posted June 04, 2014 07:12 PM            

I had multiple hard aspects with both of them (Moon sq. Chiron, Sun sq. Ascendant, Moon sq. Mercury), so I guess that's why. Frankly, I'm still hold a lot of resent towards both of them [read: would push both of them off a cliff if I had the chance- hey, at least I'm being honest] , especially since I see them often.

But I just want to let it go. I'll admit that I'm still tempted at the prospect of revenge, but I feel like the desire for revenge is just holding me back. I just don't want to care about it and just move on to better things and people.

A good Virgo Moon friend of mine suggested reading into Buddhism, but most of the proverbs it states doesn't really resonate with me- I remain unmoved.

posted June 04, 2014 08:00 PM            

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Originally posted by socialgraffiti:
I'm still hold a lot of resent towards both of them [read: would push both of them off a cliff if I had the chance- hey, at least I'm being honest] , especially since I see them often.

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LOL.....(I am not laughing at you)...

I appreciate the honesty! Thanks for verbalizing what you feel instead of holding it in...

But violence or death is NEVER the answer, it really isn't so please redirect your anger and turn it into love...the answer is always unconditional love....

It wont happen by night so for now please redirect your mind and FOCUS, find a new hobby or spend more time in whatever hobbies you have now....focus on making new friends instead of spending your time thinking about your old friends and what you want to do TO them...

I am noticing a lot that lately youth wants to solve everything with murder or suicide....and I am just 30 but I do see a trend that I did not see while growing up; this is not the answer.

I am glad you seem to think letting go is the answer so there is spirituality in you that if you nourish it will grow with time...

When you find yourself thinking bad things, dont entertain the thoughts and indulge. Take the anger and do something positive with it. REDIRECT, TRANSFORM, TRANSCEND.

In time you will forgive, feed your mind with positive things, things that uplift you and make you smile, dont take the dark path that just leads to death and destruction....

I am glad you are expressing your anger here though....

posted June 04, 2014 08:52 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
I know what it feels like to have to give up on friendships you would rather keep but hate and vengeance just makes things worst always and creates more karma.....

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Exactly. I have sun, mercury, venus in the 8th house along with scorpio ascendant. The best advice I can give to you is to let it go and move on peaceably. It will suck and possibly hurt but the pain will go away.

Do not sting unless you know that person or party truly deserves it. Remember the boomerang effect and the scorpio according to Linda Goodman.

posted June 05, 2014 08:12 AM            

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Originally posted by socialgraffiti:
Long story short, I had a conflict with two of my closest friends, and it was blown way out of proportion, which eventually led to the demise of our friendship. I didn't understand their perspective (they are still friends), and they didn't understand my point of view either.

I had multiple hard aspects with both of them (Moon sq. Chiron, Sun sq. Ascendant, Moon sq. Mercury), so I guess that's why. Frankly, I'm still hold a lot of resent towards both of them [read: would push both of them off a cliff if I had the chance- hey, at least I'm being honest] , especially since I see them often.

But I just want to let it go. I'll admit that I'm still tempted at the prospect of revenge, but I feel like the desire for revenge is just holding me back. I just don't want to care about it and just move on to better things and people.

A good Virgo Moon friend of mine suggested reading into Buddhism, but most of the proverbs it states doesn't really resonate with me- I remain unmoved.

So as you might have guessed by the title, I'm a Scorpio w/ multiple planets in the sign & in the 8th house. Fellow Scorpios/Plutonians/8th Housers, can I get some insight?

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Ever tried moving to India whilst stationed in Brazil? Coz that's what you are asking and there is no navigation system that'll be able to get you there spontaneously.

You need to first accept and know where you are: A place of anger, frustration,wanting vengeance,hurt,bitterness and feeling betrayed.

Now to get to the place where you want to be; love, peace, letting go, moving on, forgiveness and "ease" etc. This will take a slow but sure "shift" of your current state of mind.

1. Try talking yourself into relief.
2. Reach for anything that gives you relief.
3. Find moments where relief is just outside your reach and is easily accessible.
4. Make "relief" part of your day.

By "relief" I mean the feeling of being in traffic for hours and then....suddenly the car in front of you starts to slowly move.

When you have been sick for days with a running nose and migraines, only to wake up the following day with the migraine "easing up" and the running nose being manageable.

When you have been at logger heads with someone over an amount owed and not being paid.Only to find that the person shows up at your door to give you the partial amount owed.

That's relief: Its a feeling of bearing a smaller weight to the one you've been carrying and the "knowing" that things are changing.

