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Faith
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posted April 29, 2014 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Midpoints, I meant

Has anyone tried experimenting with this?

Astro.com provides a convenient list of your midpoints in zodiacal order. After you enter your birth data in the "Extended Charts" section, select "Ebertin style w/ midpoints" for the chart drawing style.

Then, on the top left of the chart, click on Additional Tables (PDF). One of the tables is Midpoints in Zodiacal Order. Very handy.

I'll be using these Sabian symbols and referring to this page:

http://www.cornerstone-astrology.com/articles/midpoints_astrology.htm

And John Sandbach's midpoint readings.

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I think my most significant overlapping midpoints are:

1. Moon/Mars = Mercury/Saturn, @ 2 Taurus

Sabian for 3 Taurus (plenty of astrologers say, you always round up to the next degree):
Steps up to a lawn blooming with clover. Keywords: efforts will be rewarded, good luck, creativity.

Applied to my midpoints: By acting (Mars) on intuition (moon), I will think and speak (Mercury) in such a way that my life will be solidly built (Saturn.) Perhaps I have latent powers of manifesting dreams into reality, that I haven't cultivated enough.

2. Sun/Neptune = moon/Pluto, @ 29 Sag

Sabian for 30 Sag: The Pope.Keywords: religion, respect, very powerful social position, leader, spirituality, influence.

Applied to my midpoints: Becoming better acquainted with spiritual phenomena will pave the way to my becoming pope someday. Thought so.

3. Jupiter/Saturn = Mars/Ceres @ 8 Gem

Sabian for 9 Gemini: A quiver filled with arrows. Keywords: satisfaction, accomplished work, games, sport, an organised person, preparation, art.

Applied to my midpoints: I equate work with play and want my actions to nourish others. Organization is fun for me; organizing art supplies and then drawing with my kids is very fun.

4. Moon/Neptune = Chiron/Uranus @ 0 Aqua

Sabian for 1 Aqua: An old adobe mission. Keywords: durability, stability, symbolism, heritage, tradition.

Applied to my midpoints: I've inherited strange (Uranus) wounds (Chiron) from lasting family structures, which affect my intuition/sense of being mothered. (?)

5. sun/moon = Chiron/Neptune @ 17 -18 Aqua

No Sabian since they are different degrees, mainly recording this for my future reference.

6. Mercury/Pluto = Venus/Neptune @ 8-9 Sag

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Orange
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posted April 29, 2014 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok, I just checked but got confused at one midpoint shown on astro.com

South Node @ 3'05 Libra, Vertex @ 0'39 Scorpio

the midpoint astrocome gave me is 16'52 Libra.
Should be 13'28 Libra or soemthing.
I am asking because my Venus is at 17' Libra so I'd like to know if Venus really conjuncts this midpoint. ?

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Faith
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posted April 29, 2014 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Add 13 to 3 Libra --> 16 Libra
Subtract 13 from 0 Scorpio --> 17 Libra

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Orange
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posted April 29, 2014 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah, what i got was the middle score between the two degrees but forgot to add it. Duh.
Thanks, sugar

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Ceridwen
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posted April 29, 2014 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Faith,

very interesting thought!


Saturn/Pluto = VX/MC - rounded 29 Leo
A Mermaid Emerges From The Ocean Waves Ready For Rebirth In Human Form
Keywords: fantasy, creativity, feelings, dreams, inspiration.


Mars/Saturn = Saturn/ASC - 27 Virgo
A Group Of Aristocratic Ladies Meet Ceremonially At A Court's Function
Keywords: social recognition, to succeed in career, to respect the social rules, experience, maturity, to enjoy life at a high level, a sophisticated person.

Saturn/Neptune = Saturn/NN - 29 Virgo
A Seeker After Occult Knowledge Is Reading An Ancient Scroll Which Illumines His Mind
Keywords: mystery, to have more than average information, advantage, wisdom, curiosity, an inquisitive person, chance, discovery.

Neptune/Vx = NN/VX - 01 Libra
In A Collection Of Perfect Specimens Of Many Biological Forms, A Butterfly Displays The Beauty Of Its Wings, Its Body Impaled By A Fine Dart
Keywords: self-expression, art, perfection, durability, a valuable creation which won’t lose her value in time, harmony.


Sun/Saturn = Mercury/Saturn - 07 Libra
A Woman Feeding Chickens And Protecting Them From The Hawks

Keywords: protection, feelings, house, family, a person dedicated to help weaker people, fight, conflicts.


