posted April 13, 2014 01:29 PM            

Anyone also have moon square Saturn natally? I have been exploring this more deeply in my chart. It indicates the divorce of my parents, the difficult relationship with my parents and the mother. It is in my 3rd house.

I wonder if it also can signify depression? I did go through this previously, the abandoned child, who had deal with an unstable mother.

posted April 13, 2014 06:48 PM            

Yes, it can definitely indicate depression - or a tendency to be self critical, to judge yourself really harshly. For me (Saturn Sag 1st House square Pisces Moon 3rd house) I find I'm often at odds with my emotions in the sense that I feel awful about myself if I'm too nice, but I can go the reverse and become super emotionally indulgent and fall apart in a rather bleak (Saturn) way.

My parents are divorced as well. Difficult relationship with both, but moreso my father based on our heavily Saturnine synastry. I think it can indicate difficulty or problems with your mother in terms of her emotional stability, or rejecting her feelings.

posted April 13, 2014 08:56 PM            

They're not divorced. Fiercely protective of each other and of their marriage.

posted April 13, 2014 11:26 PM            

My relationship with my mom wasn't good; we were estranged for a few years. My parents were never married, and the final break up was really bad. Their whole relationship was terrible. I was sort of an abandoned child that had to take on adult responsibilities and grow up prematurely. My father went to prison when I was very young, and my mother abused drugs, met another man while my father was away, and had more kids that I was forced to care for. They never treated me like a child, and mentally, I never really was one anyway.

For a very long time, I was emotionally restrained. I'm much better with my emotions nowadays. Although, I think the last time I cried was a few years ago when someone died. Sometimes, I joke that death is the only thing that brings me to tears. I've never had tears of joy. My mom eventually married the man she met after my father. He once asked me, "if I died, would you cry at my funeral?" My reply was, "sure! Tears of joy." I can be really cold, but trust that he deserved that comment from me : ). I actually HATE it when the people closest to me cry for no good reason - especially my children - and I rarely find a good reason. I've observed that in similar situations, most people react differently to their friends and family, but It's my instinct to become annoyed or uncomfortable, and tell the person to stop crying over nothing. You may already be able to sense the draconian influence to my personality.

There's a good side to this though; I'm cool, calm and collected, in emotionally difficult situations.

I totally relate to being self-critical. I don't have low self-esteem or anything, but I don't afford myself the same level of compassion and understanding that I give others for their failures. I have more empathy for people as they deal with the consequences of their actions, but It takes a conscious effort to have that for myself. Not that I think I'm unworthy, but I expect a lot from myself and failure is not an option however inevitable. There was a point in my life where I just couldn't accept defeat, and the very thought, discouraged me from initiating a lot of things. This fear of failure I have is completely irrational and baseless, but nonetheless, it's instinctual and haunting. No matter how well I did something, I didn't enjoy my success. Rather, I was relieved by it.

posted April 14, 2014 05:04 AM            

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Originally posted by rorrr:
Hi Sparkling!

Yes, it can definitely indicate depression - or a tendency to be self critical, to judge yourself really harshly. For me (Saturn Sag 1st House square Pisces Moon 3rd house) I find I'm often at odds with my emotions in the sense that I feel awful about myself if I'm too nice, but I can go the reverse and become super emotionally indulgent and fall apart in a rather bleak (Saturn) way.

My parents are divorced as well. Difficult relationship with both, but moreso my father based on our heavily Saturnine synastry. I think it can indicate difficulty or problems with your mother in terms of her emotional stability, or rejecting her feelings.

Moon square Saturn is a difficult one because you just do not make things easy on yourself. One of the key things for me is to view emotions as just...floating by, acknowledge them and let them pass. That way you don't get stuck (Saturn) on the darker, deeper aspects of emotional dwelling OR emotionally cutting off. love

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Thanks for all the responses, so interesting!

I like the way you view emotions, makes it easier.

posted April 14, 2014 03:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Kate August:
If you haven't already, check out Grant Lewi's definition of Moon square Saturn. It is the most optimistic and hopeful of all the definitions I've read. What others describe as an aspect that sentences us to sad emotional lives, he says is a very powerful aspect, one that promotes success in later life.

I have it from the IC to the descendant; the orb is 8 degrees but I have always felt this one. I felt deficient in relationships when I was young. I never felt loved enough. Once I accepted that I was an emotional person, there was a huge difference in my life.

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Thanks Kate! I will check this out, my ex had this too...(incidentally, he was sent to boarding school from a young age so there was a physical separation).

I will read this one and see what it says,

posted April 07, 2026 10:07 AM            

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Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars:
I have natal moon square saturn at a 5 or 6 degree orb. What's worse is my moon is in capricorn (detriment) and my saturn is in libra (exaltation), so saturn also rules my moon. One interp I've read said things get better as you age, especially if the aspect is around 5 degrees wide and saturn is in a friendly sign. Fortunately though, I have venus in Taurus in a tight trine to my moon, so I think that helps.

