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Leorpio
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posted April 11, 2014 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leorpio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's why:

My Western Signs are:
Sun - Leo
Moon - Scorpio
Rising - Capricorn
Mercury - Leo
Venus - Leo
Mars - Libra
Jupiter - Sagittarius
Saturn - Pisces
Uranus - Capricorn
Neptune - Capricorn
Pluto - Scorpio
Mc - Scorpio
NN - Scorpio

My Vedic placements are(lolz):
Sun - Cancer
Moon - Libra
Rising - Sagittarius
Mercury - Cancer
Venus - Cancer
Mars - Virgo
Jupiter - Scorpio
Saturn - Pisces
North Node - Libra

This is absolutely hilarious since I exhibit literally none of the characteristics of any of these placements. I have a Cancer Mom so I know what Cancers are like and I am absolutely 110% not one. I am not moody nor am I a homebody. I fully and completely identify with being a Leo and I even speak and love like one too (Mercury and Venus). I think quite grandly and can comprehend huge things, but am utterly disdainful of small details. I want the big picture. I am also quite forceful when I talk for the most part unless I'm feeling uncomfortable then I can go into Cap/scorp mode.I most definitely like to talk more than listen, which can be a bad thing, but definitely doesn't indicate cancer. I'm quite creative and can embody what it is to be a Leo when I'm in my groove. The confidence, energy, fun, extroversion is all there. I honestly can't even comprehend what its like to be a cancer or have any cancer placements at all.

Libra Moon is really just laughable. Trying to tell a Scorpio moon that their moon isn't in Scorpio and that all of those intensely powerful repressed feelings and memories aren't really there is quite stupefying really. This is my private, dark side and I really really really don't think I'd be very interested in Astrology if I didn't have this placement. I wouldn't be interested in Aliens, Ghosts, the Supernatural, all things metaphysical, astrology, numerology, etc. like I am if I had this placement. The intuition and ability to discern people's true motives wouldn't be there either.

Sagittarius Rising? Puh-lease. I literally have most of the physical traits of Capricorn rising except a few: The bushy eyebrows, the dark complexion, dark hair, very serious looking face, clear jawline. Only things that I don't really have are the hooked nose (Thank God), and the dark eyes. I am constantly fighting this side of myself as it always tells me to be cautious whilst the Leo in me wants to just go out and live life. Whilst I am part Saggie due to a luckily placed Jupiter in Sag and mars and North node in 9th house, I most certainly do not look like a horse or really have any outside Sag characteristics. Granted I'm quite optimistic 60% of the time, (other 40% is horrible due to Scorp and Cap.) but I'm fire-y overall.

Throwing in Virgo Mars in the mix just made me Lol. I am sometimes literally an epitome of Libra Mars and its really annoying but hey, at least I own up to it being my sign. That indecision is most definitely there, as is the air energy to do a bunch of **** . I'm quite greatful for libra mars actually as it makes me an excellent diplomat and keeps me out of fights.

Another thing I forgot to mention: If I had Sagittarius Rising and Libra moon, my childhood would have been MUCH better than it was and I wouldn't have as many problems as I do. In conclsion...

*Overall rating of Vedic Astrology*: F-- (F Minus minus)

Synopsis: Its a load of bs that in no way at all accurately described my personality or who I am. Not to bash on India whatsoever, but this system is horribly out of date and is just a bunch of farce.

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anonymidarkness
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posted April 11, 2014 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Vedic signs don’t fit me either. Read about your Nakshatras, they fit me quite well. This site is pretty good > www.barbarapijan.com .

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socialgraffiti
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posted April 11, 2014 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for socialgraffiti     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've looked into Vedic astrology before, and yes, Western astrology fits me better. I wouldn't call it utter BS though. But Vedic astrology was created in order to uphold the caste system, to keep the destitute masses from rising up against the elite classes, where the real astrology was reserved to the elites.

Vedic astrology is also differently interpreted than Western astrology. Like the Ascendant isn't seen as physical appearance or your 'outer mask,' but more as a roadmap for your life.
I get what you're saying though: I have Cancer rising in Western astrology, but have Gemini rising in Vedic. At first, I was thinking that it couldn't be any more wrong, but I read some interpretations, and it's accurate.
Not sure if you've heard of KRS astrology, but his descriptions are on point. You might want to check it out:
For Sagittarius Rising: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buSagC-cWis
For Sun in Cancer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV6iJP8yc58

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yellowelevator
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posted April 11, 2014 11:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yellowelevator     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't even remember what my Vedic placements are, I think I actually only looked at them one time without giving much thought to them for some reason. I think it might have said sun was in Gem though, but I'm not sure.

