posted May 11, 2014 02:36 PM            

Maybe someone can help in understanding how Pluto affects relationships?

I have read that in a synastry, the one who is the Pluto feels the most the crazy energy. I wonder if having someone’s planets in your 8th house can be analogous to that type of feelings? Can Saturn influence and make the “afflicted” person more in control of their energy?

I am obsessed with a guy I met a few months ago. His Pluto conjuncts my Moon and trines my Venus. His Mars trines my Pluto. And both his Moon and Venus fall in my 8th house (my moon is in his 1st and my Venus in 5th). However my Saturn squares his Venus. My sun rises in Pisces, as my Venus, plus a Scorpion Moon (so I guess I am very much NOT in control of my emotions). This guy is a Capricorn with an Aquarian Moon and Aquarian Venus (so he just plays everything cool). He just flirts with me, while I am dying, having dreams, fantasies, and unable to think of anything else. I met this guy and broke up a very long relationship within a month of being overwhelmed by these feelings, without any indication from this guy (also in my solar return Uranus in on my 7th house, so I am liberating myself after exactly 7 years). This is how overwhelmed I feel.

From what I have read, my explanations are that his Moon and Venus in my 8th house are behaving as strong Plutonian aspects, so I am going crazy (and my Neptunian self keeps daydreaming about it). And that my Saturn turns his Venus off so much, plus his Aquarian nature, that he just doesn’t feel this. Regardless of how involved his Pluto is in the synastry.

Is this a correct assessment? Any thoughts on this?

posted May 11, 2014 03:05 PM            

yes, the 8th house would give plutonian-type feelings because it's ruled by scorpio. but it'll be the house person affected more (which is you) - it won't lead him to be more obsessed, just you. so if his planets are hitting your 8th and you're already a scorpio moon you'll be obsessing on him overtime, especially since a venus is sitting in the 8th. "who feels it more" between the house/planet person is a heated debate in astrology so expect some other answers. I don't think the planet person is immune, but it'll be mainly you.

posted May 11, 2014 03:27 PM            

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Originally posted by starmoon:
I dated someone once who I had a venus/pluto conjunction with and he had no real pluto aspects so he didn't feel anything to the degree I did.

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So having unaspected planets in you natal chart would make you less susceptible to their influence in a, for example, synastry? Is this also the case for unaspected houses? My 8th house in empty on my natal, but like I mentioned, I feel so intensely now.
Thanks for the comment!

Here is the chart of the synastry: http://www.astro.com/tmpd/cs1dfileOFudwp-u1392854185/astro_61gw_01_02_anonymous_anonymous.69120.21243.gif

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Have you, per chance, watched HBO's True Detective?

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posted May 11, 2014 03:50 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
and I agree with what Starmoon said, about the whole dynamics with Pluto and 8th house.

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posted May 11, 2014 03:54 PM            

your 5th house ruler (falling in love): Pluto, in Scorpio
your 7th house (best partner) ruler, Jupiter, dispositor Saturn, in Scorpio
your 8th house (sexual attraction) ruler, Saturn, in Scorpio!

all his 5th, 7th and 8th house rulers lead to Uranus. I'd say this man needs someone with some personal planets in his 11th, on Leo/Aquarius axis, to feel in love and committed. and something directly on his Uranus. The venus saturn is not that bad because it forms a complementary pair with mars saturn, but it;s a pity saturn is the ONLY aspect to his venus.

you have a strong Scorpio emphasis with 4 major planets and love rulers there. he has three personal planets in aqua.

but it is interesting you both have the moon on 5th house cusp. that point for you is very sensitive and being so aspected by his planets, especially with sun and mars, no wonder you feel smitten. plus moon/pluto in scorpio 5th is already a strong placement for the feelings you describe.

he has moon on 5th house cusp too, that moon would be very stimulated for him to fall in love, unfortunately it isn't very stimulated by your planets.

however, it is interesting that the final dispositor of your love houses is Pluto for both of you. but I think it is he who enhances your pluto, not the other way around. you do have venus conjunct mars though, even out of sign. he triggers you more than you trigger him because his aquarian moon and venus are poorly aspected by your planets.

posted May 11, 2014 04:07 PM            

But I think the key to the mystery lies in his Aquarian placements, with his Moon and Venus not quite aspected by your love planets, you're not exactly his "astrological" type.

posted May 11, 2014 04:12 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
it's a 5th house matter (falling in love), not an 8th house matter IMO

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So true. I never fall for anyone who doesn't place planets in the 5th or contact my 5th house ruler. And I'm the kind of person who like Plutonic relationships too, it's just that the 5th house being activated is IMO necessary for most people in romantic synastry.

