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amelia28
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posted April 12, 2014 05:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any suggestions on how this person can better manage his tsquares and turn them into strengths would be extremely appreciated.

Thanks.



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posted April 12, 2014 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jo B     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Keep energetic (sport or other active physical activities such as dance) and be disciplined about it (Mars at middle of T-square conjunct Saturn). This will help the emotional and loving side (Moon, venus).

T-squares are dynamic and challenging but if you work on them they can be very productive. Many very successful people have them in their charts.

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posted April 12, 2014 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yikes! What a chart.

I have a t-square across my 5th, 8th, and 11th houses (Neptune, moon, Mars) and I'm not bipolar. I can't imagine how a t-square placed there (or anywhere in the chart) would automatically indicate bipolarity.

Is he taking medication for it? If so, I hope it is helping.

Without even pretending to see how a clinical case of bipolarity might emerge from this chart, here are my guesses about how things might play out for him:

With Uranus on the MC, he's bound to appear somewhat erratic. ASC near the Pisces cusp and 12H planets may make him secretive, hypersensitive, and quick to take offense, though he usually manages the tension well (sun trine Pluto-Saturn-Mars). 11H Cap Venus gives him an aloof but powerful kind of charm, enhanced by his Cancer moon, Scorpio Jupiter, and all those nice trines between his air planets. Perhaps some of his bipolarity stems from this "extreme" friendliness contrasted against lightning-quick flashes of anger (afflicted Libra stellium/Uranus MC) and maybe even more deliberate subversive tactics (his afflicted Cancer moon/NN may go overboard trying to get attention.)

To what extent has he recognized his troubles and sought help? Does he meditate? If it's possible for him to become more aware of himself and his effect on people, he will improve just like anyone.

Best wishes to him.

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posted April 12, 2014 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
Yikes! What a chart.

I have a t-square across my 5th, 8th, and 11th houses (Neptune, moon, Mars) and I'm not bipolar. I can't imagine how a t-square placed there (or anywhere in the chart) would automatically indicate bipolarity.

Is he taking medication for it? If so, I hope it is helping.

Without even pretending to see how a clinical case of bipolarity might emerge from this chart, here are my guesses about how things might play out for him:

With Uranus on the MC, he's bound to appear somewhat erratic. ASC near the Pisces cusp and 12H planets may make him secretive, hypersensitive, and quick to take offense, though he usually manages the tension well (sun trine Pluto-Saturn-Mars). 11H Cap Venus gives him an aloof but powerful kind of charm, enhanced by his Cancer moon, Scorpio Jupiter, and all those nice trines between his air planets. Perhaps some of his bipolarity stems from this "extreme" friendliness contrasted against lightning-quick flashes of anger (afflicted Libra stellium/Uranus MC) and maybe even more deliberate subversive tactics (his afflicted Cancer moon/NN may go overboard trying to get attention.)

To what extent has he recognized his troubles and sought help? Does he meditate? If it's possible for him to become more aware of himself and his effect on people, he will improve just like anyone.

Best wishes to him.


He is receiving help and committed to his treatment. I didn't say the tsquares is why he has bipolar but wanted feedback on how he can better manage the tsquares bc it will help him overall. Also I was not asking how he needs to be treated, obviously self awareness, taking medication and meditation help anyone but appreciate the feedback on how you think the aspects contribute to his behaviour that you provided.


If you see his chart I would say his moon, pluto and jupiter explain the strong mood swings and overall bipolar symptoms but I do think he will be one of those people that will learn to manage his symptoms bc he definitely wants to and gives me the overall impression that with the right support which he is definitely receiving and the right attitude which he definitely has, he will be fine.

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posted April 12, 2014 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Jo B:
Keep energetic (sport or other active physical activities such as dance) and be disciplined about it (Mars at middle of T-square conjunct Saturn). This will help the emotional and loving side (Moon, venus).

T-squares are dynamic and challenging but if you work on them they can be very productive. Many very successful people have them in their charts.


Yes I know tsquares are wonderful if you learn how to handle them. I have one myself between sun/moon/neptune involving my angles.

This is why I want to focus on the tsquares and turning weaknesses into strength with him and I am good at reading charts but brainstorming with others always generates better results, diversity and team work does that.

Thanks a lot for your truly wonderful input.

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posted April 12, 2014 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jo B:
Keep energetic (sport or other active physical activities such as dance) and be disciplined about it (Mars at middle of T-square conjunct Saturn). This will help the emotional and loving side (Moon, venus).

T-squares are dynamic and challenging but if you work on them they can be very productive. Many very successful people have them in their charts.


I just noticed something important connected to his tsquares and bipolar symptoms. He says that severe mood swings along with other symptoms really started manifesting in his life about three years ago. I checked his transits three years ago and Uranus just started entering his 2nd house then (Subconscious promptings are focused into the unoccupied area opposite the focal planet, mars being his focal point as you pointed out. It can be revealing to note the transits through this area - during these periods there may be important life events.)

When he told me these symptoms started about three years ago I remember saying then that is good news as that means this is a stage you are going through and things will at some point change back more to how it was bc I thought that perhaps what he is experiencing was triggered by a transit. Him being an aquarius with aqua rising; uranus transits will affect him greatly specially if there is a natal transit involved like in his case.

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posted April 12, 2014 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by amelia28:
Also I was not asking how he needs to be treated, obviously self awareness, taking medication and meditation help anyone but appreciate the feedback on how you think the aspects contribute to his behaviour that you provided.

Sorry if I seemed nosey, I just asked out of concern, since I am only TOO familiar with how disastrous untreated bipolarity can be, as I've had to deal with it in my family. Glad to hear he's in a better frame of mind than that, and is willing to help himself.

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posted April 12, 2014 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
Sorry if I seemed nosey, I just asked out of concern, since I am only TOO familiar with how disastrous untreated bipolarity can be, as I've had to deal with it in my family. Glad to hear he's in a better frame of mind than that, and is willing to help himself.


OH. I feel you! Thanks for clarifying.

I think my husband has bipolar or cyclothymia but in the last 4 months we haven't had any fights which is very atypical for us. I have been with him for 7 years and it has been a very challenging relationship but lately it has been going well. When we would fight in the past the fights were very bad..this is the first time we have gone so long without a real bad fight or fight...going on a least 4 months now.

He has venus squaring his mars/uranus/DC stellium and right now Transit saturn is very close to his DC and 4 months ago was about 4 orbs away from DC. I am thinking saturn is actually helping his venus square mars/uranus/DC tight stellium stay cool and calm.

I hope this transit has a lasting effect on our relationship even once saturn leaves his 7th house and moves farther away from DC.

My least favorite thing about bipolars is the irritability specially in the cases it leads to aggressiveness, the overconfidence, starting a bunch of projects bc of overconfidence of abilities....

I rather enjoy the flight of ideas, the creativity and the charm, they tend to be smart and when hypomanic get so much done. Their entrepreneur spirit I enjoy too.

The hyper verbal I am sometimes annoyed by it and sometimes I like it so is more of a neutral trait for me.

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