I second www.barbarapijan.com though! I've been on there a few times and just correlated a lot of it to my Western placements but it's got some really interesting stuff on there.

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manderin
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posted April 11, 2014 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for manderin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's because you can't read Vedic astrology with the same language that you read Western astrology with.

In Western A If you have several planets in Cancer then you'll exhibit more Cancer traits... but in Vedic astrology if you have several planets in Cancer the traits you exhibit will depend more on where the placement of Cancer's lord is. Also Vedic astrology is more practical - ie..more about prediction and what's going to happen in your life, while western is more psychological and internal ie- what kind of inner personality traits you have. Thirdly vedic astrology puts way more emphasis on the houses which is why it's way more dependant on a correct birth time than Western A is. They are two different systems and you can't compare the two using the same methods.

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manderin
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posted April 12, 2014 12:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for manderin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by socialgraffiti:
I've looked into Vedic astrology before, and yes, Western astrology fits me better. I wouldn't call it utter BS though. But Vedic astrology was created in order to uphold the caste system, to keep the destitute masses from rising up against the elite classes, where the real astrology was reserved to the elites.

Vedic astrology is also differently interpreted than Western astrology. Like the Ascendant isn't seen as physical appearance or your 'outer mask,' but more as a roadmap for your life.
I get what you're saying though: I have Cancer rising in Western astrology, but have Gemini rising in Vedic. At first, I was thinking that it couldn't be any more wrong, but I read some interpretations, and it's accurate.
Not sure if you've heard of KRS astrology, but his descriptions are on point. You might want to check it out:
For Sagittarius Rising: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buSagC-cWis
For Sun in Cancer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV6iJP8yc58


Vedic astrology was not created to uphold the cast system. It was reserved for the upper classes of vedic society only so it wouldn't have been used for that purpose. Also Vedic astrology is much older than Western astrology for sure. Sun Sign astrology didn't come about until the 20'th century (although it was unofficially used for about 2 centuries before that). There have been many types of astrology over the centuries and the oldest one that is still used in it's original form is Vedic.

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posted April 12, 2014 02:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for socialgraffiti     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by manderin:
Vedic astrology was not created to uphold the cast system. It was reserved for the upper classes of vedic society only so it wouldn't have been used for that purpose. Also Vedic astrology is much older than Western astrology for sure. Sun Sign astrology didn't come about until the 20'th century (although it was unofficially used for about 2 centuries before that). There have been many types of astrology over the centuries and the oldest one that is still used in it's original form is Vedic.

"Although the caste system is not an aspect of Hinduism per se, and is considered almost universally to be politically unjust, it is still an accepted socio-economic division of the Hindu population. The Hindu accepts that a person's caste, the family he or she was born into, and the chosen profession (often the father's or father-in-law's) are derived from the soul's journey through previous lifetimes.If you committed sins, crimes, or were dishonorable in the last life, then you will pay for your indiscretions by being born into a lowly caste in this incarnation. If you were honorable, then you will reap rewards this time around."
From the book, Vedic Astrology: A Guide to the Fundamentals of Jyotish.
The link is here: http://books.google.com/books?id=SwnPdKhjEFkC&pg=PA12&lpg=PA12&dq=vedic+astrology+caste+system&source=bl&ots=MM5dFSqinz&sig=4L35iWV6SWlEi5s5kucjhYTKsEg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=aN1IU5r-DIj32Q WN2IHYCg&ved=0CD8Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false

^^ I'm not sure where I read it, but I've heard that in India, the accurate forms of astrology were reserved for the upper classes, and the fatalistic interpretations that make Vedic infamous, were reserved for the lower classes. And yes, Vedic astrology is the oldest form of astrology (never brought it up in the first place? lol.)

