clue.

Can you share the reason of this "dissolution" between you? You say there was some sort of event.

posted April 10, 2014 01:03 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Honestly, I don't believe in "detriments" and such, too Middle Age for me.

It would be helpful to check if there is an asteroid opposing Mercury, could give us some clue.

Can you share the reason of this "dissolution" between you? You say there was some sort of event.

Also, does he have Uranus hard aspects in natal?

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Hi LeeLoo

I checked with serennu.com, and it doesn't seem as though there are any asteroids opposing mercury...

The dissolution was a huge catastrophic fight, something I would not wish upon anybody. I wanted to see if love is still there because it helps me humanize the situation from senseless destruction to something potentially forgivable; if there is a definite sense of loss on his part then I will feel less as though I have been living with a psychopathic lying stranger for one year... ! But maybe that is the case in which case I have less a sense of loss and can move on.

He has tight Moon sextile Uranus and Venus (Rx Virgo) square Uranus 3 orb.

posted April 10, 2014 01:49 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Honestly, I don't believe in "detriments" and such, too Middle Age for me.

It would be helpful to check if there is an asteroid opposing Mercury, could give us some clue.

Can you share the reason of this "dissolution" between you? You say there was some sort of event.

Also, does he have Uranus hard aspects in natal?

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posted April 10, 2014 01:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Horary is a medieval branch of astrology, and has strict rules. And yes it seems to work fairly often.

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Hi, Ceri, yes, you're right, although horary might need some updating too, like the rest of astrology

posted April 10, 2014 03:03 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
"You need to determine if the lies he told are really "major" or it's not just your pain amplifying everything. If they are, major lies, then there's nothing to be done about that, you're just trying to minimize the blow with astrology and anything else: because it's hard for us to accept, when it happens, such a reversal of things. Maybe now you try to find justifications. But deep down, you know the truth, so you'll know what to do.

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That's true, very true. I suppose astrology does give that little bit of understanding that helps bring closure though. The illuminating synastry I have with my family really did supplement my understanding in a way where I was like, "Nope. I'm not totally crazy. I have a bit more evidence of something that was merely a small intuition, and now I can work with this energy instead of against it." And I've found that to be true for full moons and major transits as well...

posted April 10, 2014 03:12 PM            

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Originally posted by rorrr:
That's true, very true. I suppose astrology does give that little bit of understanding that helps bring closure though. The illuminating synastry I have with my family really did supplement my understanding in a way where I was like, "Nope. I'm not totally crazy. I have a bit more evidence of something that was merely a small intuition, and now I can work with this energy instead of against it." And I've found that to be true for full moons and major transits as well...

Any of the lies here, major v minor... I know I'm feeling so subjectively about it that I trust external perspectives more than my cloudy and emotional mind right now. It's so difficult throughout a relationship to find that objective truth and sometimes horary and synastry can help deliver that lens, eh?

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posted April 10, 2014 10:18 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
What about your synastry?
Can you post it?

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Yes of course xx

posted April 11, 2014 06:44 AM            

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Originally posted by rorrr:
Yes of course xx

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