posted June 07, 2014 05:14 PM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Omg I'm so sorry for your loss I lost my own brother to suicide last december… it's an awful thing to go through

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I am so sorry you lost your brother like this. This is the kind of grief that never really leaves you and some days are really rough. Please be gentle with yourself.

posted June 07, 2014 08:23 PM            

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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
That has nothing to do with you and it's completely ridiculous to think so .

At most it's synastry that draws or makes you drawn to people that have suicidal tendencies.

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Suicide has been a fairly constant theme in my life since childhood. I am not prone to magical thinking nor am I that much of a narcissist to think I had any sort of influence over friends & family who purposefully engineered their own deaths. Also, I feel no guilt. The "coulda, woulda, shoulda's" are a typical of first timers. My purpose nowadays is to zero in on the the living friends & family of the suicide who might be vulnerable to the suicidal/self destructive domino effect. I help others cope with the aftermath. All I was asking in my OP is what natal aspects would show this theme. What I received from you was a terse and mildly condescending post which is unappreciated. Regardless, I do appreciate you taking the time to post even if it was misguided.

posted June 07, 2014 09:12 PM            

Do you by any chance have natal jupiter in the 8th with pluto transiting your 8th??

Wild guess here....

Post your natal with transits.

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posted June 07, 2014 09:55 PM            

However - since this has affected you a lot ever since you were young and it's a pattern that keeps repeating itself... there may be life lessons or karmic lessons - here for you. I would look at the Nodes for this, and maybe Saturn.
Can you post your Nodes/aspects to the Nodes and your Saturn - sign/house etc...?

posted June 09, 2014 05:18 PM            

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Originally posted by fireopal09:
The Suicide has been a fairly constant theme in my life since childhood. I am not prone to magical thinking nor am I that much of a narcissist to think I had any sort of influence over friends & family who purposefully engineered their own deaths. Also, I feel no guilt. The "coulda, woulda, shoulda's" are a typical of first timers. My purpose nowadays is to zero in on the the living friends & family of the suicide who might be vulnerable to the suicidal/self destructive domino effect. I help others cope with the aftermath. All I was asking in my OP is what natal aspects would show this theme. What I received from you was a terse and mildly condescending post which is unappreciated. Regardless, I do appreciate you taking the time to post even if it was misguided.

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Sorry. I was trying to say I just can't see this being a natal thing for you. People are their own vessels within ire own choices and energy and auras. You should be looking into the natals of your loved ones to see if there's a pattern. Then look at your own chart to see what patterns in their natal charts resonate with yours.

posted June 10, 2014 09:47 PM            

I have 2 death patterns ,which sounds so weird and morbid, not connected to suicide. One is personified by Moon square Pluto, where Moon is the NN ruler, and it's conj Venus which rules my 4th. So there's thaaat. I've dealt with that one since literally my first breath, that's how strong that pattern is. And yes this one is tied to my family.
The other one is personified by Uranus which rules my 8th which is square Sun, asc ruler, in the 8th. I would say I started to become aware of this one when transit Uranus was conjunct my Sun in the 8th, back in...2004. So I've been dealing with this one off and on since then. This one is tied not to my family, but to my mortality.

So I have no problem seeing the suicide of others as a pattern in a natal chart. But to find it could be tricky..but the common culprits obviously 8th Scorp Pluto,.