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
But I think the key to the mystery lies in his Aquarian placements, with his Moon and Venus not quite aspected by your love planets, you're not exactly his "astrological" type.

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I agree, but you'd have to check declinations and midpoints to be sure.

posted May 11, 2014 04:14 PM            

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Originally posted by lifefullofwords:
I agree, but you'd have to check declinations and midpoints to be sure.

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you're right...it's just a first glance opinion

posted May 11, 2014 04:14 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
It's a bit of a mismatch between you too; you are very Scorpionic, he is very Aquarian.
I'll try to explain with love rulers:

your 5th house ruler (falling in love): Pluto, in Scorpio
your 7th house (best partner) ruler, Jupiter, dispositor Saturn, in Scorpio
your 8th house (sexual attraction) ruler, Saturn, in Scorpio!

all his 5th, 7th and 8th house rulers lead to Uranus. I'd say this man needs someone with some personal planets in his 11th, on Leo/Aquarius axis, to feel in love and committed. and something directly on his Uranus. The venus saturn is not that bad because it forms a complementary pair with mars saturn, but it;s a pity saturn is the ONLY aspect to his venus.

you have a strong Scorpio emphasis with 4 major planets and love rulers there. he has three personal planets in aqua.

but it is interesting you both have the moon on 5th house cusp. that point for you is very sensitive and being so aspected by his planets, especially with sun and mars, no wonder you feel smitten. plus moon/pluto in scorpio 5th is already a strong placement for the feelings you describe.

he has moon on 5th house cusp too, that moon would be very stimulated for him to fall in love, unfortunately it isn't very stimulated by your planets.

however, it is interesting that the final dispositor of your love houses is Pluto for both of you. but I think it is he who enhances your pluto, not the other way around. you do have venus conjunct mars though, even out of sign. he triggers you more than you trigger him because his aquarian moon and venus are poorly aspected by your planets.

hope it helped, although...follow your heart!

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posted May 11, 2014 04:19 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
And you know, a lot of your attraction comes from that Venus/Mars conjunction as well, but I think if you knew him better, you'd discover you're not that compatible (it's an Aquarius Mars, with Pisces Venus and Scorpio Moon ugh... not so much!)

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I know! That is why I thought it is just me being obsessed with him. Not like love.

posted May 11, 2014 04:24 PM            

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Originally posted by cusillo:

However, intellectually we are all over each other. We work together doing research (so I interact with him for extended periods every day), and I am fascinated by his intellect and he seems to be into my mind as well. Even after working hours we keep sending each other emails or texts commenting on our findings and different approaches that we could take.

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posted May 11, 2014 04:27 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
you're right...it's just a first glance opinion

what midpoints are you suggesting?

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His Moon/Venus MP for sure since that's what appears to be unactivated. Also, his Moon or Venus contacting one or her romantic midpoints, like (off the top of my head) Sun/Venus, Venus/ASC, or Venus/Mars. Basically any MP involving either his Moon and/or Venus and her personal planets (minus Mercury) or ASC would be significant.

posted May 11, 2014 04:35 PM            

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Originally posted by cusillo:
However, intellectually we are all over each other. We work together doing research (so I interact with him for extended periods every day), and I am fascinated by his intellect and he seems to be into my mind as well. Even after working hours we keep sending each other emails or texts commenting on our findings and different approaches that we could take.

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posted May 11, 2014 04:38 PM            

BTW, I've discovered an awesome Golden Yod in my synastry: my Moon (Leo) quintile Uranus (Libra), his Sun in Pisces biquintile Uranus and my Moon, opposite my Sun (1deg), release point of the Yod. I remember you're quite an expert on golden yods: care to give me your opinion? or could you direct me to some links on the golden yod? I'm very excited about it, still pondering on how to interpret it. Thanks!

posted May 11, 2014 04:45 PM            

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Originally posted by lifefullofwords:
I thought you two might have that kind of connection! You have good Mercury synastry. I noticed you also have your Mercury sesqui his Saturn. Assuming it's in tight orb, I'm wondering if you take intellectual matters more seriously around him or if it's hard for you to express your emotions to him or both. I have had this aspect myself as a DW and I'm curious how strong it is when only one person experiences it.

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It is at an orb of 0°52', so pretty tight!

I do take intellectual matters more seriously around him. He kind of pushes me to work harder and find my true abilities, and at the beginning of our friendship he gave me a long speech on how he pushes me harder than other members of our working group because he knows I am the most talented there.

posted May 11, 2014 05:35 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Thanks, lifefullofwords

BTW, I've discovered an awesome Golden Yod in my synastry: my Moon (Leo) quintile Uranus (Libra), his Sun in Pisces biquintile Uranus and my Moon, opposite my Sun (1deg), release point of the Yod. I remember you're quite an expert on golden yods: care to give me your opinion? or could you direct me to some links on the golden yod? I'm very excited about it, still pondering on how to interpret it. Thanks!