Mercury/Vx = Sun/Vx - 09 Libra
Three "Old Masters" Hanging On The Wall Of A Special Room In An Art Gallery
Keywords: wisdom, experience, completeness, art, value, skill, talent, heritage.

Mars/Pluto = NN/MC = Neptune/MC - 08 Scorpio4
A Calm Lake Bathed In Moonlight

Keywords: love, romance, feelings, imagination, magic, release, harmony, peace.


Neptune/Pluto = NN/Pluto - 10 Scorpio
A Fellowship Supper Reunites Old Comrades
Keywords: fraternity, friendship, distinction, honour, respect.


Sun/MC = Mercury/MC - 16 Scorp
A Girl's Face Breaking Into A Smile
Keywords: harmony, peace, good relations with others, friendship.


Venus/MC = Uranus/Neptune = Uranus/ NN - 21 SCorpio
Obeying His Conscience, A Soldier Resists Orders

Keywords: expectations of others are not met, undisciplined person, to disobey orders, deviation.


Mercury/Uranus = Sun/Uranus - 29 SCorpio
An Indian Squaw Pleading To The Chief For The Lives Of Her Children
Keywords: courage, sacrifice for family, feelings, love for family, persuasive person, drama.

ASC = Mars/Neptune = Mars/NN 08 Sag
Within The Depths Of The Earth New Elements Are Being Formed
Keywords: composition, roots, foundation, inner side of a person, hidden existence.

Neptune/ASC = NN/ASC 09 Sag
A Mother Leads Her Small Child Step By Step Up A Steep Stairway
Keywords: protection, evolution, progress, family, education.

Sun/Mars = Mercury/Mars 16 Sag
Sea Gulls Fly Around A Ship In Expectation Of Food
Keywords: opportunity, intuition, to help, to ask for privileges and rewards.

Mercury/ASC = Sun/ASC 17 SAg
An Easter Sunrise Service Draws A Large Crowd
Keywords: religion, spirituality, immortal values, purity, sacrifice.

Mercury/Neptune = Mercury/NN = Sun/Neptune 18 Sag
Pelicans Menaced By The Behavior And Refuse Of Men Seek Safer Areas For Bringing Up Their Young
Keywords: wisdom, integrity, harmony, change, evolution, transformation.


Venus/Neptune = Jupiter/MC = Venus/NN 24 Sag
A Bluebird Perched On The Gate Of A Cottage
Keywords: luck, rewards, unexpected opportunity, fortune, happiness, to enjoy life.

Mercury=Sun= Jupiter/PLuto 26 Sag
A Flag Bearer In A Battle
Keywords: symbol, to represent a group, to sustain an idea, courage, respect, sacrifice.

Venus= Jupiter/Uranus 07 Cap
A Veiled Prophet Speaks, Seized By The Power Of A God
Keywords: vision, experience, wisdom, mystery, power, potential, confusion.


Moon/Neptune= Moon/NN 14 Cap
An Ancient Bas-Relief Carved In Granite Remains A Witness To A Long-Forgotten Culture
Keywords: art, skill, value, foundation, work is a creation which will last long time.

Sun/Moon= Moon/Mercury 22 Cap
By Accepting Defeat Gracefully, A General Reveals Nobility Of Character
Keywords: honour, experience, maturity, dignity, fall after victory.


Jupiter/Neptune = Jupiter/NN 26 Cap
A Nature Sprit Dancing In The Iridescent Mist Of A Waterfall
Keywords: opportunity, ideals, success, spontaneity.


Mercury/jupiter = Sun/Jupiter 04 Aqua
A Hindu Yogi Demonstrates His Healing Powers
Keywords: spirituality, medicine, therapy, wisdom.

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Faith
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posted April 29, 2014 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Ceri!

Mmm, picking my favorites from your midpoints, it's like shopping at a candy store.

I like THIS:

quote:
Mars/Pluto = NN/MC = Neptune/MC - 08 Scorpio4
A Calm Lake Bathed In Moonlight
Keywords: love, romance, feelings, imagination, magic, release, harmony, peace.

So you!

Oh and this one:

quote:
Venus/MC = Uranus/Neptune = Uranus/ NN - 21 SCorpio
Obeying His Conscience, A Soldier Resists Orders
Keywords: expectations of others are not met, undisciplined person, to disobey orders, deviation.

