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Topic: Maximum orb for an angle conjunction in synastry
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I'm so cappy Knowflake Posts: 6687 From: Saturn (summer house on Chiron) Registered: Nov 2012
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posted May 18, 2014 08:15 PM
?And would it be different for an out of sign conjunction? ------------------ I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy. IP: Logged |
lifefullofwords Knowflake Posts: 217 From: Registered: Sep 2013
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posted May 18, 2014 08:33 PM
Well, when it comes to orbs I generally think that if you feel it then it's active. But as a rule I'd use a 5-6 degree orbs for angular conjunctions in synastry. I'd probably knock a degree off it it was out of sign though.I tend to be generous with orbs though so I wouldn't be surprised if others use a tighter orb. IP: Logged |
Doux Ręve Moderator Posts: 7893 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted May 19, 2014 06:39 AM
I tend to use pretty generous orbs, as well.~ 5, 6° IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 1673 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted May 19, 2014 07:11 AM
For Sun and Moon to angles I use 10.IP: Logged |
Doux Ręve Moderator Posts: 7893 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted May 19, 2014 07:14 AM
What about conjunctions from the previous house?E.g. Sun in someone's 6H - a few degrees away from the DSC. How many degrees is too many? IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 12590 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted May 19, 2014 07:16 AM
Even though I am using tight orbs, I would agree. I think that orbs under 3 degree will be more insistently felt, but you can still feel it up to 5 degrees certainly, and probably 6 as well. Depends also what is going on in the chart. For example I have a bunch of planets and points hovering around my ASC. ASC is 7 Sagittarius. mars is 5 Sag Neptune and NN are 10 Sag. Now lets say someone has a planet on 13 Sagittarius, it is wide off my ASC obviously, 6 degrees, but clearly conjunct Neptune and NN, which in turn are conjunct my ASC, so I would count it. It might be watered down in effect, but it is still there. though probably will take on a tad Neptunian note. However, I would not be inclined to place much importance on an ASC-planet colnjunction at 8 degrees, with ASC at 2 Aquarius and planet at 10 Aquarius for example, and nothing in between, and no other planet situated at around the middle of these, but in different signs, like something at 6 Leo, Scorpio, Taurus, even Gemini or Libra for example.
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I'm so cappy Knowflake Posts: 6687 From: Saturn (summer house on Chiron) Registered: Nov 2012
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posted May 19, 2014 07:18 AM
Hey, I meant angle to angle...------------------ I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 1673 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted May 19, 2014 07:21 AM
quote: Originally posted by I'm so cappy: Hey, I meant angle to angle...
To me, angle to angle is pretty wide too, even the angles in the same sign count, but a nice alignment would be spot on, like under 5. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 12590 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted May 19, 2014 07:28 AM
Actually when it comes to orb, I am using my categorization system as a rough guideline (meaning: pretending the aspects were really isolated and not part of a closed pattern). I. 0-00°59 II. 1°00 - 2°59 III. 3°00 - 4°59 IV. 5°00 - 5°59 aspects in the first category are a bit of an "automatic response", like you canīt help but respond to the trigger of the other planet.
second category is still very strongly felt. third category is felt, but usually with less intensity
fourth category is usually quite subtle. of course that is only generally speaking. As I said specific chart-conditions might modify this.
for example I just noticed something. It always puzzled me how I had the impression i felt this guys Mars trine my Venus so strongly, even though the orb was 5 degrees. Of course maybe I am really feeling something entirely different, but it just baffled me.
Anyway this weekend I realized that he is 5 years younger than me, and the orb is 5 years. Why is that importantß Well, because I realized that this means his solar arc Mars and my solar arc Venus are moving in tandem. Of course the aspects between solar arc planets do not change, as they are moved with the same speed, however in the solar arc of two different people there can be different aspects compared to the natal, depending on their age difference. I just found that interesting. In the case of this guy and me his sa Mars is currently at 16 Libra, my sa Venus is currently at 16 Aquarius. And for me it is important as my sa Venus is applying to exact conjunction to my natal Moon on 17 Aquarius. It also made me think that possibly the synastric solar arc direction puts an emphasis on wider aspects for that reason.
I know that many astrologers say to never ever compare solar arcs between different people, but frankly I cannot see the reason why, and I find them to be very sensitive in synastry. But I suppose that is beside the point. lol IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 12590 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted May 19, 2014 07:30 AM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: To me, angle to angle is pretty wide too, even the angles in the same sign count, but a nice alignment would be spot on, like under 5.
