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Topic: sidereal vs tropical
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otha92
Newflake Posts: 11
From: Black Hole
Registered: Feb 2014
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posted April 20, 2014 12:17 AM
  
Sidereal vs tropical which ones do you guys use. what is the difference between the two. My sun,mecury,ascendant differ between the 2 charts why is that.IP: Logged |
soren
Knowflake Posts: 328
From: vancouver, bc, canada
Registered: Sep 2012
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posted April 20, 2014 12:23 AM
siderial is based on the actual positions of the constellations in the sky, while tropical says that the zodiac signs are where the constellations were 2000 years ago, which have now moved like 26 degrees, and basically the zones that the zodiac signs were in did not move. IP: Logged |
lalalinda
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From: nevada
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posted April 20, 2014 12:27 AM
Hello otha92! Welcome to LL  ------------------
"For all those who believe, expect a miracle.”
Linda Goodman 1925-1995 IP: Logged |
fairaqua
Knowflake Posts: 458
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posted April 20, 2014 07:58 AM
I use vedic (sidereal)IP: Logged |
Primarose220
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posted April 20, 2014 08:48 AM
Is sidereal more accurate?IP: Logged |
Geminiyoungster
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posted April 20, 2014 11:45 AM
I'm leaning towards sidereal ,but I get so confused. Here's why>>>>>>>>>>I get so confused when it comes to Sidereal Astrology because i don't know which one is right! Do you use the lahiri or fagan bradley chart reading? I used Both and it came out to be different moon signs. Like for instance,I'm a moon in cancer in the fagan bradley chart reading but a Moon in leo in lahiri.I'm also a moon in leo in tropical to as well.
All my other placements are the same though like my rising,jupiter, and etc , but the moon is the only thing that's different in both sidereal charts . I hope i'm not confusing anybody with my postings. I'm still trying to learn everything,LOL! Which one do you use otha92? IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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From: Mercury
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted April 20, 2014 11:52 AM
Uh both..
Has anyone on here ever read vedic descriptions. -_-This is for taurus. They are noted for their power of endurance, both physically and mentally and can stand any strain as long as their determination lasts. They are extremely social and are never happier than when entertaining their friends, or those they love. They make splendid hosts or hostesses, they have great taste about food and in an emergency make excellent cooks. They are artistic in their homes, wonderful in their arrangement of furniture and making things appear well. They have a strong sense of dramatic appearance, they dress and "look the part" and can fill to perfection any role on life's stage they may be called on to play. ...
They forgive at the slightest show of feeling or kindness and this side of their nature makes them do all kinds of things that the world call stupid. As leaders in any cause they inspire love and devotion and often have great responsibility forced upon them.
They have an innate sense of harmony, rhythm and colour and often succeed well in music, poetry and art, but curiously enough they usually lack the "money sense" to make the most of their qualities or talents, except those born on certain dates. ________ It's pretty similar to Gemini...
but I really relate to is my sun/moon nakshatra. if this concept did not exist I probably would not really pay much attention.
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fairaqua
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posted April 20, 2014 01:18 PM
When trying to obtain you're vedic chart on astro you'll choose
House System: Whole Signs
Zodiac: Hindu/Lahiri
You can select draw no aspect lines, But I just ignore them instead of selecting this option.