Reach for that feeling and peace will follow

Who knows? You may find yourself in India.

posted June 06, 2014 11:41 AM            

I saw a science TV-show at which they presented some science reports about what Mindfulness does with the human brain, they scanned brains of people before and after meditating for a while. You should google it.
Anyway i have been meditating for 10 minutes in morning now for 5 days a week, give or take 1 day, for about 2 months and i think it has helped me alot.

Tho even if i feel that i have Pluto under control, owning him, i think he will never go away.
Even if i "forgive" people, meaning hanging out with them and laughing together, i think the feeling of wanting to push them over the ledge will never truly vanish. Tho i, in my heart, believe that meditation is the path to controlling / owning Pluto.

So if you do not find Buddhism to be the right path. Try to follow the science-path.

BTW
Before i started to meditate i think i could remember like 2 dreams per year. Now i dream and remember them almost every night lol

posted June 07, 2014 06:56 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
LOL.....(I am not laughing at you)...

I appreciate the honesty! Thanks for verbalizing what you feel instead of holding it in...

But violence or death is NEVER the answer, it really isn't so please redirect your anger and turn it into love...the answer is always unconditional love....

It wont happen by night so for now please redirect your mind and FOCUS, find a new hobby or spend more time in whatever hobbies you have now....focus on making new friends instead of spending your time thinking about your old friends and what you want to do TO them...

I am noticing a lot that lately youth wants to solve everything with murder or suicide....and I am just 30 but I do see a trend that I did not see while growing up; this is not the answer.

I am glad you seem to think letting go is the answer so there is spirituality in you that if you nourish it will grow with time...

When you find yourself thinking bad things, dont entertain the thoughts and indulge. Take the anger and do something positive with it. REDIRECT, TRANSFORM, TRANSCEND.

In time you will forgive, feed your mind with positive things, things that uplift you and make you smile, dont take the dark path that just leads to death and destruction....

I am glad you are expressing your anger here though....

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Have you tried mending things, talking things out?

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Originally posted by Rick_Grayson:
Exactly. I have sun, mercury, venus in the 8th house along with scorpio ascendant. The best advice I can give to you is to let it go and move on peaceably. It will suck and possibly hurt but the pain will go away.

Do not sting unless you know that person or party truly deserves it. Remember the boomerang effect and the scorpio according to Linda Goodman.

A scorpio lets go by getting even or precise amputation.

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Your case sounds quite bad. When something gets to that point, what I usually do is completely cut them out of my life, there is no looking back after that.

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I like your POV
Haha, but yeah those squares are a pain in my...

posted June 07, 2014 07:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Lunae:
I would usually try to mend things but when that doesn't work, I guess it would be best to just sever the ties. If the relationship is not healthy for you anymore, you've just got to let it go. Give yourself time to heal from the wounds. Just as a good friend said, surround yourself with other people whom you trust and love. It hurts, sure, but I'm positive that there are better things out there for you.

I'm a Scorpio sun but I guess this is a general advice that could apply to everyone.

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Thank you. This was sweet

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Ever tried moving to India whilst stationed in Brazil? Coz that's what you are asking and there is no navigation system that'll be able to get you there spontaneously.

You need to first accept and know where you are: A place of anger, frustration,wanting vengeance,hurt,bitterness and feeling betrayed.

Now to get to the place where you want to be; love, peace, letting go, moving on, forgiveness and "ease" etc. This will take a slow but sure "shift" of your current state of mind.

1. Try talking yourself into relief.
2. Reach for anything that gives you relief.
3. Find moments where relief is just outside your reach and is easily accessible.
4. Make "relief" part of your day.

By "relief" I mean the feeling of being in traffic for hours and then....suddenly the car in front of you starts to slowly move.

When you have been sick for days with a running nose and migraines, only to wake up the following day with the migraine "easing up" and the running nose being manageable.

When you have been at logger heads with someone over an amount owed and not being paid.Only to find that the person shows up at your door to give you the partial amount owed.

That's relief: Its a feeling of bearing a smaller weight to the one you've been carrying and the "knowing" that things are changing.

Reach for that feeling and peace will follow

Who knows? You may find yourself in India.

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Originally posted by moonram:
When I'm really angry, I allow myself some time each day to fantasize hurting that person. Then I run a few miles as fast as I can. Then I usually laugh heartily at my insanity. I repeat this for about a week, and the anger tends to dissipate on its own.

Books about codependency help me, too, as much as that may seem unrelated to this subject.

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The codependency thing makes sense to me- like, feeling strongly for anyone implies a degree of codependency.

