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Odette
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posted May 13, 2014 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you have this aspect in natal and/or a Scorpio Moon -- is your mother a very private and secretive person? Do you feel like there are a lot of personal things about her she doesn't want to share with you?

Also, if you know men with this aspect.. (or if you are a man with this aspect) - do they seem a bit clueless about femininity/women... kind of like you have to explain and teach them everything from scratch - because their mom never talked to them about "what it's like to be a woman"(she never discussed her worries, concerns, decisions and life story basically...).
Do they seem a bit 'in the dark' about women? It reminds me of the movie "What women want".. They perpetually feel like they don't understand.


Note to AquaGuy - Hey!
Naturally it would be great if you answered this thread, but I didn't want you to think the question was directed at you or about you. I've known a few men with Moon/Pluto in my life.

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posted May 13, 2014 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No... Actually my mom tells me more then I would like to know. And about understanding women... I have never met a heterosexual man who truly understands women.. Just ask them if they do and most of them will tell you that they dont. Lol

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posted May 13, 2014 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lilithsquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Odette:
If you have this aspect in natal and/or a Scorpio Moon -- is your mother a very private and secretive person? Do you feel like there are a lot of personal things about her she doesn't want to share with you?


I have a Moon/Pluto square (Pluto in Scorpio, not Moon ) and would have to say yes.

She was very not involved in my younger years and didn't really do a good job of preparing me for adulthood. She and my dad should probably have gotten divorced years ago but she especially is trying to put up this weird facade of perfection which is slightly hilarious.

I have tons of resentment towards her which is hard to let go of. She was very nosy about my life/ going through my things and gossiping about me to other people... (and does occasionally try to make me feel guilty about me now not telling her anything about my life.)

So i guess the secrecy is not one-sided but out of necessity on my part at least in a way?

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posted May 13, 2014 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lilithsquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I have never met a heterosexual man who truly understands women.. Just ask them if they do and most of them will tell you that they dont. Lol

Yeah, it's not like we're all human beings or anything.

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posted May 13, 2014 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^^

It's pretty evident that you did not have a proper female role model with the stories you describe of your mother and that explains everything.
Plus Moon square Venus

My mom had scorpio moon and my grandmother was a libra and she was very fake gossipy which sort of highlighted a negative opinion of women.. And rejecting close relationships with women although my Moon conjuncts Venus which shows that my mother was a positive female role model in my life.

I disagree my father has Libra moon conjunct Neptune in the 4th house is a good example of a hetero man who relates to feminine energy, many of his friends are women. He's 50+ gen which often were more gender segregated.

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posted May 13, 2014 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
^^

It's pretty evident that you did not have a proper female role model with the stories you describe of your mother and that explains everything.
Plus Moon square Venus

My mom had scorpio moon and my grandmother was a libra and she was very fake gossipy which sort of highlighted a negative opinion of women.. And rejecting close relationships with women although my Moon conjuncts Venus which shows that my mother was a positive female role model in my life.

I disagree my father has Libra moon conjunct Neptune in the 4th house is a good example of a hetero man who relates to feminine energy, many of his friends are women. He's 50+ gen which often were more gender segregated.


Generally speaking, men with good Moon-Neptune aspects tend to relate well to women. My dad acts pretty similar.

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posted May 13, 2014 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chiemi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon trine Pluto here.

My mom actually tells me a lot too even more so than my older sister imo.

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posted May 13, 2014 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nicole401     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been thinking about this same thing for a while lol - like this EXACT SAME thing.

My boyfriend has the conjunction (wide-ish) and his family just seems so "shady" to me. He hardly knows anything about his family and their past (which is weird to me because I feel the need to know everything about my family's past lol - and yes I do ask!) However, unlike me, he doesn't ask - and they don't tell.

He recently told me a story about how he found out his dad wasn't on his birth certificate - he accidentally overheard a lawyer while his mom spoke to her about it - trying to change it and put his dad's name on it. When he asked his mom about it all she said "Oh, it's nothing, nothing, don't worry about it", and generally avoided the topic.

& I agree with Aquaguy - most are usually absolutely clueless UNLESS they were raised by a single mom or something else..

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posted May 14, 2014 12:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venusian Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kerosene:
^^^

It's pretty evident that you did not have a proper female role model with the stories you describe of your mother and that explains everything.
Plus Moon square Venus

My mom had scorpio moon and my grandmother was a libra and she was very fake gossipy which sort of highlighted a negative opinion of women.. And rejecting close relationships with women although my Moon conjuncts Venus which shows that my mother was a positive female role model in my life.

I disagree my father has Libra moon conjunct Neptune in the 4th house is a good example of a hetero man who relates to feminine energy, many of his friends are women. He's 50+ gen which often were more gender segregated.


I have moon conjunct Venus and I once read that this is the Cinderella aspect. Jealous mother, cooking, and cleaning. Seriously she is a lazy ***** and hasn't cooked in centuries. I guess its different for women.

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posted May 14, 2014 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ironically I feel like my father is more jealous of me.

I think he wishes he was young and beautiful because every time my family members comments on how attractive and charming I am he makes like a sarcastic comments..

Like my cousin mentioned how my aunt told her I was the most charming and beautiful baby she has ever seen and how that opinion of me has sticked with her and my dad was like not anymore LMFAOOO

idk its not so vicious but I think he just misses his youth and vigor...

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posted May 14, 2014 12:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venusian Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Ironically I feel like my father is more jealous of me.

I think he wishes he was young and beautiful because every time my family comments on how attractive and charming I am he makes like a sarcastic comment..

idk its not so vicious but I think he just misses his youth and vigor.



