posted April 22, 2014 08:23 AM            

I am really terrified and wondering how this will go. The person I'm facing is an abusive ex-boyfriend who unfortunately still has quite a bit of intimidation and power over me. I know he will say and do anything to come out on top. He has a controlling and paranoid streak, so I wonder if he has been planning for something like this for months. I'm wondering if things will go in my favor and the prosecutor decides to act, or if the case will be dropped/dismissed because he is able to lie his way through it.

I'm sorry this is quite heavy material.
But any insights you can provide would be hugely, hugely appreciated... The confrontation will take place Thursday morning, Mercury will be in my 5th house (semisquare Moon - definitely feeling that; opposing my Merc by 2.5 and Sun by 6*... Not looking well. The only good thing I have is a biquintile to my AC and pending trine to my Neptune. His merc is strengthened by a transiting trine to Pluto and tight sextile to transit Jupiter So I'm afraid he will be very convincing...)

posted April 22, 2014 08:56 AM            

Here's the chart without all the lines.
I'm so happy you responded, I was hoping you would <3 <3 <3 You are a horary genius.

He is very very calculating... I'm a bit scared. I know he's going to try to discredit me however possible.

posted April 22, 2014 09:06 AM            

The aspects to Jupiter and Venus were worrisome for me. He knows he is in a good position.

posted April 22, 2014 09:11 AM            

I said previously that I am not sure how to interpret Moon sq Saturn as last aspect, because he is Saturn. If Saturn wouldn't have been a significator, then the verdict would've been 100% against you. Because he is.. it could be the opposite! Also, the opposition to POF... it could be that Fortune is against him - but on the other hand, at least he makes an aspect to POF, you don't.

So, for now I would say it might go either way. At first it won't look good because the police will believe him, but if you play the victim (and I can tell you're reluctant to do that because you're in Taurus and earth signs are not demonstrative) and find this Mercury person that could testify for you.. you might have a chance.

That's my take on it.. I am sorry I don't have better news, but don't lose hope either way!

posted April 22, 2014 09:17 AM            

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Originally posted by rorrr:
Yes... I see that here.

The aspects to Jupiter and Venus were worrisome for me. He knows he is in a good position.

Is he Saturn or is the prosecutor Saturn?

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He is Saturn because he's your open enemy and rules the 7th. The prosecutor would be either Venus (ruler of the 10th = the authorities) or Mars (ruler of the 9th - justice system). If the prosecutor is Mars, then you might hope for a favorable outcome even though Mars also likes Saturn (he's in the sign where Saturn exalts) BUT at least in this case Moon trines Mars! However, for the gentlemen of the law, I do not like either exalted Venus in the 8th house (of your enemy's money) or detriment Mars who also happens to be cadent - it makes me think they are either corrupt or of weak moral status in any case and it's doubtful that justice will be done since they are clearly biased in his favor.

posted April 22, 2014 09:21 AM            

I want to say this will go in your favor - or better yet, against him - but I am not 100% sure. I think you should get another opinion on this, preferably from a skilled horarist.

posted April 22, 2014 01:04 PM            

I have a feeling that they already favor his story, he is very charming and seems to have a serious sense of purpose and devotion planned in all of this. It's remarkably effing scary...

posted April 22, 2014 05:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
I would maybe post this chart in astro.com forum, because they have excellent horarists over there, and this matter is too important.

I want to say this will go in your favor - or better yet, against him - but I am not 100% sure. I think you should get another opinion on this, preferably from a skilled horarist.

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Originally posted by sag_stellium:
Good luck! Hope you win this battle. Sorry to hear this has turned out this way. Be strong.

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posted April 25, 2014 02:05 PM            

Be your username, defeat this SOB!

And keep us posted, pls!

posted April 25, 2014 04:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:

Be your username, defeat this SOB!

And keep us posted, pls!

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posted April 25, 2014 05:09 PM            

I don't see you losing if you are truthful and sincere.

The truth will come out and anyone with this kind of authority (Judge) will able to see through this subterfuge. Go in confident be sincere, if you are innocent they will be able to tell.

Good luck

posted April 28, 2014 06:00 PM            

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Originally posted by lalalinda:
Take the Ruler of the Ascendant (Sun)
it is in the 9th house which signifies Court. also it is very close to the Midhaven so this is your reputation among other things.

I don't see you losing if you are truthful and sincere.

The truth will come out and anyone with this kind of authority (Judge) will able to see through this subterfuge. Go in confident be sincere, if you are innocent they will be able to tell.

Good luck

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Hi lalalinda, thank you so much for responding.
You are indeed right that my entire reputation is at stake here - and spotlighted. At the first hearing, my ex brought 20 people (former friends of mine) as a show of public support against me... it was terrifying! We live in an insular expatriate community, so everyone is aware of the news and issuing their own judgements against me and dissecting it. My reputation is very much at stake - if it is not already hot on the grill...

As well, my ex's entire defense rests upon his ability to eviscerate my credibility, so my reputation and standing is again, still, very much on the line. I'm afraid I will lose this public battle and he will smear my good name. I have to forfeit those ego costs in a situation like this, but it is hard to bear. My ex however has a great reputation.