My relationship with my mom wasn't good; we were estranged for a few years. My parents were never married, and the final break up was really bad. Their whole relationship was terrible. I was sort of an abandoned child that had to take on adult responsibilities and grow up prematurely. My father went to prison when I was very young, and my mother abused drugs, met another man while my father was away, and had more kids that I was forced to care for. They never treated me like a child, and mentally, I never really was one anyway.

For a very long time, I was emotionally restrained. I'm much better with my emotions nowadays. Although, I think the last time I cried was a few years ago when someone died. Sometimes, I joke that death is the only thing that brings me to tears. I've never had tears of joy. My mom eventually married the man she met after my father. He once asked me, "if I died, would you cry at my funeral?" My reply was, "sure! Tears of joy." I can be really cold, but trust that he deserved that comment from me : ). I actually HATE it when the people closest to me cry for no good reason - especially my children - and I rarely find a good reason. I've observed that in similar situations, most people react differently to their friends and family, but It's my instinct to become annoyed or uncomfortable, and tell the person to stop crying over nothing. You may already be able to sense the draconian influence to my personality.

There's a good side to this though; I'm cool, calm and collected, in emotionally difficult situations.

I totally relate to being self-critical. I don't have low self-esteem or anything, but I don't afford myself the same level of compassion and understanding that I give others for their failures. I have more empathy for people as they deal with the consequences of their actions, but It takes a conscious effort to have that for myself. Not that I think I'm unworthy, but I expect a lot from myself and failure is not an option however inevitable. There was a point in my life where I just couldn't accept defeat, and the very thought, discouraged me from initiating a lot of things. This fear of failure I have is completely irrational and baseless, but nonetheless, it's instinctual and haunting. No matter how well I did something, I didn't enjoy my success. Rather, I was relieved by it.

As far as what I've read on the aspect, everything I've written are moon square saturn issues, but Saturn brings lessons, so I'm learning, and as I do, it's getting easier and better.

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My daughter has capricorn moon and moon square libra saturn. Her mom and dad are not together but we co-parent well. Neither I nor him (that I know of) are drunks or addicted to drugs or any jailtime...yet. She has a trine from moon to sun and Jupiter. A grand earth trine. Also a very loose trine to Venus. So Venus is combust with her sun.

posted April 07, 2026 11:26 AM            

A job(Saturn and financial security) at a lonely and isolated city that is away from family and friends(Moon)

Parents(Moon)are always away at work and building financial security( Sat). But usually at the cost of emotional well-being.

Choosing to do what is uncomfortable(Moon) in order to get to long term goal(Saturn)

Getting up in the morning and leaving the comfort of home(Moon) in the pursuit of a career(Saturn).

Prioritizing buying a house(Saturn) instead of making a home(Moon).

Logic (Saturn) trumps emotions and feelings(Moon).

Choosing to do what is practical( Saturn) in place of what one really needs/ wants (Moon) i.e. choosing to marry someone practical and steady, instead of someone creative and romantic(Moon).

Suppressing(Saturn) one's feelings(Moon) or being awkward/uncomfortable expressing softer emotions that require one to open up and share what is within.

A hard exterior(Saturn) betrays or conceals a very sensitive interior(Moon).

Delayed (Sat)emotions(Moon) or not knowing how to express oneself appropriately i.e. one is formal( Saturn) when they are supposed to be more sensitive(Moon).

And where one is supposed to show restraint and formality(like at work), one is moody and emotional(Moon).

Bringing emotional issues where they don't belong( at the office) and handling family or delicate things(Moon) like you are in a boardroom.

You may have trouble drawing boundaries between work(Sat) and downtime(Moon). You may have your life revolve around work- even dream of it.

The other possibility is working with family, in a family business or with people who have equally fluctuating emotional reactions on an everyday basis.

I know of someone who deals with real estate(Moon) as a business(Saturn). He has Saturn/Moon conjunct though. But it is the same concept.

posted April 07, 2026 11:53 AM            

"Choosing to do what is uncomfortable(Moon) in order to get to long term goal(Saturn)

Choosing to do what is practical( Saturn) in palce of what one really needs/ wants(Moon) i.e. choosing to marry someone practical and steady, instead of someone creative and romantic(Moon)."

These 2 sorta hit home.

I remember something weird about my daughter when shes with her father from a young age. She always wants to do what he wanted, always wants to please him even if she doesn't want to do what he says. For example, He may be busy a weekend he has her and say "so do you want to go to grandmas house" and she will quickly answer "yes" even though I know she doesnt want to. Or I will say I am making a home-made cake for her birthday and he will tell me "well she told me she doesnt want one" (what little girl doesnt want a cake for her birthday), in this case I know she just told him that to make him happy bc he didnt want me to come by with a cake. All this after she said she would love one and we picked out the flavor and type of cake together. I imagine it went down like this "so do you really want a cake?" NO. Like its more practical to please her father in the moment than tell him what she really wants. Why would he even question or ask her that? I feel like its bc he is pressured by his wife to keep me at bay and he knows he can manipulate her to do what he wants with these type questions.