Conjunct my NN It's a relief to see that I'm "destined" to become undisciplined and deviant. lol

quote:
ASC = Mars/Neptune = Mars/NN 08 Sag
Within The Depths Of The Earth New Elements Are Being Formed
Keywords: composition, roots, foundation, inner side of a person, hidden existence

ASC on the Mars/Neptune MP is very cool; maybe that's one reason why you have such an expressive face.

quote:
Venus= Jupiter/Uranus 07 Cap
A Veiled Prophet Speaks, Seized By The Power Of A God
Keywords: vision, experience, wisdom, mystery, power, potential, confusion.

Nice and straightforward, plus an interesting meaning!

Hmm, my Kassandra asteroid is there...pretty good placement for that...not that it matters how good my prophecies would be if no one would listen. lol

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ETA: A little off topic, planets conjunct midpoints, but this thread wasn't picking up much interest anyway. Recording this mainly for my own future reference:

1.sun = Jupiter/Pluto MP

quote:
Sun: A person with a huge ego. The desire to be a high profile individual. To become a master of great powers. One who has extremely big goals.

Planets activating Jupiter/Pluto midpoint

2. moon = Saturn/Uranus

quote:
Moon: A person who is highly sensitive to others having negative reactions to their individuality and uniqueness. A desire to let go of emotional insecurities, but a fear of doing so.

Planets activating Saturn/Uranus midpoint

3. Pluto = Mercury/Mars MP:

quote:
Pluto: The relentless urge to communicate, and potential agitation when it isn't working. The need to find better ways of getting one's ideas across. Attempting to gain power over another through verbal hostility or abuse.

Planets activating the Mercury/Mars midpoint

4. Pluto = Neptune/ASC MP:

quote:
Pluto: To feel pressured by being confused about who one is. The need to see one's own higher and more ideal aspects. To be uplifted by identifying with one's spiritual self can profoundly change one's life.

Planets activating the Neptune/Ascendant midpoint

5. NN = Mars/Chiron MP:

quote:
Node: The need to tune in to one's personal spiritual guidance so that one will know what one needs to do to overcome one's limiting ties to the past and assertively move forward.

Planets activating the Mars/Chiron midpoint

6. Pluto square moon/Uranus MP:

quote:
Pluto: To war with one's own subconscious, in that one tries to control or repress or ignore it's contents, but it retaliates by relentlessly pursuing one.

Planets activating the Moon/Uranus midpoint

7. Venus square Pluto/Saturn MP:

quote:
Venus: Extreme frustrations felt in love. A love of very deep, transformative connections with other people. A love of anything which is profoundly spiritual. To feel utterly and totally unloved, which can push one toward transformative spiritual experiences and a realization of the power of divine love.

Planets activating the Saturn/Pluto midpoint

8. Neptune square Mars/Venus MP

quote:
Neptune: Subtlety and refinement in the expression of passion. An imaginative, gothic, or romantic love nature. Lack of efficiency due to confusion, or, when one develops one's psychic sense, the ability to enlist one's intuition in the successful accomplishment of tasks.

Planets activating the Venus/Mars midpoint

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Ceridwen
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posted April 30, 2014 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"it's like shopping at a candy store."
LOL
I like the pic, too, btw.

I like THIS:

quote:
Mars/Pluto = NN/MC = Neptune/MC - 08 Scorpio4
A Calm Lake Bathed In Moonlight
"
Yes, me, too. Funny how the ecclipse was triggering these midpoints.


"quote:
Venus/MC = Uranus/Neptune = Uranus/ NN - 21 SCorpio"
LOL
How funny but in many persona charts my NN ends up on 21 Scorpio, too.


"Conjunct my NN "
my 12th house cusp is on 21 Scorpio.
So your Nn is conjunct my 12th house cusp EXACT.


"Hmm, my Kassandra asteroid is there...pretty good placement for that...not that it matters how good my prophecies would be if no one would listen. lol"

my Kassandra is exactly conjunct my DNA and opposite my Chiron and square my VErtex, so if someone can complain, it must be me.

"1.sun = Jupiter/Pluto MP"
I have that, too! And Mercury is on my Jupiter/Pluto MP, too.

"2. moon = Saturn/Uranus"
my Uranus = Moon/Saturn (2 Taurus btw)

"Neptune square Mars/Venus MP

quote:
Neptune: Subtlety and refinement in the expression of passion. An imaginative, gothic, or romantic love nature. Lack of efficiency due to confusion, or, when one develops one's psychic sense, the ability to enlist one's intuition in the successful accomplishment of tasks.
Planets activating the Venus/Mars midpoint
"

Interestingly his Neptune is conjunct my Venus/Mars-mp exact

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Ceridwen
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posted May 09, 2014 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where have you gone to, my lovely?

6th page? That`s not right. WE`ve got to change it.

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