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Not because I wan't to be an idiot, but since you haven't posted what your conflict is about, I'm thinking that you might be wrong and they were right? Maybe you should just stop holding a grudge and forgive them?
I have a scorpio friend myself, she is my closest friend, but she often has the tendency to be wrong in discussions, and then she gets angry with people when they don't understand her point of view…But she is good at moving on and let things go and I think she has got to a point where she knows it's not worth it holding a grudge, and that you don't have to be right every time… you could make many more friends if you didn't feel the need to be right every time

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Um :/ Kind of feel like you're making some not-so-fabulous assumptions on my character, haha. The reason why I didn't go into the details of my conflict is since I'd prefer to keep it private, and not so open on the internet. Idk if there is some kind of PM-ing system on here, but if there is, I'd be fine telling you through that.
I don't really think either of us are completely "right" or "wrong". This is/was a decade-long friendship though of a really tight-knit group- so yeah, I'm pretty upset that it ended. And I didn't just choose to end it because of some desire to be right 'all the time.' I value friendships more than that.

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Originally posted by ScandinavianCrab:
I've got Pluto all over my personal planets ,trines and squares, with exception of my "retarded" virgo/libra mars in 12th house. Add a Pluto conjunction to ascendant with that.

I saw a science TV-show at which they presented some science reports about what Mindfulness does with the human brain, they scanned brains of people before and after meditating for a while. You should google it.
Anyway i have been meditating for 10 minutes in morning now for 5 days a week, give or take 1 day, for about 2 months and i think it has helped me alot.

Tho even if i feel that i have Pluto under control, owning him, i think he will never go away.
Even if i "forgive" people, meaning hanging out with them and laughing together, i think the feeling of wanting to push them over the ledge will never truly vanish. Tho i, in my heart, believe that meditation is the path to controlling / owning Pluto.

So if you do not find Buddhism to be the right path. Try to follow the science-path.

BTW
Before i started to meditate i think i could remember like 2 dreams per year. Now i dream and remember them almost every night lol

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posted June 08, 2014 05:27 PM            

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Originally posted by usc277:
Dude!! Your a Scorpio..your notorious for letting go..wish I could learn how they do it...its as easy as "Ctrl,alt,Del"

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Scorpios notorious for letting go... Um, no, unless there's some Aries/Gemini stuff going on. Maybe even Sag. But pure Scorpio energy is notorious for taking ages to let go/move on.

I think what most Scorpios do is amputate, maybe not immediately, but at some point when you keep mindfu**ing yourself with obsessive thoughts, it gets to a point where you're like, 'Screw that sh*t, I'm DONE!' and we just POOF, cut it out. It can take some time before we get to that point however. But once it's done, it's done.

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I set a timeframe for you to get your **** together. If said **** is not together, Process Kill. No need to reboot.

posted June 08, 2014 07:56 PM            

I know people say you should forgive and move on but I do not think it is easy for Scorpio. Infact more people say move on - more we want to think about it.

I feel sometimes I have anger because

1) I do not know what exactly I am feeling or verbalize to the offending party
2)Even if I do there are no changes and I am lost or confused on how to proceed with relationship. If you want to win the situation it isn't going to happen.
3) I just feel alone on feeling those feelings by not telling people
4) There is lots of guilt and anger on myself too for not being able to maintain good relationship. Realizing only 25% is going to like me helps and there are strong chances others wouldn't helps at times.
5) I have been violated and I am trying to protect myself from any further hurt. People tend to oscillate between anger and guilt.

I know people want us to forgive without processing trauma they have caused. It is only because they are sometimes ashamed of what they have done. They would rather not feel the same pain again and again or reminded how awful they have been. Even if they apologize somehow it doesn't feel better. The reason you are still questioning it and thinking about it is that it has significantly impact your life :

1) WRITE IT : Write it down in your journal exactly what happened. It is your Point of view and you are entitled to it. Cry,scream,understand, blame the person and get angry on everything happened.

2) FEEL IT: You need to sit with the exact feelings you are feeling and why, if that means realizing your own limitation.In Scorpio bravado we do not see our own limitation as a human being. Feel vulnerable.

3)SHARE & VALIDATE YOUR ANGER : See the situation from various angles, yours, theirs and share it with stranger or somebody who can relate to it. Sometime you might feel incident too much as you are hurt it is actually very normal problem with your age group. I think sometimes not sharing and not getting empathy from others is a problem.
At the end of it you want to be understood and validated that having anger is right thing.