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PlutoSurvivor
Moderator Posts: 717
From: USA
Registered: Sep 2011
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posted April 21, 2014 02:46 PM
Ancient Egyptian Sidereal Astrology is probably most accurate, but most of this ancient knowledge is still hidden from us. Sidereal cannot be interpreted the same way as Tropical method, so you can't just look up the chart wheel and apply Western Astrology interpretation. The Fagan-Bradley method is crazy complicated. I had a report done once by a Sideral expert to learn about this method, and it basically matched IQ's report except that it revealed 2 additional bits of info that were very meaningful to me. Yet IQ's mathematical Equal house Tropical method was much quicker and less complicated to gain the same results and he included integral asteroid analysis that is not available in any other method. I would say that if you are learning about Sideral astrology, select a highly respected astrologer from each method and order a report for yourself to compare. A professional will explain their interpretations, and site how they came to their astrological conclusions. Then you will personally see the difference between the two. IP: Logged |
Mystic_Cat
Knowflake Posts: 340
From: Jupiter & Pluto
Registered: Jan 2014
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posted April 21, 2014 04:10 PM
Tropical is the chart that rotates around the Sun, basing on the Seasons and the idea of exact 30 degree spaces in between each "Traditional Zodiac sign", it's a simplified system of the stars that makes astrology easy to understand and brought it into a civilized "diplomatic" sense of understanding through creating Libra, it works perfectly on a basis level. Though to get a more indepth underastanding of yourself while using the tropical can be difficult, as all the other constellations (Which also effect you and i) are seen as as not so important which is the downside, but this astrology was intented as "Christian astrology" and i don't beleive spans as far as going into the "reality" of the Aquarian age.As an example in the Tropical System i'm a Sagittarius, but the Sun was in Ophiuchus when i was born, and i know i'm very Sagittarian, but Ophiuchus/Serpentarius is a strong part of my core being (The Sun) - Both these constellations rule me but because Ptolemy sort of ignored the rest of the constellations you get a foggy view of how astrology actually works! - There is actually 28 main constellations which can all be seen as more indepth signs - Though the 12 (13) we use today are the closest around our Ecliptic and thus using the Tropical makes it the most UNcomplicated way. - (But imo we could still create a system that uses all 48 constellation)  - Sidereal on the other hand revolves around the Moon, and generally included Ophiuchus in original cultures. Sidereal Astrology is what we have approached on since the early 1900's strongly and is looking as a movement into the Aquarian age, as we develop our technology and our structure of reality, moving out of the Piscean way of things Sidereal is you're Lunar Self and Tropical is your Solar Self - Like an "Active and Unconcious" or That's what i've come to belief and see as the reality from my time researching them. The fact that it's only been approached that they are 20 degree's apart very recently as with the allignment with the constellation Ophiuchus and the inconnection with the Sun and Moon makes me think they're is alot more to be understood on how they both work, and there connection to Aquarius, Ophiuchus and Uranus. One thing i'm studying at the minute is Ophiuchus's "Two sides" and how it could be what connects the Tropical and Sidereal. I'd say Sidereal is approaching other methods of astrology which are only just beginning to be tested on .. Ophiuchus, How and Why the Stars and Planets effect us on Earth etc IP: Logged |
Mystic_Cat
Knowflake Posts: 340
From: Jupiter & Pluto
Registered: Jan 2014
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posted April 21, 2014 04:31 PM
Tropical is how Ptolemy first created the way of looking at "Astrology" to disconnect it from astronomy and introduce it into human society, as it interconnects with our seasons and calenders, created off of the same basis.Sidereal astrology is what we originally used in all cultures, Mayan, Egyptian etc. Since the discovery of Uranus (when Aquarius started dawning) we have been playing around with sidereal charts again, being the accurate view of the stars and planets. As of yet in the modern day nothing has been discovered or found out of how the sidereal ties in. If you're wanting to take the next step in astrology bring alot of Fixed Stars and Asteroids into your Tropical Birth chart and understand the real positions of the Sun and Moon in relation to they're tropical position. My current project is understanding how the Sun and Moon both work in terms of the Human connection, as thats the key to understanding the Tropical-Sidereal (Solar/Lunar) IP: Logged |
Mystic_Cat
Knowflake Posts: 340
From: Jupiter & Pluto
Registered: Jan 2014
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posted April 21, 2014 04:35 PM