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posted April 12, 2014 04:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for manderin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by socialgraffiti:
"Although the caste system is not an aspect of Hinduism per se, and is considered almost universally to be politically unjust, it is still an accepted socio-economic division of the Hindu population. [b]The Hindu accepts that a person's caste, the family he or she was born into, and the chosen profession (often the father's or father-in-law's) are derived from the soul's journey through previous lifetimes.If you committed sins, crimes, or were dishonorable in the last life, then you will pay for your indiscretions by being born into a lowly caste in this incarnation. If you were honorable, then you will reap rewards this time around."
From the book, Vedic Astrology: A Guide to the Fundamentals of Jyotish.
The link is here: [URL=http://books.google.com/books?id=SwnPdKhjEFkC&pg=PA12&lpg=PA12&dq=vedic+astrology+caste+system&source=bl&ots=MM5dFSqinz&sig=4L35iWV6SWlEi5s5kucjhYTKsEg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=aN1IU5r-D Ij32Q]http://books.google.com/books?id=SwnPdKhjEFkC&pg=PA12&lpg=PA12&dq=vedic+astrology+caste+system&source=bl&ots=MM5dFSqinz&sig=4L35iWV6SWlEi5s5kucjhYTKsEg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=aN1IU5r- DIj32Q[/URL] WN2IHYCg&ved=0CD8Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false

^^ I'm not sure where I read it, but I've heard that in India, the accurate forms of astrology were reserved for the upper classes, and the fatalistic interpretations that make Vedic infamous, were reserved for the lower classes. And yes, Vedic astrology is the oldest form of astrology (never brought it up in the first place? lol.) [/B]



I'm confused as to why this has anything to do with the discussion, but yes the caste system is unjust. It's mostly still in effect in the south of India where though the government has banned it, the laws still have little influence. "Although the caste system is not an aspect of Hinduism per se.." The caste system was/is VERY much an aspect of Hinduism. The caste system is described in all the Hindu texts. It can be argued (though not proven) that Hinduism itself was created to instill the caste system... however it is not the case that Vedic astrology came about for that purpose. Today the caste system is illegal (officially anyway) and most Hindus do not consciously believe in it, but many in the south especially still believe it to be of religious significance. The south is also where Widow Burning "Sati" still occiasionally occurs. Ghandi himself was assasinated by an extremist Hindu who believed that his denial of the caste system was an abomination to the religion of India.

Oxford University has a wonderful Hindu Studies program that I recommend highly for anyone interested in the subject.

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posted April 12, 2014 05:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vedic Astrology has a Planetary direction system that is impeccable for transit analysis. I agree that the character analysis and psychological descriptions are incorrect but the "Vimshottari Dasha" System is a gold mine.

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posted April 12, 2014 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for socialgraffiti     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by manderin:

I'm confused as to why this has anything to do with the discussion, but yes the caste system is unjust. It's mostly still in effect in the south of India where though the government has banned it, the laws still have little influence. "Although the caste system is not an aspect of Hinduism per se.." The caste system was/is VERY much an aspect of Hinduism. The caste system is described in all the Hindu texts. It can be argued (though not proven) that Hinduism itself was created to instill the caste system... however it is not the case that Vedic astrology came about for that purpose. Today the caste system is illegal (officially anyway) and most Hindus do not consciously believe in it, but many in the south especially still believe it to be of religious significance. The south is also where Widow Burning "Sati" still occiasionally occurs. Ghandi himself was assasinated by an extremist Hindu who believed that his denial of the caste system was an abomination to the religion of India.

Oxford University has a wonderful Hindu Studies program that I recommend highly for anyone interested in the subject.


I think what I quoted is actually relevant to the discussion. True, it could be argued that Hinduism itself was created for the caste system, but as the text I bolded explains, Vedic astrology was used in such a way to justify the caste system and to give it credibility. Like, "if you have planet X in some sign, then you will lack finances b/c you are paying off a life debt from your previous life."

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fairaqua
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posted April 12, 2014 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fairaqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vedic vs western doesn't really read the same
I don't see where your vedic placements say you are moody.

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Emily033
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posted April 12, 2014 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Emily033     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hope so because my vedic astrology is kinda ominous... I don't want to die of poisoning or be enemies with my husband :

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Leorpio
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posted April 12, 2014 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leorpio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Emily033:
I hope so because my vedic astrology is kinda ominous... I don't want to die of poisoning or be enemies with my husband :

Yeah that's another reason I don't buy into it. Almost EVERYTHING has an incredibly negative sign to it like you'll lose all your money or get murdered, etc. I haven't seen too many positive things about it.

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