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Topic: How many Double Whammys is usual in a TwinFlame Relationship?
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Ellynlvx Knowflake Posts: 7024 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 20, 2014 11:21 AM
I just did a comparison that seemed to have an inordinate amount of Star-Crossed Aspects.Here are some of them: Sun Trine Sun Mars Trine Mars Jupiter Biquintile Jupiter Moon Trine Pluto MidHeaven Trine MidHeaven Ascendant Trine Ascendant Eros Trine Eros Parvati Trine Parvati Knight Sextile Knight Logos Conjunct Logos Logos Sextile Angel Atlantis Opposite Atlantis Atlantis Sextile Osiris Osiris Sextile Osiris There are more too.
Doesn't that seem like a lot? And that's just listing the ones that have the same Aspects between them. If I put all the ones that are between the same two Planets, but with maybe a Sextile and a Trine to each one, it nearly fills the chart. I wonder how many you find in a Twin Flame combination? IP: Logged |
mir Knowflake Posts: 1321 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted April 20, 2014 12:22 PM
The twinflame concept is unfortunately not my cup of tee. But...this is very interesting and I would further analyze it just to get more insight in our astronomical universe or whatever. Let's start with the following example; *Sun Trine Sun Mars Trine Mars* Ok, what's going on here ^^? There are 2 possibilities; A) both your natal Sun/Mars midpoints are conjunct/opposite. If so, which DW'aspect would be the logical result? (it can be a DW on any degree). We call this a "midpoint to midpoint alignment". B) the midpoint of your Mars and his Sun is conjunct/opposite the midpoint of his Mars and your Sun. In that case we get a "same phase angle" or more theorically "mixed midpoint alignment". Just in case you wanna look further IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Knowflake Posts: 7024 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 20, 2014 12:25 PM
That doesn't sound right.They are all in the same Element. Don't think they would Conjunct, they're too far apart.
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jjj Knowflake Posts: 280 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted April 20, 2014 12:33 PM
Sun trine Sun etc is not double whammy, DW is your sun aspects for ex their mars and their mars aspects your sun etcIP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Knowflake Posts: 7024 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 20, 2014 12:37 PM
If your Sun Trines their Sun, it would be the same both ways.IP: Logged |
mir Knowflake Posts: 1321 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted April 20, 2014 12:42 PM
Sorry, I was a bit unclear with "A)" Corrected ^^.IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Knowflake Posts: 7024 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 20, 2014 12:46 PM
It's a Synastry.Those Planets are in Trine. Whether you look at it from Sun number one or Sun number two, they both Trine. Same for the two Mars. And Ascendants. And MidHeavens. IP: Logged |
jjj Knowflake Posts: 280 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted April 20, 2014 01:21 PM
It s very nice, but it is not double whammy Double wammy is for ex my mars trine his Neptune, my Neptune square his mars etc. quote: Originally posted by Ellynlvx: It's a Synastry.Those Planets are in Trine. Whether you look at it from Sun number one or Sun number two, they both Trine. Same for the two Mars. And Ascendants. And MidHeavens.
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Ellynlvx Knowflake Posts: 7024 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 20, 2014 01:25 PM
Oh crap, there's a million of those.It fills about a third of the Synastry Grid. I only listed some of the ones that had the same Aspects between the same two Planets both ways. IP: Logged |
mir Knowflake Posts: 1321 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted April 20, 2014 01:29 PM
It doesn't matter how you call it. Fact is that if you have 2 pairs of the same planets with the same angle there will always occur an interesting symmetrie. One of them is a DW (= SAME degree aspect and can be any degree)IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Knowflake Posts: 7024 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 20, 2014 01:31 PM
Out of 121 possible Aspects (with Ten basic Planets and Nodes) there are 32 that have Double Whammys.This really seemed like a lot. IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Knowflake Posts: 7024 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 20, 2014 01:34 PM
But I thought I would ask you guys' opinion.IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 12128 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 20, 2014 01:35 PM
quote: Originally posted by mir: It doesn't matter how you call it. Fact is that if you have 2 pairs of the same planets with the same angle there will always occur an interesting symmetrie. One of them is a DW (= SAME degree aspect and can be any degree)
Which ones do you refer to? It is not a composite chart, you noticed that, right? Maybe I am not seeing it, but in the examples you quoted: "Sun trine Sun" and "Mars trine Mars", both planets may be in trine aspect, but as long as there is not simulatneously an aspect between Sun and Mars in synastry, we can`t really say anything about the natal phase, I think? IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 12128 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 20, 2014 01:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ellynlvx: Out of 121 possible Aspects (with Ten basic Planets and Nodes) there are 32 that have Double Whammys.This really seemed like a lot.