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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
He is Saturn because he's your open enemy and rules the 7th. The prosecutor would be either Venus (ruler of the 10th = the authorities) or Mars (ruler of the 9th - justice system). If the prosecutor is Mars, then you might hope for a favorable outcome even though Mars also likes Saturn (he's in the sign where Saturn exalts) BUT at least in this case Moon trines Mars! However, for the gentlemen of the law, I do not like either exalted Venus in the 8th house (of your enemy's money) or detriment Mars who also happens to be cadent - it makes me think they are either corrupt or of weak moral status in any case and it's doubtful that justice will be done since they are clearly biased in his favor.

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Dancing Mae, you were right on point - with such accuracy it is amazing. Honestly - amazing!

I'm also really thankful that at least I had posted the chart here so I was prepared for what happened. Originally, I asked the question with only the "confrontation" in mind. But the prosecutor made a fast decision - and we went to court the very next day. It all unfolded exactly how you described.

The prosecutor was female and she barely looked at my case at all. Her response and advice to the judge was very dismissive - I think it was clear she felt biased in his favor. She was Venus - representing the authorities as the prosecutorial arm of the police.

The judge was male and represented Mars. He allowed my ex to delay his trial, and although he did not keep him in jail until the trial date (which would have been unlikely) he did issue a temporary restraining order. The trial is now set for June 4.

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I'm left wondering if this chart still applies to the new court date, or if I can glean any information on what the results will be.

posted April 28, 2014 06:09 PM            

Venus exactly opposes my Sun (and Sun-Pluto conjunction in the 11th!)
That is not good news........ Leo rules my 9th & Venus rules my 6th & 11th.

Meanwhile, VENUS TRINES HIS NATAL VENUS aauughh. I'm not sure if it possibly means I will have to pay him money (I don't think so, it doesn't work like that in France) but it does signify he has a lot of love and money-fortune coming his way. Good news for him at least. And on the same day as bad news for me...

Venus rules his 4th & 11th. Though he does have natal venus retrograde - don't think that matters for a transit though, luck is luck.

posted April 28, 2014 07:57 PM            

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Originally posted by rorrr:
I also looked at our transits for this day, June 4 the new hearing. It does not look good

Venus exactly opposes my Sun (and Sun-Pluto conjunction in the 11th!)
That is not good news........ Leo rules my 9th & Venus rules my 6th & 11th.

Meanwhile, [b]VENUS TRINES HIS NATAL VENUS aauughh.

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Transit

Honey, whats this nonsense?? You're forgetting something important. YOU are sun conjunct pluto. You can command power at any time. No matter what circumstances present themselves -- and this is an extremely difficult public situation -- your power can overwhelm this. No little transit Venus can change who you are deep down. Pluto can slap venus any time. Remember that. You have strength. Your strength. Born with it, like it or not How you use this is up to you.

All that means is that your romance and your powerful self are on opposite sides of the room. Yea. This is how you want it right? Duh. You're suing this guy, after all.

Strategies

But honestly speaking, are you willing to use your power? Maybe it's just your Internet personality and this particular mars Saturn guy's effect on you, but you let him and the world dictate the terms for everything. You're thinking from the receiving end. True, you cant boss the judge around. Lol. But you can think cleverly. You need to dish out some clever volleys and aces. Not spontaneously, not rashly, not from a place of pain. The right strategies are never the obvious ones. You need to think deeply.

posted April 28, 2014 08:02 PM            

Your "friends" are collateral damage. At this point you need to think of them as pawns. Your reputation is on the line. Their level of importance in your heart has to go down a few levels until you solve this.

He's using an anhilation strategy by surrounding you with perceived enemies. It is supposed to suffocate you. So find other sources of "fresh air" and keep yourself going.

His ability to mix truth and lies is a misperception strategy.

Oh and remember that mercury mars Saturn frustration you had in synastry? Remember how his mars Saturn caused all those problems? Remember everything that tripped him up and CREATE new circumstances that will have the same effect on him. TRIP his brain. You know him well enough. Your objective is to mess with his self control. Did your mercury grate at him? Use it. Use everything that wasn't working to make him unintentionally reveal that side of him in public. Idk how. Think cleverly. This is your situation.

But these are my mars conjunct pluto ideas. Hope your sun can embody them somehow and win this.

Miscellaneous

I hope you win and even if you dont, I'll still support you from this corner of lindaland. I may not seem to have much sympathy, but I do. But your lack of self-belief, as much as i support you, makes me want to knock some pluto sense into you in the most loving way possible. Thats why I'm writing such a ridiculously long spontaneous strategic message.

Whenever you get the urge to think "how is this stacked against me?" Try to think "how do I own this and use it to my advantage?" It won't always work. But keep doing it and soon you'll find the necessary weapons.

posted April 29, 2014 07:29 AM            

Also, have you found Mercury yet? Given the out of sign application, it seems like Mercury comes to your aid for this second hearing (I didn't think about the possibility of a second hearing but now it makes perfect sense, because it was out of sign and so it couldn't perfect until something else ended). May I ask, did you have a lawyer present? If you didn't and you can afford one, please do it. It might be Mercury and I am sure it will help.

I agree with sag_stellium, use all you got. Practice answering questions in front of the mirror, be as convincing as possible. Ask a friend to question you and not be too gentle. You can't let this jerk win!