posted June 16, 2014 11:22 PM            

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOwblaKmyVw

I thought she was a genius way ahead of her time.

Now I listen to her music and I can see she is slowly becoming more and more brain dead because of all the drugs she is doing - she self admits that she does drugs.

So it's really interesting to me because she has a lot of aspects to outer planets...It seems that when a person does drugs and they have outer aspects their music becomes disturbed and avant garde but in a strange distasteful way.

Again, I am speaking from the perspective that their are certain classics in the song-writting world and that her new music compared to those timeless pieces which artists continually peform will be forgotten in teh sands of time...

It reminds me of madonna. When madonna was fresh-minded and the drugs didn't fully destroy her memory she had these amazing prollific songs.

But now very few young people really remember her. She is like a fragment. Instead of becomming timeless like a true legend her drug use lead to her becoming nothing more than a fading rag.

Anyways...I'm just saying that drugs seem to turn legendary people into shameful wastes and this is amplified by outer planet aspects. This is a travesty to me because we crave to hear these planetary waves in their music.

posted June 17, 2014 12:18 AM            

It's pretty much an act. She probably smokes a little pot from time to time but she's no LiLo.

She keeps contradicting herself on her supposed drug use but one thing that sticks with me is the footage of her with that bong smoking salvia. Excuse me, PRETENDING to smoke that bong. There was a lot of smoke still in it (any TRUE stoner would've snatched that out of her hand and sucked it up but those were just kids pretending to be more daring or shocking than they were, though maybe they did suck it up in "take 1" of their act and found themselves coughing too much...), and having personal experience with salvia as well as real hallucinogens I'm convinced she was play acting (and not very well which tells me she had almost zero experience with drugs by then, at least hallucinogens).

And she's always been an attention seeker (goes with being an entertainer) and she's loved to rile people up since she was a kid. I think it's her Sag influence on that, she's something of a troll, but more out of silliness than malice. She's also carried out some pranks.

On top of that she loves to copy former artists, whether it's to do a cover of their songs (complete with dressing the part which I tend to find hilarious, but she's definitely an entertainer) to imitating their "shocking ways" (like the VMA which has always been scandalous, Miley basically copied Madonna, the only real scandal was that parents were dumb enough to let their kids watch it with them and being surprised by the VMA doing what it always does).

But more than that, she's smart. People can't stop talking about it which gives her free publicity she doesn't have to pay for (she explained, quite articulate, how what she did at the VMA was to get people to talking about Bangerz which then went and sold a lot just as she'd been hoping), and it also makes her more appealing to those who want to feel like a rebel without actually doing anything dangerous over it. And as explained here:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/28/opinion/ferguson-miley-cyrus-outrage/index.html

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All of this outrage appears calculated to me, however (it doesn't help that Cyrus' father sits on the board of advisers for the Parents Television Council). The performers who do outrageous stuff do so on purpose because scandal sells. And "watchdog" groups themselves often thrive off outrage.

Such groups would wither financially if it were not for the public's outrage and fear of media. The council's website contains handy instructions on how not just to donate money but to include the group in your estate, give stocks, an automobile, etc. Fairly common for advocacy groups to be sure, but it still gives them skin in the game. Members of these groups may act in good faith, but let's not mistake them for objective, financially uninterested parties.

The irony is that likely all the furor has probably only encouraged teens to see what all the fuss is about on YouTube.

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posted June 17, 2014 02:48 PM            

That her father and her are conjuring an image to make sales that is totally fake albeit it is a reckless and very evil thing to do for thousands of young people will now be doing drugs because of it's impressionable nature.

If this is true...I cannot judge personally but I will still pray for their souls and beg the maker to have compassion on them for what awaits in the next life.

posted June 17, 2014 02:57 PM            

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Originally posted by AlexDern:

It reminds me of madonna. When madonna was fresh-minded and the drugs didn't fully destroy her memory she had these amazing prollific songs.

But now very few young people really remember her. She is like a fragment. Instead of becomming timeless like a true legend her drug use lead to her becoming nothing more than a fading rag.

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Uhhh, Madonna NEVER did drugs. Not habitually, at least.

There have been a couple interviews in the past where she confesses to experimenting, back in her twenties, but even that phase was very short-lived. Madonna's always been too in charge of herself to get into all of that (blame all the Virgo placements).

If very young people don't know who she is nowadays, it's only because she's in her mid-fifties and they're just not paying attention to artists who are the same age/older than their parents.

By the way, I'm 24 and most people my age at least know a handful of Madonna songs. The "young people" you're talking about are probably middle or high schoolers. It's actually sort of weird that some kids don't know who Madonna is, to me. That's like not knowing who Elvis or Michael Jackson is.

posted June 17, 2014 04:51 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
Uhhh, Madonna NEVER did drugs. Not habitually, at least.

There have been a couple interviews in the past where she confesses to experimenting, back in her twenties, but even that phase was very short-lived. Madonna's always been too in charge of herself to get into all of that (blame all the Virgo placements).

If very young people don't know who she is nowadays, it's only because she's in her mid-fifties and they're just not paying attention to artists who are the same age/older than their parents.

By the way, I'm 24 and most people my age at least know a handful of Madonna songs. The "young people" you're talking about are probably middle or high schoolers. It's actually sort of weird that some kids don't know who Madonna is, to me. That's like not knowing who Elvis or Michael Jackson is.

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I mean I know like people know here but her music is overlooked I feel compared to elvis and michael.

I think Elvis was more iconic hence graceland and being the king of the industry for nearly 4 decades, and I think Jackson was a huge archtypal icon for shattering racial barriers and somewhat beatle-esque..

