posted May 03, 2014 09:06 AM            

1. Do you really, really take things personally like cannot pull back and assess insults etc

2. Do you feel very wrapped up in your own perceptions such that is is hard to see things from another persons point of view.

Thanks. Please, tell me how close the combust it, too.

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posted May 03, 2014 09:57 AM              

For most of my life I had the opposite problem, seeing things so much from another`s point of view, that I sometimes was not even knowing what I was thinking or what MY very own perspective was at all (though luckily I have founda balance now).

The Sun-Mercury-conjunction is close: 0°53.

But Neptune is the ruler of my 3rd house and conjunct my ASC rather closely, also conjuncts NN in 1st, and Mars in 12th, as ruler of the IC.

posted May 03, 2014 12:27 PM            

I have a bunch of cazimis and combusts. I do have sun mercury combust (4'30ish") in sag in 8th.

There are two sides to everyone: attached and detached. Depending on the level of attachment, different parts of me will get activated.

Detached:

There are times when I get casually offended, but that's not the same as taking it personally. People may not insult me. They can joke at my expense, that's ok! I will participate in that fun. But if they cross a line, I will put them in their place. I don't usually take it personally when they do it and they shouldn't take it personally when I do it.

Attached:

When our heart is somehow triggered by an insult, we get hurt, and as a consequence, often offended. That's when we take it personally. The heart has to mature so that it learns when it is appropriate to be attached and detached in response to an insult. Both reactions are important.

Example:

The best way for me to answer your question would be to mention another one of your posts, Ami

When James Holmes, the Colorado killer, went off and did his thing, you posted an article analyzing him. Because he was a killer, you primarily looked at the negative manifestations of his chart.

Holmes and I were born within 28 hours of each other.When I stumbled across your article, I should have thought, "does this make me a killer?" But my first reaction was, "oh look! A free reading! I can probably use this to figure out the interesting asteroids in my chart." it was very insightful into my darker side.

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posted May 04, 2014 01:55 AM            

I think your conclusion in the past about combust mercury is the only one thing I disagreed with you. Personally I've noticed combust mercuries, myself included, can be rash. Thinking too quickly so to speak, but def not taking things personally.
I'm rarely incapable of seeing the other viewpoint. I work in groups a lot and I am very good at being devil's advocate. I think inability to see the other viewpoint might have something to do with neptune, mars, air void.

posted May 04, 2014 03:44 AM              

The amount of people with sun conjunct mercury is staggering even in vedic astrology WHERE THE COMBUSTION IS USED MOST.

posted May 04, 2014 07:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
From what I have heard combust is anything up to 8 degrees, Cazimi under 18 minutes

Combust will weaken the planet, burn it up.in the sun's overwhelming heat so to speak. The cazimi (much rarer obviously) actually gives the planet a supercharge, as if.it absorbs power from the sun...

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What I have heard is the combust is 0-5 and the conj is 5-10. The conj is good. The cazimi is super close, as you say, but I cannot see how it would be good.

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posted May 04, 2014 07:18 AM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
Ami,

I think your conclusion in the past about combust mercury is the only one thing I disagreed with you. Personally I've noticed combust mercuries, myself included, can be rash. Thinking too quickly so to speak, but def not taking things personally.
I'm rarely incapable of seeing the other viewpoint. I work in groups a lot and I am very good at being devil's advocate. I think inability to see the other viewpoint might have something to do with neptune, mars, air void.

I have mercury combust, conjunct saturn so I'm actually very structural, hard fact person and tend toward self-depreciation/being overly cautious. I wouldn't take things personally but rather assume I make mistake. I'm also heavy Cappy so that's probably why

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Thanks for your input! I am not saying this about you but people with the combust often don't see themselves clearly enough to see the combust traits in themselves. The observer may see it but the native may not.

For you, Saturn conj Merc would make you more circumspect in how you treated others. If you wanted to be mean, you would pull back and think about it. Do you feel this?

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posted May 04, 2014 07:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Ami....I have to answer your questions with, no and no.
I have never been able to wrap my head around or feel what your saying with regard to your interpretation of a combust, I think when I was younger I was over sensitive but I guess just growing up got rid of that. So now...I don't think I can blame the combust for that because I still have that even now, and now I'm not over sensitive now.