So maybe with daughter it happens with mom and with son its father.

Read this: http://www.throughnightsfire.com/BitethePoisonedApple-MoonandVenusinaspect.html


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posted May 14, 2014 12:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you still have a positive opinion on feminine ideals? with compatible venus-moon?

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The Moon – Venus aspect can become ‘poisoned’ and painful at adolescence. The first love is a rite of passage for these individuals and often, our first love is our parent of the opposite sex. Yet, as the Moon-Venus individual blossoms into womanhood, she may be suddenly thrust away from her father or shamed (by her mother or other female role model) for expressing her love and affection in a natural way.

Awww my first love was for sure my mom was so obsessed with her. <333333333

My mom was a principle and in kindergarten I use to push other kids that tried to hug her lmfao

I don't think my dad tried to distance me away from her but this person I met in middle school

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posted May 14, 2014 12:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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They aren’t forced into a beauty competition with their Mother nor do they generally feel they have to shine less so that Mother can shine more. However, Moon-Venus in aspect in a male chart is often just as complicated, albeit in a different manner.

There can be a sense of confusion within the male psyche due to mixed signals he receives from his mother as to whether he should view her as the nurturing mother or the erotic lover. She may make him her ‘little man;’ perhaps as a replacement for a missing husband or an unhappy marriage or partnership. She may give her son all of the sensual strokes and comforting he needs, perhaps to feed her own sensual needs. This is not to be taken in a truly sexual manner – though that is also possible. Sensual touch does not necessarily mean sexual. A mother may stroke her child’s face or hair, give a back rub, or tuck him into bed and kiss him goodnight without any sexual thought or intent. However, beneath her loving touches is an erotic urge and need that may be going unfulfilled. Children are very intuitive and vulnerable and the young boy may feel responsible toward meeting his mother’s needs, even though he does not fully understand what it is she actually needs.

Another potential experience for men with Moon-Venus in their chart is the ‘hands-off’ mother. This type of experience can be even more painful than the male experience of trying to make the mother happy and meet her unknown sensual needs (though it is impossible as what she needs is a male lover, that which her son cannot fulfill). This is a more poisonous type of relationship because there is an underlying ‘incestuous’ feel in the ‘hands-off’ type of mother. She may be aware of erotic longings toward her son and this may be why she refuses to touch him. These are generally karmic relationships and they may have been lovers in a previous life, which only adds to the confusion for the child (and mother).

The complications for a Moon-Venus man in his future love relationships generally center on his not knowing whether he wants a mother or a lover type for a partner. He may fluctuate between the two types, unable to make up his mind. He may also tend to choose the lover only to try to turn her into a mother-figure as the relationship progresses. His poison is the confusion he carries within until he develops deeper self-awareness, which will most likely occur through difficult adult relationships. He may find that his most remarkable and healing relationship will be with a woman who shares a Moon-Venus aspect, but only if she has already awakened to Beauty.



LMFAO WUT....

though I didn't like when my mom would rub vicks vapor on my chest when I was sick as a kid because my chest is one of my endogenous zones...
dem funny feels... no thanks mum....

but yeah she would deff pamper me like putting all types of oils in my hair so it would shiny and healthy and always put sun screen or bug spray on me before I went outside to play.

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posted May 14, 2014 12:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sigh…this is going to sound a certain way but when I was younger, until maybe I was 22? I used to think my mom was jealous of me. I'm talented and independent and decisive and I think my mom sometimes resented that she wasn't that way, but wanted to be. My mom has also been overly private and secretive to me too. On top of that she always wanted to bond with me, but I preferred to keep the distance or keep her at arm's length. I don't even think it has to do with her being abusive when I was younger, but I'm just highly uncomfortable with the way she expresses her emotions. I think it'll get better as I get older though.

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posted May 14, 2014 01:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have an eighth house moon trine twelfth house Pluto and my mother is secretive and when I asked her something personal in the past she has snapped, "that's none of your business," so I don't ask her very much.

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Odette
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posted May 14, 2014 02:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I realised reading this that one positive thing about having a Leo mum is that she is so beyond happy with who she is, she could never be jealous of me haha
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posted May 14, 2014 06:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not private nor secretive. Actually the opposite - always dumping her stuff on anyone willing (and unwilling) to listen.

Nevertheless I'm sure there are tons of things I don't know about her. That's certain.

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posted May 14, 2014 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Both my mother and I have moon sq Pluto.

My mother is not secretive in any way. And she certainly is not jealous of me. She's not a jealous person at all.

Her mother was probably more private, reserved than mine but if you asked something she would tell you. She just didn't talk much about herself, she wasn't one for gossiping and idle chat though she liked to listen and be with the family.

Like Hannah though, my mother wanted to "bond" and I was alway too independent for that. I need my space.


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posted May 14, 2014 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My mom never did anything overt with her jealousy, it was just something I felt or knew. She would deny it. It's all perception anyway… and there are good points about her. She's sensitive when it comes to my dad picking on me, she's a very tough and strong woman, very much a fighter. I respect that about her, I guess Moon Pluto meant more emotional troubles with her than trouble with her overall.

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posted May 14, 2014 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My mom might have had problems with jealousy, too. She, at times, appeared jealous, not just of me. She would get jealous of other women. She wouldn't be jealous to anyone's face but her and my aunt as well would comment about other women's appearance and behavior which sounded like jealousy. She tried to be subtle at times. With others besides me, she was always subtle about her jealousy but it was apparent in what she said about others when they weren't around.

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