I feel, based on exposure, madonna is somewhat fading because a) her name is somewhat generic and b) she was more vogue and didn't have as much soul...she kind of reminds me more of sting...if I had to nail it to a male counterpart. Kind of gimike.

posted June 17, 2014 05:46 PM            

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Originally posted by AlexDern:
This is a very interesting idea actually...

That her father and her are conjuring an image to make sales that is totally fake albeit it is a reckless and very evil thing to do for thousands of young people will now be doing drugs because of it's impressionable nature.

If this is true...I cannot judge personally but I will still pray for their souls and beg the maker to have compassion on them for what awaits in the next life.

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posted June 17, 2014 11:34 PM            

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Originally posted by AlexDern:
This is a very interesting idea actually...

That her father and her are conjuring an image to make sales that is totally fake albeit it is a reckless and very evil thing to do for thousands of young people will now be doing drugs because of it's impressionable nature.

If this is true...I cannot judge personally but I will still pray for their souls and beg the maker to have compassion on them for what awaits in the next life.

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Pray the same thing for the parents and other guardians of the kids while you're at it because they have far more to do with how a kid turns out that any singer. I think they know it because it's usually the parents who use the media as a babysitter to escape their own moral responsibilities and obligations that cry the loudest against what's on the media, and very likely to feel better about their own lack of moral guidance.

If parents and other authority figures are worthy of respect, which they are by living up to their own standards rather than insisting kids do as they say rather than as they do as well as being involved and just/fair, then those impressionable kids will be impressed by them before anybody else. This PDF sums it up well:
http://www.easternflorida.edu/co mmunity-resources/child-development-centers/parent-resource-library/documents/parents-powerful-role-models.pdf

Parents and others who don't live up to the standards they insist others do will leave a much more negative impression than a singer ever could and those parents who abdicate their responsibility for the media ("just watch TV/play games/listen to music and leave me alone, I'm tired and got enough stress") then yeah, it's possible that the media will impress upon them in the wrong way...but I think it even more likely that such kids will find such a singer in the first place rather than stumble across them, and our capitalist system is engineered to provide what people want (which is generally disposable junk that's addictive yet empty so they can sell it again along with many other products) and those are rules many people glorify and/or live by, including the Cyruses.

posted June 18, 2014 12:45 PM            

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Originally posted by AlexDern:
I mean I know like people know here but her music is overlooked I feel compared to elvis and michael.

I think Elvis was more iconic hence graceland and being the king of the industry for nearly 4 decades, and I think Jackson was a huge archtypal icon for shattering racial barriers and somewhat beatle-esque..

I feel, based on exposure, madonna is somewhat fading because a) her name is somewhat generic and b) she was more vogue and didn't have as much soul...she kind of reminds me more of sting...if I had to nail it to a male counterpart. Kind of gimike.

She kind of became a generic entity with her name being Madonaa...where as elvis presley and michael jackson created new undifined archtypes, madonna just became a pun on a concept that's been around since the rennaissance.

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I get what you're saying but I think you can feel her huge impact on pop culture in the sense of controversy selling. Any time any upcoming female singer does something outrageous (and is assumed to be doing it to get attention or make people talk), she's instantly compared to Madonna. Even in cases when it's very unwarranted, like Miley or Britney. Gaga has been the only one who's followed her who I believe is truly worthy of that comparison.

And she's always been artistically underrated, in my opinion. Her stuff now is blah. But, her work in the 80's and 90's had more substance than many people were willing to credit her for.

posted June 18, 2014 03:40 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
I get what you're saying but I think you can feel her huge impact on pop culture in the sense of controversy selling. Any time any upcoming female singer does something outrageous (and is assumed to be doing it to get attention or make people talk), she's instantly compared to Madonna. Even in cases when it's very unwarranted, like Miley or Britney. Gaga has been the only one who's followed her who I believe is truly worthy of that comparison.

And she's always been artistically underrated, in my opinion. Her stuff now is blah. But, her work in the 80's and 90's had more substance than many people were willing to credit her for.

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I think when an artist abandons subtlety they become marketing tools instead of actual art.

As for lady gaga...I grew up listening to Ace of Base adn I'm versed in music, 100 percent in music appreciation, and GAGA literally copied all their melodies and rifts...

I do think some of her songs showed sparkles of greatness, but overall, she's another one who is a little over the top.

posted June 18, 2014 06:33 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
Any time any upcoming female singer does something outrageous (and is assumed to be doing it to get attention or make people talk), she's instantly compared to Madonna. Even in cases when it's very unwarranted, like Miley or Britney

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I think it is warranted, and she says so herself:
http://www.mtv.com/news/1721496/miley-cyrus-madonna-alike-unplugged/

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“I don’t pay attention to the negative because I’ve seen this play out so many times,” Miley told MTV News. “How many times have we seen this play out in pop music? … Madonna’s done it. Britney’s done it. Every VMA performance, that’s what you’re looking for; you’re wanting to make history.”

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Not to be confused with saying she's "stealing from Madonna." But she's certainly learned from Madonna. (Btw, can't forget where Britney and Madonna used each other in that so-called kiss of theirs, though they also did a music video together, Me Against the Music, and didn't Britney do her own Like A Virgin song & dance at a VMA?)

And can't help but recall the Hannah Montana ep Yet Another Side of Me where she tries to reinvent her image after meeting Isis (who is Madonna) and it turning out horribly wrong as she becomes the "anti-Hannah" and her concert (in a dream) for the Girl Scouts (called Sunshine Girls) turns them into chandelier swinging punkette barbarians who tie up her dad. But apparently Miley now agrees with Disney executives that Disney lessons aren't worth learning.