I know you get your feelings about it due to your mom n how she acts.....but my son and I have the same thing. His Chiron even sits on my combust just like your mom n you...yet me n him really try to get each other!
Just the other day he broke down n started crying over the way his dad treats him due to the religion his dad is in and my son doesn't want to be part of, I cried with him and was so proud of him for feeling safe n expressing his feelings....I don't feel anything like you have expressed I really think it has to be something else that has caused the rift with your mom...it's not the combust, IMO!

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Aww Gabby!

Well, I wonder if the combust may be mitigated if the people have a wonderful synastry.

Do you have this with your son?

You and I have a wonderful synastry. Howeve, for YOU, you have the Unaspected Moon which is nuclear empathy, so you have to add that to the mix.

If what I say about the combust is true, for purposes of discussion, in your case, you have strong factors to balance it like that Unapsected Moon.

What do you think?

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posted May 04, 2014 07:24 AM            

No one ever masters Astrology and I will change anything if I find I am wrong.

One has to be humble if one is to learn anything well.

I am thinking that strong mitigating factors for empathy can mitigate the combust such as Gabby's Unaspected Moon which is a nuclear empathy.

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posted May 04, 2014 07:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I know the theory of combustion, but I have never seen it played out like that. Instead what I observed is that the planet, who`s combust, seems to get "over-emphasized"

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What do you mean, Ceri?

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posted May 04, 2014 08:10 AM              

The trait associated with the planet in combustion usually gets expressed very clearly, visibly, but sometimes in a way that can be even detrimental, as it disturbs the balance of the other aspects of the native`s personality.

For example with someone who has Moon closely conjunct Sun, even though it technically should be invisible, I have found that it becomes a focal part of the personality. People who are very quick to respond instinctively to a stimulus (not necssarily emotionally, though, that depends on the signbackground.).

For someone with Saturn conjunct Sun - well my friend has that, and she is such a Saturnian person. I love her to bits, but seriously, sometimes the judgemental attitude gets to me. lol
It is not intentional though, it is just that she has a very structured perspective on things, knows exactly how things "should" be, but is not ncessarily aware of this trait. It is just how she is.
Saturn conjunct Sun closely.

Another person I know has Sun conjunct Uranus. the poster image of a bachelor, very quirky, very independent, original and creative thinking.

Sun conjunct Neptune. All about protecting minorities, especially environment and animals and whatever is small and needs protection, but might get overboard with all that, this Neptunian mission-thinking just gets expressed so vehemently, that it can get a ltitle too much for everyone else in his surrounding.

It might be hapening often but yes, my Sun conjunct Mercury. I need to consciously strive for including my other parts as well, as so much gets filtered and expressed in a mercurial way. If some input reaches me, some stimulus, it gets analyzed, sometimes to death.
That need to understand, take things apart mentally, think them trhough, analyze them, and put them together again, sometimes categorize them to get a clear grasp, that is definitely my Mercdury in play there. And yes I know how much I can go on someone else`s nerves with that.

You don`t have to understand everything.
- but yes, I have to. -

So unlike it is said that the planet disappears, I have found that it becomes a vwery strong and obvious part of the personality and gets expressed strongly, but sometimes can be blown out of proportions, and as it so much integrated with the core-fire of the personality, people themselves are not always aware just as how much they emphasize or express these qualities, and are maybe not aware that others do not always understand the need for this planet to become so much a focus of the personality.

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my case might be a little extreme, as my Moon is traditionally unaspected (though the exact quinkunx to Saturn makes itself felt).

And actually the Sun-Mercury-conjunction is a little isolated, too. Sextile Uranus, but over 5 degrees and out of signs, so some would not even count it.

posted May 04, 2014 09:22 AM            

Would you count a 9-10 degree orb.

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posted May 05, 2014 01:29 PM            

The answer was no and no.

I can at least say for the second one that seeing things from another's point of view is one of his biggest strengths.

posted August 25, 2018 07:46 PM            

I’ll see another person’s point of view based on how they present it. Shove it down my throat? Nope. Slap me in the face with it? Nope. Backstab me with it? Nope!!
Lay it all out on the table? Let me have a ponder or two?
Yes, I’ll always take your point of view into account and if it’s more LOGICAL than mine, I’ll take your side without a flinch.