I second that. 5 degrees is a nice number. It seems to work reliably. Especially for 4th harmonic aspects. Not so sure about trine and sextile. IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy Knowflake Posts: 6687 From: Saturn (summer house on Chiron) Registered: Nov 2012
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posted May 19, 2014 07:31 AM
Ok, but what about the maximum orb you'd count as a conjunction? ------------------ I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 1673 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted May 19, 2014 07:39 AM
Well, Cappy, if you ask me, it depends a lot on the whole configuration. As Ceri says, if you have, for example, an MC 10 deg. from an ASC with a planet or a major asteroid in between, you consider the midpoint between the three and you can say you have an angle connection. Or you can have the angle midpoint involved with others planets in a major config, so it is quite flexible. Or you can have a DW somewhere involving angles. A connection between angles stands out in the chart, if it is there, I think it is seen.IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 1673 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted May 19, 2014 07:42 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen:
for example I just noticed something. It always puzzled me how I had the impression i felt this guys Mars trine my Venus so strongly, even though the orb was 5 degrees. Of course maybe I am really feeling something entirely different, but it just baffled me. Anyway this weekend I realized that he is 5 years younger than me, and the orb is 5 years. Why is that importantß Well, because I realized that this means his solar arc Mars and my solar arc Venus are moving in tandem. Of course the aspects between solar arc planets do not change, as they are moved with the same speed, however in the solar arc of two different people there can be different aspects compared to the natal, depending on their age difference. I just found that interesting. In the case of this guy and me his sa Mars is currently at 16 Libra, my sa Venus is currently at 16 Aquarius. And for me it is important as my sa Venus is applying to exact conjunction to my natal Moon on 17 Aquarius. It also made me think that possibly the synastric solar arc direction puts an emphasis on wider aspects for that reason.
I know that many astrologers say to never ever compare solar arcs between different people, but frankly I cannot see the reason why, and I find them to be very sensitive in synastry. But I suppose that is beside the point. lol
Cool stuff! Why shouldn't we compare solar arcs? IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 12590 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted May 19, 2014 07:52 AM
I think they say so because they are so totally dependent on each individual`s sunīs arc, and used as triggers of natal configurations. But frankly you would have to ask astrologers who say so, cause I certainly disagree with that. when I first fell into a very compulsive unexpected whirlwind crush, his sa Pluto was squaring my natal Venus, and his sa Uranus was squaring my natal Sun and Mercury. And boy I DID feel that! lol (of course it repeated already existing synastry aspects as his Plutow as trine my Venus and his Uranus was trine my Sun - it just increased the intensity a few notches)
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LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 1673 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted May 19, 2014 08:02 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: I think they say so because they are so totally dependent on each individual`s sunīs arc, and used as triggers of natal configurations. But frankly you would have to ask astrologers who say so, cause I certainly disagree with that. when I first fell into a very compulsive unexpected whirlwind crush, his sa Pluto was squaring my natal Venus, and his sa Uranus was squaring my natal Sun and Mercury. And boy I DID feel that! lol (of course it repeated already existing synastry aspects as his Plutow as trine my Venus and his Uranus was trine my Sun - it just increased the intensity a few notches)
I see, thanks I compare them too, especially when progressions create important connections, to see what happens with the outers. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 12590 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted May 19, 2014 08:18 AM
Yes, me, too. For example, in a year or so I am going to have my sa Neptune-NN-conjunction right on natal Antivertex and Sun/Moon-mp on 21 Cap. This sounds interesting, though probably a little difficult with "ego-wipe-out" Neptune being part of it, however I hope its affiliation with my nodal axis might smoothen things a bit, like giving it more of a purpose. However, if someone`s personal planet might fall there, too, this other person might be instrumental in activating/ triggering this experience in me. my sa Moon is just separating from an opposition to someone else`s natal Saturn, and yes, I felt strangely rejected, even though it is not even real from an objective point of view. I know that. Still didnīt help the feeling. But knowing myself, what really happened was that his Saturn in aspect to my sa Moon was dragging up internal issues inside of me. I have a natal Moon-Saturn-quinkunx, and through the mirrored solar arc aspect this one might have been brougth to the surface. Self-value concerns mostly. Also I have some nasty midpoints on this axis; mars/Saturn, Saturn/Neptune, Saturn/NN (I am still heading towards the Saturn/neptune and Saturn/NN one but thankfully my Saturn, neptune and NN are connected through quintile aspects, I am hoping this might open up an avenue to channel that more effectively than pure depression). At the same time interestingly however, my sa Moon currently is triggering his Sun, Moon and Sun/Moon-mp, and heading towards a conjunction with his natal Antivertex. In his own direction he has currently sa Uranus conjunct his Moon-MC-conjunction (just having left his Sun), so he might feel quite differently about it on the whole.
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LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 1673 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted May 19, 2014 09:33 AM
However, Cappy, now that I think about it, having the angles in the same sign but not conjunct seems more significant to me than having the angles in different signs, 7 to 10 deg. apart. Ceri, about your next year solar arc...maybe you'll meet Mr. Aqua (I keep pushing it, 'cause I'm pushy and 'cause I'm a fan of Mr. Aqua already lol) IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 12590 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted May 19, 2014 09:53 AM
well he better hurry, my pr Venus will not stay in Aquarius forever!IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 1673 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted May 19, 2014 10:03 AM
LOL he'll be there on time...Aquas tend to do that...out of nowhere IP: Logged | |