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Topic: Revelatory experience with Chiron
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AlexDern Knowflake Posts: 494 From: Registered: Dec 2013
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posted June 28, 2014 01:22 PM
Many assume that chiron is where we are eternally wounded, or wounded our entire lives.This is simply not true. We have the power to overcome...Chiron did not, but we do. Chiron is where we "feel" we can't heal. Truth is that we can. If you think you can't you are subconciously identifying with chiron, or conciously. No one can be chiron except for chiron. Again, when we identify with a single planet we are becomming possessed by it. We are not planets...we are the center of the chart. So I beg you all for the sake of your own healing, remember, that when you understand the story, and relate it to life, you have the power to overcome. Example..pholus is where we try to help others but take on their addictions. It's like being a psychologist at the bar. Everyone goes to you for healing but you have to drink to part take. Well guess what...now that you know you ahve the power to stop. You don't have to heal people if it means taking on their addictions. Let them keep smoking and drinking until they end up with hospital bills or learn their own lessons. Who do you think you are? A god? HA! You are a human being with limited time. Make the best of it. That's the lesson of the centaurs. Avoidance is not cowardice. Do we want to be like the centaurs or like the divine souls we are? We are not myths we are people. The myth amplifies the situation and then we adjust. There is no place in our lives where we have to be permanently wounded because we have free will. Let's assume we have a stuttering issue. Some will make fun of us. Does that mean we have to make it a life theme? No...absolutely not. You will get made fun of even if you are the best looking, greatest person, in the world, at what you do. People will still call you names and spit on your pictures when you turn. And guess what! It has nothing to do with you. Don't be a narcissist. Don't take it personal. People will project their demons...will you think you are chiron suffering on a cross or will you take adventage of the modern persons blessings and spend your days learning and improving yourself in a loving, gentle way. The choice is yours...you can be a victim of your own self-loathing, or you can grow into a force of light and spirit power. Chose wisely...assume responsibility. That's how chiron is solved...that's the key...remembering that you are not chiron himself...but that his energy exists in our lives...we are not that energy though...that neergy is transformed by us...the transformer is not the transforming medium itself...how could that be!! IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve Moderator Posts: 8723 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted June 28, 2014 01:54 PM
Interesting.Have you found a way to free yourself from the Chirotic wound? I do hope it's possible. It often feels like it's not, unfortunately. IP: Logged |
AlexDern Knowflake Posts: 494 From: Registered: Dec 2013
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posted June 28, 2014 02:09 PM
quote: Originally posted by Doux Rêve: Interesting.Have you found a way to free yourself from the Chirotic wound? I do hope it's possible. It often feels like it's not, unfortunately.
Yes. A wound is emotional. Emotion is governed by the moon. It is a matter of pivot from emotion to memory. When we have memories, bad memories, we already failed. There is no such thing as a bad memory. A memory is fuel for an action in the present moment. The power of now is not about forgetting. It is about harnessing the bubbles(individual memories) from a well spring of water (emotional content of memories in agreggate). It is as simple as accepting our projection on to machines. We must be machines with heart and conciousness. We must tap into the bodies potential for transformation as well as teh spirit and soul. We must be inspired. The choice is ours. Dwell in the past, or use the past as fuel to conquer the now in a peaceful and gentle manner. The paradox should be energizing not defeating. That is also the answer to the riddle of the Sphinx. The answer is "**** this riddle" I have work to do, places to see, people to love, hugs to give, and runs to make. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 638 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted June 28, 2014 02:26 PM
Forgive me. I thought the thread said; "Lavatory experience with Chiron". So,I was really curious about this "Lavatory" experience spoken about. As well as its connection with Chiron But alas.... After reading the entries I have to say I agree with you. What you speak of is "self empowerment" and taking responsibility for our own action and not sacrificing ourselves in order to save others. I concur IP: Logged |
AlexDern Knowflake Posts: 494 From: Registered: Dec 2013
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posted June 28, 2014 02:40 PM
quote: Originally posted by Aries23Degrees: Forgive me. I thought the thread said; "Lavatory experience with Chiron". So,I was really curious about this "Lavatory" experience spoken about. As well as its connection with Chiron But alas.... After reading the entries I have to say I agree with you. What you speak of is "self empowerment" and taking responsibility for our own action and not sacrificing ourselves in order to save others. I concur
Thanks Aries23Degrees! I write this as a balancing act to all the articles that talk about a gift in the wound. Yes...there is a gift...the gift of learning from experience and being greatful for it. The gift is not a perpetual stinging in exchange for healing others. We should not get involved in the psychology of others unless we are a psychologist or therapists or counselors and in terms of thinking we are helping them - what a selfish view! Doing everything for someone is like destroying them and us and the same time...even doing alot for them unless it is fair...and it is never fair except when it is parents and children such as in the cultures where the parents do everything for the child and the child grows to take care of its parents - that is a natural thing. The truth is we must go our own way and become self-reliant. The gift is an unselfish self-cententerdness...
