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Ellynlvx
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posted April 20, 2014 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just did a comparison that seemed to have an inordinate amount of Star-Crossed Aspects.

Here are some of them:

Sun Trine Sun
Mars Trine Mars
Jupiter Biquintile Jupiter
Moon Trine Pluto
MidHeaven Trine MidHeaven
Ascendant Trine Ascendant
Eros Trine Eros
Parvati Trine Parvati
Knight Sextile Knight
Logos Conjunct Logos
Logos Sextile Angel
Atlantis Opposite Atlantis
Atlantis Sextile Osiris
Osiris Sextile Osiris


There are more too.

Doesn't that seem like a lot?

And that's just listing the ones that have the same Aspects between them.

If I put all the ones that are between the same two Planets, but with maybe a Sextile and a Trine to each one, it nearly fills the chart.

I wonder how many you find in a Twin Flame combination?

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posted April 20, 2014 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The twinflame concept is unfortunately not my cup of tee. But...

this is very interesting and I would further analyze it just to get more insight in our astronomical universe or whatever.

Let's start with the following example;

*Sun Trine Sun
Mars Trine Mars*

Ok, what's going on here ^^?

There are 2 possibilities;

A) both your natal Sun/Mars midpoints are conjunct/opposite. If so, which DW'aspect would be the logical result? (it can be a DW on any degree). We call this a "midpoint to midpoint alignment".

B) the midpoint of your Mars and his Sun is conjunct/opposite the midpoint of his Mars and your Sun. In that case we get a "same phase angle" or more theorically "mixed midpoint alignment".

Just in case you wanna look further

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posted April 20, 2014 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That doesn't sound right.

They are all in the same Element.

Don't think they would Conjunct, they're too far apart.

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posted April 20, 2014 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jjj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun trine Sun etc is not double whammy, DW is your sun aspects for ex their mars and their mars aspects your sun etc

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posted April 20, 2014 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If your Sun Trines their Sun, it would be the same both ways.

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posted April 20, 2014 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, I was a bit unclear with "A)"
Corrected ^^.

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posted April 20, 2014 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's a Synastry.

Those Planets are in Trine.

Whether you look at it from Sun number one or Sun number two, they both Trine.

Same for the two Mars.

And Ascendants.

And MidHeavens.

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posted April 20, 2014 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jjj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It s very nice, but it is not double whammy
Double wammy is for ex my mars trine his Neptune, my Neptune square his mars etc.

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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
It's a Synastry.

Those Planets are in Trine.

Whether you look at it from Sun number one or Sun number two, they both Trine.

Same for the two Mars.

And Ascendants.

And MidHeavens.


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posted April 20, 2014 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh crap, there's a million of those.

It fills about a third of the Synastry Grid.

I only listed some of the ones that had the same Aspects between the same two Planets both ways.

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posted April 20, 2014 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It doesn't matter how you call it. Fact is that if you have 2 pairs of the same planets with the same angle there will always occur an interesting symmetrie. One of them is a DW (= SAME degree aspect and can be any degree)

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posted April 20, 2014 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Out of 121 possible Aspects (with Ten basic Planets and Nodes) there are 32 that have Double Whammys.

This really seemed like a lot.

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posted April 20, 2014 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But I thought I would ask you guys' opinion.

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posted April 20, 2014 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mir:
It doesn't matter how you call it. Fact is that if you have 2 pairs of the same planets with the same angle there will always occur an interesting symmetrie. One of them is a DW (= SAME degree aspect and can be any degree)

Which ones do you refer to?

It is not a composite chart, you noticed that, right?

Maybe I am not seeing it, but in the examples you quoted: "Sun trine Sun" and "Mars trine Mars", both planets may be in trine aspect, but as long as there is not simulatneously an aspect between Sun and Mars in synastry, we can`t really say anything about the natal phase, I think?

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posted April 20, 2014 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
Out of 121 possible Aspects (with Ten basic Planets and Nodes) there are 32 that have Double Whammys.

This really seemed like a lot.


What orb did you use?
And what aspects did you use?

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posted April 20, 2014 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And like I said, they are too far apart, they don't.

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posted April 20, 2014 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I use Ten for Luminaries, Six for all the rest.

The basic Planets, that is.

That's all this count takes in.

It has minors as well as majors.

What would be the norm for what you've seen?

That's about a quarter.

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posted April 20, 2014 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, if you use many minor aspects and also allowing a big orb, then of course the numbers of DW will increase automatically. However it *looks* from what you write, there are really a lot of Double Whammies.

But then again, if many of these are sextiles within 10 degree orb, well, I personally donīt find those too amazing.
Should you find many within 4 or 5 degree orbs and including major aspects, where at least one is a personal planet, angle or angle ruler, (possibly also 5th house or 8th house ruler), then I would listen up.

But that is just my personal opinion on it of course.

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posted April 20, 2014 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I haven't even looked to those yet, as there are so many as to be unbelievable.

These are just the basic ones that correspond.

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posted April 20, 2014 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Ceri.

I was hoping to get your opinion.

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posted April 20, 2014 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The problem is that you and me are probably having different criteria, in terms of aspects and orbs.

So my criteria:
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set of planets:
Sun, Moon, mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Satur, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, NN


orb:
conjunction, opposition, trine, square: 6°
sextile, quinkunx, semisextile: 3°


DW counted ONLY, if at least one of the planets was Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars or NN


With these criterias I amazingly found that there were usually 7 DW`s, and I mean that, it is almost ridiculous how often it was EXACTLY 7. lol

This happened in usual long lasting marriages and relationships (example: friends of mine, my parents, Newman-Woodward, other friends of mine etc.)

If there were less than 5 DW`s it seems the relationship was fizzling out rapidly, sometimes making for an on-off-relationship.

The odd one here was the synastry of Frank Sinatra and Ava Gardner, which had a stormy, tempestuous, but also volatile marriage, ending in divorce after 2 years I think. Interestingly they had 7 Dw`s, too. So in their case it didn`t work out for their favour, however it is clear that they were pulling on each other`s strings intensely. Which might be what DW`s are about, providing a magnetism that pulls you together, and makes it difficult to come apart again, even if it was better for the two of you.

If the DW is close in orb, it of course will come up as composite aspect again, hence you can be sure if you have a very tight orbed composite aspect, then there will be a synastric DW underlying it, or you two share the same natal aspect (sometimes it does not even have to be an actual aspect, bu the same phase angle)

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posted April 20, 2014 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With that criteria, it's ten.

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posted April 20, 2014 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Then, yes, I`d say that is a LOT.

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posted April 20, 2014 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's what I thought.

Thank you very much!

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posted April 20, 2014 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes I was aware, no refer. to composite alignment (conj./opp.) as those are usually not the result of 2 pairs of the same planets with the same angle.

***Maybe I am not seeing it, but in the examples you quoted: "Sun trine Sun" and "Mars trine Mars", both planets may be in trine aspect, but as long as there is not simulatneously an aspect between Sun and Mars in synastry, we can`t really say anything about the natal phase, I think?***

Well we CAN say that both natal phases are the same. For example in both cases the Sun would be 55 degr. ahead of Mars.

Just a random example;

a) Sun 12 Cancer
b) Sun 12 Pisces

a) Mars 2 Cap
b) Mars 2 Virgo

This ^^ is not "A)" (refer. to my 1st post).

But this is "B)".
A "same phase angle" as with both the Sun is 190 degr. ahead of Mars.

(it would be "A)" with reversed Suns for example)

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posted April 20, 2014 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun and Mars are about Twenty Three Degrees apart, if that helps you any.

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