What orb did you use? And what aspects did you use? IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Knowflake Posts: 7024 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 20, 2014 01:36 PM
And like I said, they are too far apart, they don't.IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Knowflake Posts: 7024 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 20, 2014 01:38 PM
I use Ten for Luminaries, Six for all the rest.The basic Planets, that is. That's all this count takes in. It has minors as well as majors. What would be the norm for what you've seen? That's about a quarter. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 12128 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 20, 2014 01:44 PM
Well, if you use many minor aspects and also allowing a big orb, then of course the numbers of DW will increase automatically. However it *looks* from what you write, there are really a lot of Double Whammies.But then again, if many of these are sextiles within 10 degree orb, well, I personally donīt find those too amazing. Should you find many within 4 or 5 degree orbs and including major aspects, where at least one is a personal planet, angle or angle ruler, (possibly also 5th house or 8th house ruler), then I would listen up. But that is just my personal opinion on it of course. IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Knowflake Posts: 7024 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 20, 2014 01:47 PM
I haven't even looked to those yet, as there are so many as to be unbelievable.These are just the basic ones that correspond. IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Knowflake Posts: 7024 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 20, 2014 01:50 PM
Thanks, Ceri.I was hoping to get your opinion. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 12128 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 20, 2014 02:16 PM
The problem is that you and me are probably having different criteria, in terms of aspects and orbs.So my criteria: ----------------- set of planets: Sun, Moon, mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Satur, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, NN orb: conjunction, opposition, trine, square: 6° sextile, quinkunx, semisextile: 3°
DW counted ONLY, if at least one of the planets was Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars or NN
With these criterias I amazingly found that there were usually 7 DW`s, and I mean that, it is almost ridiculous how often it was EXACTLY 7. lol
This happened in usual long lasting marriages and relationships (example: friends of mine, my parents, Newman-Woodward, other friends of mine etc.) If there were less than 5 DW`s it seems the relationship was fizzling out rapidly, sometimes making for an on-off-relationship. The odd one here was the synastry of Frank Sinatra and Ava Gardner, which had a stormy, tempestuous, but also volatile marriage, ending in divorce after 2 years I think. Interestingly they had 7 Dw`s, too. So in their case it didn`t work out for their favour, however it is clear that they were pulling on each other`s strings intensely. Which might be what DW`s are about, providing a magnetism that pulls you together, and makes it difficult to come apart again, even if it was better for the two of you. If the DW is close in orb, it of course will come up as composite aspect again, hence you can be sure if you have a very tight orbed composite aspect, then there will be a synastric DW underlying it, or you two share the same natal aspect (sometimes it does not even have to be an actual aspect, bu the same phase angle) IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Knowflake Posts: 7024 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 20, 2014 02:22 PM
With that criteria, it's ten.IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 12128 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 20, 2014 02:23 PM
Then, yes, I`d say that is a LOT. IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Knowflake Posts: 7024 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 20, 2014 02:26 PM
That's what I thought.Thank you very much! IP: Logged |
mir Knowflake Posts: 1321 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted April 20, 2014 02:32 PM
Yes I was aware, no refer. to composite alignment (conj./opp.) as those are usually not the result of 2 pairs of the same planets with the same angle. ***Maybe I am not seeing it, but in the examples you quoted: "Sun trine Sun" and "Mars trine Mars", both planets may be in trine aspect, but as long as there is not simulatneously an aspect between Sun and Mars in synastry, we can`t really say anything about the natal phase, I think?*** Well we CAN say that both natal phases are the same. For example in both cases the Sun would be 55 degr. ahead of Mars. Just a random example; a) Sun 12 Cancer b) Sun 12 Pisces a) Mars 2 Cap b) Mars 2 Virgo This ^^ is not "A)" (refer. to my 1st post). But this is "B)". A "same phase angle" as with both the Sun is 190 degr. ahead of Mars. (it would be "A)" with reversed Suns for example) IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Knowflake Posts: 7024 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 20, 2014 02:37 PM
Sun and Mars are about Twenty Three Degrees apart, if that helps you any.IP: Logged |