And chiron can involve lavatory experiences too...hence the need for a healthy supply of broccoli.
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charlie Knowflake Posts: 2005 From: los angeles, ca, USA Registered: Jun 2012
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posted June 28, 2014 03:12 PM
I have Chiron in 9H and have never understood its meaning! I think Jupee-dupee in same house have demolished poor Chiron's existence. MAYBE, just maybe, I suffer in the sense that I constantly look for a Divine Love...a complete completeness with Life. And MAYBE, I look for this Divine Love in humans (stellium in 11H-venus sq chiron) but I know full well no human can ever complete me. The only times I am near complete is when I spend time AWAY from personal contacts and out in nature (Chiron in Taurus). Have I got it right?? I bloody scare myself :-/ I am really THIS aloof?? IP: Logged |
GeminiKarat Newflake Posts: 24 From: Austria Registered: Jun 2014
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posted June 28, 2014 03:54 PM
I like your point of few. It took me very long to accept, that there are many people out there, who need pain in their lifes. I am not that good in expressing by words. I want to quote a German singer called Xavier Naidoo. He wrote this text, because he did not follow any rule and there was a real **** storm, because he sings only in German and christians texts. I Don't Look Back Anymore
[Chorus: Xavier Naidoo] And I don’t look back anymore, but when I look back, I only see my luck. I’ve buried everything else with good grace and have simply filled the gap with good memories. Trust me, brother; I don’t look back anymore. [Verse 1: Xavas] Today is a new beginning, a new start, a new dawn. A new chapter, a new step in a new direction, a new day, and I’m leaving the burden from yesterday behind me. I’m opening my eyes, trying to focus on my goals. They don’t stop me; they can’t get rid of me; they try to hate me, but love these tracks. I’m packing my heart and soul into this, light a candle, forget the pain for a moment and when I rap, you think you might fly. I went through the ups and through the downs, but I always went further. I’m looking back, it wasn’t always easy, but now I can’t fail anymore. Rap is my life and every verse and sentence in my journal, each of these melodies, pure cure, you’ll save yourself a doctor’s visit. audacity that has become sound, tons of bars, ‘til everyone says we’ve had enough syllables, words, let them flow like water 1 I do my thing, even if they think I’m crazy King Essah, Futurama 2 [Chorus: Xavier Naidoo] And I don’t look back anymore, but when I look back, I only see my luck. I’ve buried everything else with good grace and have simply filled the gap with good memories. Trust me, brother; I don’t look back anymore. [Bridge:] No one can share their steps and give them to another You don’t have to stay everywhere, you don’t have to go anywhere you can’t run away from yourself you can only stand on your own you shouldn’t fear anything there’s no reason not to look ahead. 2nd Verse: Xavas: I’ll turn around again, my last look at the past, salute my past, (but) don’t let the doubts even beat me. (It’s) my decision: be free or let myself fall. If they think you’ve got to leave everything to fate, don’t listen anymore, never use your veto, better with effort than without life; even if it hurts, you’ll overcome even the raging current. I look up, no matter what they say, whoever controls it, leads and moves it. My life, my destiny! [Chorus x 2: Xavier Naidoo] And I don’t look back anymore, but when I look back, I only see my luck. I’ve buried everything else with good grace and have simply filled the gap with good memories. Trust me, brother; I don’t look back anymore. No one can share their steps and give them to another You don’t have to stay everywhere, you don’t have to go anywhere Taken from http://lyricstranslate.com/en/schau-nicht-mehr-zur%C3%BCck-i-wont-look-back-anymore.html#ixzz35xrjjJNm Official Video, but it is in German. Sorry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hyibXdOp5w
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AlexDern Knowflake Posts: 494 From: Registered: Dec 2013
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posted June 28, 2014 05:57 PM
quote: Originally posted by GeminiKarat: I like your point of few. It took me very long to accept, that there are many people out there, who need pain in their lifes. I am not that good in expressing by words. I want to quote a German singer called Xavier Naidoo. He wrote this text, because he did not follow any rule and there was a real **** storm, because he sings only in German and christians texts. I Don't Look Back Anymore
