posted May 17, 2014 02:36 PM            

From what I glean, in common usage yuanfen means the "binding force" that links two people together in any relationship.

But interestingly, “fate” isn’t the same thing as “destiny.” Even if lovers are fated to find each other they may not end up together. The proverb, “have fate without destiny,” describes couples who meet, but who don’t stay together, for whatever reason. It’s interesting, to distinguish in love between the fated and the destined. Romantic comedies, of course, confound the two.

Reference: http://bigthink.com/harpys-review/the-top-10-relationship-words-that-arent-translatable-into-english
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In your opinion what transits or aspects result in the universe doing everything under its power for two people to meet who are not destined to stay together???

Would you say this is Uranus? Vertex? NN?

Would you say that Saturn deals more with destiny and Uranus with fate?

What is your view on these important distinctions between fate and destiny in the context of astrology?

posted May 17, 2014 02:54 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
It depends on what you understand by "staying together": staying together till death do them part? being together and having a fulfilled relationship, yet separating at some point?

Because all relationships serve a purpose in our destiny, even the ones that are meant to end or not to happen at all.

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If relationship lasted less than a year and it felt extremely fated the two of you coming together then that relationship was fated but you were not destined to be together.

If the relationship lasts till death do you part or many years then it was destined, not fated...

That is how I imagine the difference plays out...

You meet some people in your life and every cell of your body knows the encounter was fated but you are not destined to be together but fate makes sure the two of you meet and you are never the same after you "part" ways. (perhaps this is uranus and pluto in the works)

posted May 17, 2014 02:59 PM            

I also think that in the first case, there will be a number of very close conjunctions in synastry (asteroids included), like a few "hot spots" showing the nature of the fated encounter and its compulsory vibe, but no synastry weaving, as I like to call it: a complex,rather dense web of aspects, mirrors and complements between the charts, important Saturn contacts included.

posted May 17, 2014 03:20 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Well, you pretty much answered your own question

I also think that in the first case, there will be a number of very close conjunctions in synastry (asteroids included), like a few "hot spots" showing the nature of the fated encounter and its compulsory vibe, but no synastry weaving, as I like to call it: a complex,rather dense web of aspects, mirrors and complements between the charts, important Saturn contacts included.

I'd say this is more revealing for the first case than a specific aspect. Because you can have an Uranian or Plutonian theme in the destined synastries too. There is no planet in particular governing this, more like the general condition of the synastry establishes how enduring a synastry is.

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I think is a good distinction to brainstorm in the context of astrology..and yes I have some ideas but would love to hear what others have to say on it and how this has played out for them based on their experience...You mention synastry but isn't synastry more relevant at the beginning and then the composite becomes more important in determining if a relationship will last a long time?

OMG haha...

Fate is probably determined by synastry and destiny by composite! Nothing substitutes for me interacting with others in learning..

posted May 17, 2014 03:29 PM            

What is between these two people? What kind of couple are they, what kind of relationship this is? synastry

posted May 17, 2014 03:33 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:

Fate is probably determined by synastry and destiny by composite! Nothing substitutes for me interacting with others in learning..

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Normally, you should already see in the synastry if it's "fate" or "destiny" as you put it. Then you go the composite to confirm what you've just seen, to see additional details.

posted May 17, 2014 03:56 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
No, I don't see it this way. Both synastry and composite are permanent and they manifest ever since the relationship starts. You might say the synastry shows what brings them together, the dynamics, what really is between them, the nature of the relationship. The composite shows how the relationship is, how they behave as a couple and, along with Davison, tells you something about the story of this couple, but there's nothing in the composite you don't already have in the synastry. Let's say the composite is another look at the synastry, from a different perspective.

What is between these two people? What kind of couple are they, what kind of relationship this is? synastry

What is the story of this couple? How are they together vs. the world, the couple in the social context? composite

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If you look at the synastry bt my husband and I there is just no reason why it should have lasted so long; its very uranian and lacks the kind of depth that I like in a relationship but we didn't break up and in spite of all the fights......

You look at our composite and we have a stellium in the 8th in the sign of libra but jupiter in libra is in the 9th at 29 degrees.
We have six planets in libra and 5 are in the 8th.

That has to be the reason why we have stayed together for 7 years; our composite.

IDK....

posted May 18, 2014 02:10 PM            

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Originally posted by lalalinda:
Fate and Destiny?
Wouldn't that be the South Node (Fate)
and the North Node? (Destiny)

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Do you really think it's that simple? Ditto for the concept that it's synastry vs. composite. If there is a lesson embedded in astrology on this subject, I think it's that ultimately you cannot know. Until you experience this inescapable relationship, and then you can rationalize, "oh, it's because of the vertex interactions and Saturn conjunctions", etc.

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posted May 18, 2014 05:07 PM            

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Originally posted by lalalinda:
Fate and Destiny?
Wouldn't that be the South Node (Fate)
and the North Node? (Destiny)

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That is a very interesting point. Thanks, that is the sort of brainstorming I am looking for .

posted May 25, 2014 01:34 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I like your description on another thread, amelia, about Uranus being an "attractor", Pluto being a "deepener' (invented word lol) and Saturn being a "tester". As I said before, I believe they are in action all the time, they are permanent energies, but maybe orbs and aspects could play a role as to when they become active.

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This perspective deepens my understanding of the three outers...I always had the common understanding - innovation/genius, limitation/structure, and depth...