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That's so cool! I've always wanted a golden yod in synastry. The aspects that are part of them are supercharged, especially since it sounds like midpoints are involved (I'd check to make sure that's the case since aspect patterns are significantly stronger when MPs are activated). His planets form bQs with yours and not quintiles, correct? I've found bQs have a Neptunian quality, they can be very romantic when they're powerful (depending on the planets involved), which yours will be! You should feel your Moon-Uranus quintile quite strongly when he is around too, since he activates it in your chart.

Unfortunately I haven't read much about golden yods in synastry, in general 5th harmonic aspects are sadly somewhat overlooked. If I find some links I will post them later. I don't know that I'm an expert (although you're sweet to say so) but I'll give interpreting it my best shot. The relationship will likely make both of you, but perhaps especially you, feel extra creative. You may enjoy artistic pursuits or bond over shared creative interests. Especially if you are both 5th harmonic people natally because that means you are likely already quite creative. It will give you a powerful personal connection too that will likely develop over time and not be immediately apparent. But once the relationship gets going you may discover romantic or at least more intense feelings for one another (depending of course as always on the rest of the synastry).

To me, there is something very special about 5th harmonic connections, I actually prefer them to other soft aspects because they are more interesting. The two of your may feel more brilliant around one another than you do apart. I always felt like my ex and I were more amazing at romance and sex together than we were separately. We had Venus bQ Venus and Mars bQ Mars in tight aspect.

Sun bQ Moon should give you two a rather magical connection I would think. Sun-Moon is IMO always really significant regardless of the aspect. His ego should complement your emotional nature. With Sun opposite Sun you likely balance each other in many ways. The nice thing about Moon bQ Uranus is you can get all of the excitement without the problems that would be caused by the hard aspects. He probably really stimulates you emotionally. I think Uranus is great in soft aspect.

Personally I think 5th harmonic aspects are awesome... they are like sextiles but more special. Plus I for one love anything that makes me feel extra creative!

posted May 11, 2014 05:37 PM            

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Originally posted by jjj:
I can see that your Scorpio planets and his Aqua planets are at each other's so-called antiscia (or solstice or mirror) points, it can add attraction between aqua-scoprio placements that otherwise seem incompatible.
Cappy-Pisces is a sweet combination

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posted May 11, 2014 05:51 PM            

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Originally posted by cusillo:
It is at an orb of 0°52', so pretty tight!

I do take intellectual matters more seriously around him. He kind of pushes me to work harder and find my true abilities, and at the beginning of our friendship he gave me a long speech on how he pushes me harder than other members of our working group because he knows I am the most talented there.

BUT, I also feel like I can't or won't express my emotions in front of him (since I am fully aware of his effect on me and I don't want to make things weirder). We had a weird night were things kind of happened because I was too drunk. While he wanted to cuddle afterwards I panicked and left the scene when he fell asleep, and then just acted as if everything was just a crazy night that shall not be repeated. I feel like escaping!

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I knew Mars sesqui Saturn would have that effect! Even though sesquiquadrates are hard aspect they are at least stimulating so I'm not surprised it is paying off at work. The downside is definitely difficulty communicating emotions, that sucks that you're having trouble with that. I can see why though, I wouldn't want to make things awkward either. At least you two have Moon sextile Mercury, that should help.

Also, your Mars is conjunct his Saturn so that's partly why that night didn't work out. Saturn can really delay the development of relationships and with Mars that could play out in the sexual realm or stop you from taking any kind of action.

posted May 11, 2014 05:55 PM            

I have a Moon quintile Uranus in my natal (1,30 orb). He comes with his Uranus (we share the same Uranus) and makes it exact: a perfect 72 deg! And my Sun (21 virgo) is exactly the midpoint of this quintile (Moon 15 Leo, Uranus 27 Libra), his Sun opposite my Sun 1 deg. as I said. Both biquintiles are also exact: 144! It is an exact Golden Yod.
We are at the beginning, but I've felt that activation of my quintile you were talking about right from the start. I'll regard this Yod as a blessing to an already solid synastry and hopefully there are great adventures ahead of us together

posted May 11, 2014 05:56 PM            

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Originally posted by jjj:
I can see that your Scorpio planets and his Aqua planets are at each other's so-called antiscia (or solstice or mirror) points, it can add attraction between aqua-scoprio placements that otherwise seem incompatible.
Cappy-Pisces is a sweet combination

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Is there an easy way to calculate antiscia? Or does it have to be done by hand?