These are just a couple of many examples. I have had a conversation with her that she must say whats on her mind and say NO if she doesent want to go to grandma's and tell him YES, that you want a cake, dont say what you think he wants to hear, say what you want. She says shes getting better at it. She may also be doing this with me, just saying what she thinks I want to hear, although she has spoken her mind to me many times where we disagree, I have no idea if shes doing it to me as well. Its like her exalted Libra saturn just wants to make everyone around her happy even at the costs of her own wants and needs.

posted April 07, 2026 02:26 PM            

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Originally posted by queenofswords:
Thanks for that.

"Choosing to do what is uncomfortable(Moon) in order to get to long term goal(Saturn)

Choosing to do what is practical( Saturn) in palce of what one really needs/ wants(Moon) i.e. choosing to marry someone practical and steady, instead of someone creative and romantic(Moon)."

These 2 sorta hit home.

I remember something weird about my daughter when she's with her father from a young age. She always wants to do what he wanted, always wants to please him even if she doesn't want to do what he says. For example, He may be busy a weekend he has her and say "so do you want to go to grandmas house" and she will quickly answer "yes" even though I know she doesnt want to. Or I will say I am making a home-made cake for her birthday and he will tell me "well she told me she doesnt want one" (what little girl doesnt want a cake for her birthday), in this case I know she just told him that to make him happy bc he didnt want me to come by with a cake. All this after she said she would love one and we picked out the flavor and type of cake together. I imagine it went down like this "so do you really want a cake?" NO. Like its more practical to please her father in the moment than tell him what she really wants. Why would he even question or ask her that? I feel like its bc he is pressured by his wife to keep me at bay and he knows he can manipulate her to do what he wants with these type questions.

These are just a couple of many examples. I have had a conversation with her that she must say whats on her mind and say NO if she doesent want to go to grandma's and tell him YES, that you want a cake, dont say what you think he wants to hear, say what you want. She says shes getting better at it. She may also be doing this with me, just saying what she thinks I want to hear, although she has spoken her mind to me many times where we disagree, I have no idea if shes doing it to me as well. Its like her exalted Libra saturn just wants to make everyone around her happy even at the costs of her own wants and needs.

To me this is bazar behavior, I am Leo saturn conjunct mercury and fixed star regulus, no other aspects. Ive always done what I want, never a doormat. She seems easily manipulated into what others want.

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That sounds more like Venus opp Asc or something related to Venus influence. Because people pleasing is more about being amiable to people and not wanting to be "difficult".

When I was younger,i did this. I felt i had to "earn" parent's affections by being responsible and independent. Showing them that I was "mature" ,dependable and required little mantainance (Venus conj Saturn).

Your daughter is defaulting to that. She doesn't want to be a bother. She wants to be thought of as "easygoing". So she makes herself likeable to everyone by changing herself in accordance to who she is with.

Is she the Moon/Saturn square individual ?
Where is the Moon placed by sign?

posted April 08, 2026 10:49 AM            

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Originally posted by queenofswords:
yes, she is moon square Saturn. Capricorn moon and Libra Saturn. Saturn is in her 7th house along with Sun and Venus (combust Virgo Venus).

I am open minded to what I am doing may be detrimental to her. I feel like I treat her well but you never know. She is my only daughter and I was never married. She also has moon loose conjunct with Pluto. She did used to sleep with me alot but always had her own room and once she hit 10 yrs old she started to sleep in her room exclusivley and I was a little sad but more glad bc of this planet placement. Like I know I need to give her autonomy so she can support herself one day. She does many after school activities and I always allow her to play with friends. Shes very smart and studious I literally have no issues with her except for attitude now bc she is a teen which I just brush that off and try not to let it bother me bc i know thats normal. Her Dad and I for the most part always get along and co-parent well. Im having some issues with her step-mom but nothing serious. She pretends I dont exist is all. Its not a big deal, I dont need her approval or friendship or anything, but I would like to be acknowledged. I dont want my dauther to feel weird talking about me to her other family. She talks to me about what she does with her dad's side all the time and I welcome the conversation.

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Oh ok.I see.

Its interesting because my nephew has Sun in 7th house ♉(♏ Asc). And I always wondered how this will play out in his life.

What i see it being, is the native experiencing two different worlds. And them trying to adjust to the two worlds.

In my nephew's case, he is close to his grandad(a ♋ ). But his grandad lives separate to grandma( where we all are at the moment).

So BOTH are his family and he's interested in keeping good relations on both ends. And so I have seen him adjust when with Grandad. Then again when with us

Even if granddad/grandma were together,i think there would still be this sense of "division". That they see two camps in a very important area in their life and that they somehow need to navigate and "bridge" the two camps together.

Your daughter's status quo seems to be reflective of the 7th house nature that is similar to my nephews. In that she wants to balance both familys too.

So one with such positions is sensitive to how they respond, this especially if ♓ is rising. That could be them adjusting to the atmosphere that they are in.