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Ibringyouasong
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posted June 08, 2014 11:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ibringyouasong     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello all! Thanks for reading this post! As someone who has Sun quincunx Saturn in their natal chart and is experiencing a transiting Saturn quincunx Moon, I keep hearing about the negative effects of Saturn and it's impact upon other planets. I'm not saying life is all roses or should even be so, but is there hope?
I also have these aspects with my natal Saturn (8th house - Capricorn):

Saturn Sesquiquadrate Mercury
Saturn Conjunct Uranus
Saturn Sextile Pluto
Saturn Semi Square NN
Saturn Opposite Chiron
Saturn Square Lilith
Saturn Conjunct Vesta
Saturn Sesquiquadrate Ascendant

As you can see, I have a lot of Saturn connections. lol. I have had a rollercoaster of a life so far - and even at twenty-five, I've gone through very hard things in my short time. I'm just wondering if while I'm cleaning my slate here - in the karmic sense - if I am going to be successful with my endeavors towards a rich, happy, and inner-peaceful life...or am I just fooling myself?

If you have any questions, suggestions, or overall comments, I'd be happy to hear them and answer in return! Thank you!

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moonofneptune
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posted June 09, 2014 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonofneptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn isn't necessarily something to be afraid of. Saturn can be very cold, disapproving, and adult. However, Saturn does bring positive qualities, such as maturity and wisdom.

Usually, whenever a planet comes into contact with Saturn, that planet's effects will come into play later in life. For example, Venus Conjunct Saturn usually indicates love later in life, or someone who was dull as a teenager but blossomed into a beautiful adult.

These Saturn aspects you posted aren't particularly strong, either. Sesquiquadrates and semi squares aren't usually something to worry about unless you're REALLY looking for answers. Additionally, I've known many astrologers that do not see Chiron and Vesta as particularly important, so I wouldn't fret.

Saturn Conjunct Uranus is a generational aspect. Because Saturn and Uranus both move very slowly, they will be in conjunction for some time, and a lot of people your age will have this same aspect. Not to worry. Same goes with Saturn Sextile Pluto.

Saturn clearly has some influence in your chart, but not necessarily the amount that would make or break your life. If you choose to investigate more, look at the orbs. The smaller the orb, the more influential that aspect will be. Additionally, look at what Capricorn is doing in your chart and what planets fall into Capricorn. This should give you an idea of Saturn's true influence.

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Ibringyouasong
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posted July 19, 2014 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ibringyouasong     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know you said Saturn isn't something necessarily to be afraid of, despite it's more...austere and harder characteristics. But to me, I keep fearing it. I think it's do with the house it's in - the 8th house, for me natal-wise. The 8th House has such a bad rep and I know it's supposed to be the house of transformation, so it's not supposed to be all bad. But for me, change has brought nothing but bad circumstances into my life (although that could be because of the Uranus in my 8th House also...along with the Neptune which forms a triple conjunction). I mean, it's true for me about the issues concerning my father: he was abusive, really distant in terms of "raising me." We weren't close and he ended up dying at a young age after moving to Florida and living there for six months. I had cut him out of my life because he was a toxic parent and I honestly did want to rebuild a relationship with him, but now I'll never get to have that chance.

Do I have issues with the notion of an intimate relationship? When I was younger, no. But now that I'm older, hell yes. I'm not comfortable with making myself vulnerable in front of others or "sharing myself" with another person. I had a boyfriend seven years ago that, instead of breaking up with me in a mature sense, said he wanted to be friends, dumped me, didn't speak to me, and then two weeks later, started dating my ex-best friend (Scorpio). Now they're engaged. Since that failed catastrophe seven years ago, I've been single. I haven't loved every second of it (because let's face it, who wants to be alone for the rest of their lives?), but I've become comfortable with myself and like doing things without having to explain myself or taking someone else's feelings into consideration. I could never stand to be with someone who tried to manipulate me or make me feel guilty into still having my own individual interests or pursuing them (But I think that's my Uranus talking; especially since it opposes my Venus).

