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afarin
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posted May 22, 2014 03:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for afarin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I already know this relationship is heavily karmic and has some kind of purpose. We met in the most random way, (actually exactly on the November 3, 2013 Solar Eclipse in Scorpio -- talk about obsessive) and we instantly bonded at first interaction. He has a natal moon conjunct pluto, and on the day we met, both transiting north node and transiting mercury conjuncted his moon/pluto exactly. Also, transiting uranus made an exact conjunction to his natal north node.

It was really scary and surprising how quickly we bonded. His north node is on my sun, my north node on his neptune (although that's more generational than the node/my sun aspect).

I think our Davidson chart is even more accurate, because it has Sun conjunct Moon, both also conjuncting pluto in Scorpio (in the middle of the sun/moon). Obviously, we've grown a lot from knowing each other. What's maddening is WE CAN'T LET GO.

There's problems around the relationship, and we try to be realistic and detach from one another only to have him or myself establish contact again shortly after. It's always up and down, and emotionally so addictive. Impossible to move on from. Like, you can know it's better to move on, but they are on your mind 24/7. You both know you will talk again regardless. Also, you know that no matter what, you will always have a deep love and protective feeling for the other person that will never leave. It's like you understand their soul.

How can we stop the obsessive attachment and emotional bond? It's deeper than I can accurately put into words.

Anyone have stories/experience/advice? I just feel like I can't breathe and although we love each other I wish we never met, because it's so good but so bad. Ugh.

Edit: Oh, his saturn is also conjunct my ascendant. So many karmic links to this. Psyche conjunct psyche. Blegh.

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sis
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posted May 22, 2014 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your story in some ways very smilar to mine. I cut ties a few weeks ago ( composite ascendant Scorpio, synastry very karmic ) But of course you'll never know... You seem to be openly talking about letting go and you both seem to agree so maybe you can decide to make a promise to each other not to call each other again ? Or are you sure it has to end ?

You know playing games is quite common in Scorpionic relationships. Maybe this push/pull thing is the way you're building up intimacy ?

Without seeing the sysnastry chart it is not possible to speak in astro language. All I can say try to hear what your gut instincts are saying about him ? Also ask yourself how much more time you can invest in this relationship. Time is precious and limited in our lives. Do you have enough time to live a relationship that you believe won't work ?

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I'm so cappy
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posted May 22, 2014 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I already know this relationship is heavily karmic and has some kind of purpose.

The purpose is to forget the karma BS and do your best to move on.

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I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy.

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amelia28
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posted May 22, 2014 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It sounds to me like neither of you actually want to move on...so why not value this bond you guys have and fight to make the relationship stronger by working on the challenges you guys have interacting with each other, change the negative patterns of interacting...

Perhaps you two can stay together but make the decision to see each other less frequently but not for the purpose of terminating the relationship but for the purpose of giving each other space to meditate and reflect on the patterns of interacting and how each of you can contribute to improving things and then each do your part...with time the work that you put in the relationship to make it work will have rewards..

In the end this is a very personal decision but that is my input.

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IndigoDirae
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posted May 22, 2014 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I second this.

What's the truly complicating factor?

Are you at a distance?
Involved with other people?
You don't want a relationship?

Ask yourself what this is trying to make you confront within yourself, and then begin healing. Because, no, they won't go until you do. But you also won't let them.

You mentioned the Davison. What of the composite? Same thing? SUN-PLUTO-MOON? That's quite powerful, that one. Soul-shattering.

Thing is, your soul needed shattering. You just don't realise it at the time.

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afarin
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posted May 22, 2014 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for afarin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Indigo -- The composite has Moon conjunct Pluto, both opposing sun and mars. So it has a similar theme.

Yes, we live away from each other. We met when he was traveling here, on his last day. We are both practical in understanding how hard it would be to actually try this long-term. Realistically it doesn't make sense and we both see the emotional attachment and jealous/possessive traits we bring out in each other, and that doesn't really bode well for sanity when two people aren't living in the same vicinity.

There's just so much underlying it. We can fight or feel angry but it's more just at the situation and how the attachment can only go so far. So then, we get in the cycle of "how long can we keep doing this?", and try breaking. That barely lasts. It's never over.

Sis -- I definitely see what you mean about the playing games. But the thing is, the moon/sun/pluto thing with us is because we really know everything about each other and don't feel we need to hide anything like we might with other people.

So it's really honest. I think where the game playing thing might come in is more just the amount of sexual/emotional attraction. You feel possessive or want them so every once in a while you push their buttons the way you know they like. So yeah, I agree with the intimacy angle you mentioned.

My gut instincts are he is a good person. I mean, regardless of the turmoil and even if we fight, I never truly hate him or feel like he did something bad. We have a deep understanding of why we behave in certain ways and there's always a protective/nurturing thing there beyond anything else.

Amelia -- Yeah, I was thinking if we could do the "talk to eachother less frequently" but still keep in touch... That just feels impossible, though... haha. That's kind of the whole problem we constantly deal with.