So from me my final answer is the Tropical is your Solar chart and the Sidereal is your Lunar Chart. Both are active but the Tropical is alot clearer in terms of you're self consciously and physically - But i could be wrong, there's so many different theories and idea's on how the sidereal chart (the positions of the planets/stars when you were born) comes into humanity. Another perspective on the sidereal is how can it work? The Stars are in those positions, yes, but thousands of light years away, EVEN IF its the actual positions, the light/molecules that are on Earth would take a very long period of time to get they're from the stars and thus would be in a very different position, unless it's something connected with our brain and astrological dna that is connected to the stars, and not the stars that influence us but that we are both one in the same and are "The universe experiencing itself" after all IP: Logged |
Mystic_Cat
Knowflake Posts: 340
From: Jupiter & Pluto
Registered: Jan 2014
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posted April 21, 2014 04:59 PM
If you're new to Astrology, i'd say understand you're birth chart and how the tropical system works, then as you feel that you've understood how and in what way you're natal chart and the planets work, look into the sidereal and how it works ON TOP of the tropical ..IP: Logged |
Mystic_Cat
Knowflake Posts: 340
From: Jupiter & Pluto
Registered: Jan 2014
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posted April 21, 2014 05:30 PM
None of that's very easy to understand haha, sorry, my Saturn in Pisces 3rd makes structure not one of my strong points IP: Logged |
otha92
Newflake Posts: 11
From: Black Hole
Registered: Feb 2014
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posted April 21, 2014 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by Geminiyoungster:
I'm leaning towards sidereal ,but I get so confused. Here's why>>>>>>>>>>I get so confused when it comes to Sidereal Astrology because i don't know which one is right! Do you use the lahiri or fagan bradley chart reading? I used Both and it came out to be different moon signs.
idk I use tropical Like for instance,I'm a moon in cancer in the fagan bradley chart reading but a Moon in leo in lahiri.I'm also a moon in leo in tropical to as well.
All my other placements are the same though like my rising,jupiter, and etc , but the moon is the only thing that's different in both sidereal charts . I hope i'm not confusing anybody with my postings. I'm still trying to learn everything,LOL! Which one do you use otha92?
I use tropical but I can relate to some of the things in the sidereal. Like in tropical im a scorpio rising but in sidereal im a libra rising but plutos in the first house, in both charts so?IP: Logged |
manderin
Knowflake Posts: 155
From: New York, NY USA
Registered: Nov 2013
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posted April 21, 2014 10:19 PM
Lahiri is what most Vedic astrologers use. It is the standard. I prefer sidereal. I find it to be more accurate but in the end it's probably just a matter of preference. IP: Logged |
Geminiyoungster
Newflake Posts: 9
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Registered: Jun 2013
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posted April 24, 2014 01:07 AM
Ok, I see what you guys are talking about and thank you so much fairaqua! You really helped me out because I was a little confused. Thanks! IP: Logged |
charlie
Knowflake Posts: 1737
From: los angeles, ca, USA
Registered: Jun 2012
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posted April 24, 2014 01:39 AM
Sidereal-Gem Sun, Merc/Cancer Venus/Leo Mars/Sag MoonIt fits me very very well. This would explain my penchant for attracting Gemini men and Sag people in general. IP: Logged |
soren
Knowflake Posts: 328
From: vancouver, bc, canada
Registered: Sep 2012
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posted April 24, 2014 05:54 AM
i think tropical is the way to go. i do not think constellations effect us. they are just pictures made from stars in the sky. humans designed the constellations and where they are. and scientifically how does a constellation effect your brain?also, the houses are basically an exact double of the 12 signs. its almost like the houses are just the 12 signs centralized around the earth, and the actual 12 signs are centralized our solar system or perhaps the galaxy. so why believe that the houses can be these "zones" or "segments" centralized around our planet, but not the 12 signs? you can actually put astrology into scientific terms if you accept that the 12 signs are made of some kind of energy with 2 types of qualities (its element - fire/water/earth/air, and its mode - fixed/cardinal/mutable), combined making 12 energies. the energies. the energies are spaced apart evenly (30 degrees) and the only relationship to the constellations was that they used the stars to map where the segments were 2000 years ago. now that the stars have changed places but the segments have not, there is a disalignment of the signs with the constellations. at least this way seems more scientifically probable then the constellations somehow affecting us IP: Logged |
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