Do I have fears of sex? Yes, and no. I'm embarrassed of my body. I'm scared to confront someone in the bedroom with my definitive lack of experience. Then again, I've never been with someone who's driven me so crazy with passion and lust, that it wouldn't matter. ('cause that's what I'm hoping for. lol *blush*). I've also never met someone who's been attracted to me like that and that's also what I want in an encounter or relationship with someone. (is that unrealistic?)

I do have issues with money. I have a thirty-thousand dollar student loan that I'm trying to pay off, which is very hard to do when you're selling shoes for $8 an hour. My father died, as stated earlier, and left half of his estate to me (the other half goes to my older brother). Right now, it's in court - because my father left no will behind when he died - and will remain so until no one else comes forward with a claim. I could inherit a hefty amount that would help with putting a large dent into my student loan, but I don't know how long it'll take to get everything straightened. I mean, he died in December (two days before the new year) and stuff still isn't straightened out.

I feel like I'm constantly living in fear and I'm so scared of change - as said before, I feel like it'll only lead to things getting worse. I've also read that Saturn in the 8th House can mean that someone will live a life of extreme poverty. THAT completely terrifies me because my family was always on the edge of poverty. We were middle-class, but then my dad lost his job due to 9/11 influences and my mom's been out of a job for 15 years. It's always been the situation of me having so much time before everything is ripped away - home, security, stability. I mean, I know in a spiritual sense that we all have to form detachments to those things because "you can't take it with you." But, you know, it kind of doesn't help to be that way when you're still living in the PHYSICAL plane.

I mean, am I crazy or what? Sorry about all of this. I think I kind of go through this from time to time because I worry that my dreams of being a worldly author who can live a life without worrying about needing money makes me worry that it won't come true...not that astrology is always right...or shouldn't be interpreted in a different light (even something as more positive).

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mamawolf
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posted July 19, 2014 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mamawolf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^WOW, aside from the father's death (which I fear sometimes), I can completely relate with the above. I too have Saturn in Capricorn 8H

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Ibringyouasong
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posted July 19, 2014 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ibringyouasong     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, well I guess I'm glad that I'm not alone in that regard. They say our generation is the one most-inclined to being depressed. I wonder if that also is because of these three planets in the 8th House...or perhaps because of Pluto in Scorpio. What do you think? Do you think there's hope for us to live peaceful lives or are we just doomed to never know ourselves?

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posted July 20, 2014 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ibringyouasong:
As you can see, I have a lot of Saturn connections. lol. I have had a rollercoaster of a life so far - and even at twenty-five, I've gone through very hard things in my short time. I'm just wondering if while I'm cleaning my slate here - in the karmic sense - if I am going to be successful with my endeavors towards a rich, happy, and inner-peaceful life...or am I just fooling myself?

If you have any questions, suggestions, or overall comments, I'd be happy to hear them and answer in return! Thank you!



As someone who has Saturn as their chart ruler, I can tell you this: you will continue to go through a lot of hell throughout your 20s. You've already suffered quite a bit at your young age, but the intensity of the crap you face will gradually diminish during your 20s. Saturn causes delays, setbacks and disappointment.

I'm 29 now, and what I've noticed is that pretty much everything I've wanted during my 20s has been beyond my reach no matter how hard I work. Things are starting to change now, however. I'm going through my Saturn Return and so far (::knock on wood: things are going well with my career. I'm still working very hard, but now I'm also being rewarded for my hard work.

The trick is enduring all of the crap and somehow finding out what you are meant to do with your life. Once you figure out the correct path, you will still have to work hard, but you will actually enjoy the fruits of your labor. You will no longer feel like you are beating your head against a brick wall. Progress will actually occur instead of elude you.

Good luck to you. I know how much Saturn can suck. Things will get better. Just make sure you continue to work hard and find out what you are meant to do with your life. I heard life become significantly better for Saturn-dominant people after the age of 30. I hope it's true!

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