I'm so cappy -- I can agree that could be partly the lesson here, but I also know that since our meeting I have matured and understood myself SO much more. Whatever we have really has helped me in my own thought processing/self destructive habits I needed to recognize and break.

The distance is just brutal. Can you imagine the sun/pluto/moon thing in a couple that can't be together?? So much jealousy and obsession. It's just not conducive to that kind of intensity. But obviously it keeps on going.

I think we both recognize that this is so intense without even trying this long distance thing "officially." We both feel so attached and we just are both scared it's gonna end really badly and be devastating. So it feels safer to leave it open... Does that make any sense?

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posted May 22, 2014 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This shall pass, too.
We all have been there at one or another point of our lives. You will get over it eventually, because obviously the relationship is not healthy and it will deteriorate and disintegrate when enough is enough.
There is no cure for it at its present stage. You will have to go thru all steps until the end, and then when it's darkest, comes the light, the liberation. Sweet welcoming relief.
Hang in there, sister.

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amelia28
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posted May 22, 2014 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You got to fight for looooooooveeeeeeeee!

Come on! you guys are into each other.....

figure it out....work it out....dont end it but dont have something official yet either..

take your time and see each other but also give each other space to think and do things with other friends....perhaps that is the challenge you two must master, finding that balance of enjoying and savoring the bond without becoming obsessed and possessing each other..if you dont learn to find this balance and hold on tightly the universe will make sure you two break up.

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amelia28
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posted May 22, 2014 11:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Orange:
This shall pass, too.
We all have been there at one or another point of our lives. You will get over it eventually, because obviously the relationship is not healthy and it will deteriorate and disintegrate when enough is enough.
There is no cure for it at its present stage. You will have to go thru all steps until the end, and then when it's darkest, comes the light, the liberation. Sweet welcoming relief.
Hang in there, sister.

You do have a point too....there is something about pluto karma that the day you truly just let go of this person that produces this obsession and learn to love that person without the obsession and caring about the outcome of been together or not together, that is extremely liberating...

Its a very powerful experience and very liberating....Its the gift of not allowing others to have control over your well being.


I have been reflecting a lot lately about the role of uranus and pluto in the process of falling in love and in relationships...

and this is just something I am exploring but I think that maybe uranus hooks you in, makes you feel high, it draws you in..its instant attraction and high, its why you pick up on each other and then pluto comes in and sucks you in further by creating an unbreakable bond and if you are not familiar with this energy you can become obsessed and then uranus comes in and says wait you are getting too attached and too obsessed and bamb! "break up out of the blue," The person comes into your life rocks your world, completely transforms you and then its all gone like a hurricane that passed by and you don't know what hit you...

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posted May 23, 2014 12:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is what I am realizing:

Uranus - makes the two people stick out from the crowd and ensures the two people notice each other and get together like "who is that???!!!!!!!who are you? I am very intrigued, there is something about you"....


Neptune- is like "lets date and put our best selves forward" "lets put each other up in a pedestal and continue this high started by Uranus...


Pluto- is like "I am ready for sex and taking all this to a deeper level and possibly commit and develop an unbreakable bond that even if this does not work out you will always remember me" Pluto rules sex that bonds as oppose to Uranus that can be about one night stands.

Saturn then comes in last to test the whole thing and see if it stands or crumbles. Now both parties show their defects. The curtains are pulled down and the scenery is taken down.Saturn tests if the relationship can last and pass the test of time and together with pluto often gives that staying power in relationship to work things out.

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afarin
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posted May 24, 2014 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for afarin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I appreciate all the input! I'm trying to stay away for now. Trying to regain my independence. That's the hardest thing; I am a naturally very independent person and I feel like I lost that amongst all this. I need to learn to stand alone and I know we will talk again regardless.

Any more experience or input is always appreciated! I love hearing personal stories.

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posted May 24, 2014 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This part:


There's problems around the relationship, and we try to be realistic and detach from one another only to have him or myself establish contact again shortly after. It's always up and down, and emotionally so addictive. Impossible to move on from. Like, you can know it's better to move on, but they are on your mind 24/7. You both know you will talk again regardless. Also, you know that no matter what, you will always have a deep love and protective feeling for the other person that will never leave. It's like you understand their soul.

And when you said "It's never over."
I literally just wrote those words to someone else, only I said: Just like Jeff Buckley said, it's never over."

So I can relate to everything you've said. Today is the 7th year anniversary with the person who I have a moon/pluto conj with (among other things). When it comes time to break apart, we say horrible things to each other, I believe in an effort to ensure that we DO stay apart, only it never works. This last time was the longest, it was 8 months.
But what I've learned from it is that if I try to force myself to be over him and move on to someone else, eventually will come the time when I start judging the other person for Not Being Him. So it's best to just cultivate friendships, for me.
Cause it really just isn't ever over. At least not so far.

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afarin
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posted May 25, 2014 02:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for afarin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ugh, it's so true. It's so hard to try to meet other people because the bond isn't nearly as deep and potent. It's maddening!

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posted May 25, 2014 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moving to Horary And Event Astrology.

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