4) COMFORT YOURSELF & VOW TO FIND SOLUTION: Most of the time you aren't angry at them but you letting other people walk all over you and you want to be comforted. Forgive part of yourself who was unable to protect you from bad experience or when you felt powerless and love yourself who is in pain. Remind yourself that it is gone/done or finished. See if because of that experience anything good has happened in your life or you can vow to find better solution.

Like : I had to leave my studies half way but then I managed to complete it later in my life and have got insatiable thirst for knowledge.

Like : Some people are more compassionate to children's who are abused as child. Do you see any initiatives you would like to take in the future?

5) FIND YOUR CREATIVITY: Be compassionate towards yourself.In the meantime, keep your relationship with your offending party minimum or cordial. There is no point going back to them and punishing them. It is time to take power back from them to you. Not feeling any more Victim but Creator. You would be surprised they are feeling victimized too and threatened by you.

6) LISTEN TO THEIR SIDE OF STORY : Only listen to them now as you are ready to listen. You aren't listening as a victim but as a creator. Be Devil's advocate, try to listen to their point of view (they are entitled to have their point of view too). Every side has 2 side of story. Understand maybe problems caused between you might not be just problems faced by you both but due to differences like different gender, global phenomenon, historical reasons, family issues, etc. Walk in their shoes. You might find love instead of fear.

7) MOVE ON: You want to take revenge is because some part of you believes that they need to be punished. Do you still think if they are being affected by larger trends then you should hold it against them and take revenge or punish them. If yes, believe god would fight your battle for you and move on. If no, move on. Remember your relationship isn't going to go straight away to the way it was and offending party would try to do that.
You might even feel you aren't being honest to your self because you are being nice to them on face but inside you are hurting.
Give person a second chance and try to see positive this time around and sometimes you would be surprised they would come around too. Place appropriate boundaries so that they do not repeat what made you angry first time. Realize limitation of relationship and work with it.Sometimes people do not know what to do so they are just being stupid or confused. They are not necessarily scheming to hurt you. Have a clear vision on what you want this new relationship to look like including what works and doesn't work and what would you do if they kept on doing what they are doing? Realize that it might take time for you to trust them again and they would be impatient as they think apologizing was enough. We know it isn't enough. See humour in the situation if possible.

I guess if you knew where they were coming from it might be bit easier to ignore them / forgive them as well.

Pick your battles wisely.

posted June 08, 2014 08:15 PM            

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Originally posted by socialgraffiti:
Heheh. Thank you :P Glad to meet someone who appreciates my honesty, though most of the time it just gets me into trouble. I'm never been prone to physical violence and also cringe whenever it comes up on screen or in real life, but yes, it's not the way to go. I've been trying to move on, but I see them pretty much everyday multiple times and I have to work with them (as you might have guessed, pretty awkward), so moving on to other people is a bit hard to do. But my schedule will be changing soon, so I'll keep what you said in mind!- I'm an artist, so I just draw my feelings out, lol.

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You sound similar to me. Pluto rules my 12th and I have saturn in scorpio and singleton pluto in libra conjunct saturn in the 11th...

My husband has mars in scorpio and we bought a property that was great but with horrible neighbors, truly sucky neighbours...never knew it was possible to have neighbours that sucked to the extent they did, all of them.

So we would have discussions about all the horrible things we wanted to do to them or happen to them but they were brief discussions for the purpose of venting and then we would move on and focus on other things we had to do or watch a comedy etc.....

Expressing your anger is good..plotting for hours and days and obsessing on hurting yourself or others not good....

I think the key is feeling the anger, the pain and the hurt, then expressing it, do vent and talk about it but then let it go as well....But is totally understandable to "feel" like you want to throw someone off a cliff or what not but don't obsess too much over it, set limits, recognize the feeling is there and that is ok to feel this and then let it go.

Really sucks you have to see them daily, I hope things work out. The thing about been part of a team is that you have to work and learn to love people who are different from you and who perhaps oppose you on an ideological level, hopefully you all can put your differences aside and decide to get along for the sake of having a nice work environment which you and everyone else deserves since we all spend so much of our time at work.

Truly hope things work out for all of you. Kill them with kindness is the best you can do at work.

posted June 08, 2014 08:22 PM            

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Originally posted by usc277:
Dude!! Your a Scorpio..your notorious for letting go..wish I could learn how they do it...its as easy as "Ctrl,alt,Del"

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LOL LOL

posted June 09, 2014 02:24 AM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
LOL LOL

Yeah Suns in Scorpios do seem to be this way, I would love to hear from them...is it a façade, do they very deed down not let go and just make sure it looks that way to everyone bc their pride comes first and utmost??

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Sad..they care about what people think of them..they don't care about how THEY feel..