[Chorus: Xavier Naidoo] And I don’t look back anymore, but when I look back, I only see my luck. I’ve buried everything else with good grace and have simply filled the gap with good memories. Trust me, brother; I don’t look back anymore. [Verse 1: Xavas] Today is a new beginning, a new start, a new dawn. A new chapter, a new step in a new direction, a new day, and I’m leaving the burden from yesterday behind me. I’m opening my eyes, trying to focus on my goals. They don’t stop me; they can’t get rid of me; they try to hate me, but love these tracks. I’m packing my heart and soul into this, light a candle, forget the pain for a moment and when I rap, you think you might fly. I went through the ups and through the downs, but I always went further. I’m looking back, it wasn’t always easy, but now I can’t fail anymore. Rap is my life and every verse and sentence in my journal, each of these melodies, pure cure, you’ll save yourself a doctor’s visit. audacity that has become sound, tons of bars, ‘til everyone says we’ve had enough syllables, words, let them flow like water 1 I do my thing, even if they think I’m crazy King Essah, Futurama 2 [Chorus: Xavier Naidoo] And I don’t look back anymore, but when I look back, I only see my luck. I’ve buried everything else with good grace and have simply filled the gap with good memories. Trust me, brother; I don’t look back anymore. [Bridge:] No one can share their steps and give them to another You don’t have to stay everywhere, you don’t have to go anywhere you can’t run away from yourself you can only stand on your own you shouldn’t fear anything there’s no reason not to look ahead. 2nd Verse: Xavas: I’ll turn around again, my last look at the past, salute my past, (but) don’t let the doubts even beat me. (It’s) my decision: be free or let myself fall. If they think you’ve got to leave everything to fate, don’t listen anymore, never use your veto, better with effort than without life; even if it hurts, you’ll overcome even the raging current. I look up, no matter what they say, whoever controls it, leads and moves it. My life, my destiny! [Chorus x 2: Xavier Naidoo] And I don’t look back anymore, but when I look back, I only see my luck. I’ve buried everything else with good grace and have simply filled the gap with good memories. Trust me, brother; I don’t look back anymore. No one can share their steps and give them to another You don’t have to stay everywhere, you don’t have to go anywhere Taken from http://lyricstranslate.com/en/schau-nicht-mehr-zur%C3%BCck-i-wont-look-b ack-anymore.html#ixzz35xrjjJNm Official Video, but it is in German. Sorry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hyibXdOp5w
This is exactly what I meant! Yes. The memories are not to be forgotten but also not there to bring down... That's what narcissist did. He stood over the pool and looked at his reflection because he was stuck. We must use our memories as fuel for our greatness! IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect Knowflake Posts: 3566 From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes, I was born on both planets, somehow. Registered: Sep 2013
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posted June 28, 2014 11:33 PM
A lot of people tend to interpret certain aspects of Astrology as karmic, when it is simply not. It's all psychological. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 42160 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 30, 2014 01:36 PM
Interesting.IP: Logged |
NeptunianSag Knowflake Posts: 1003 From: Your imagination Registered: Aug 2013
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posted June 30, 2014 02:12 PM
quote: Originally posted by AlexDern: Many assume that chiron is where we are eternally wounded, or wounded our entire lives.This is simply not true. We have the power to overcome...Chiron did not, but we do. Chiron is where we "feel" we can't heal. Truth is that we can. If you think you can't you are subconciously identifying with chiron, or conciously. No one can be chiron except for chiron. Again, when we identify with a single planet we are becomming possessed by it. We are not planets...we are the center of the chart. So I beg you all for the sake of your own healing, remember, that when you understand the story, and relate it to life, you have the power to overcome. Example..pholus is where we try to help others but take on their addictions. It's like being a psychologist at the bar. Everyone goes to you for healing but you have to drink to part take. Well guess what...now that you know you ahve the power to stop. You don't have to heal people if it means taking on their addictions. Let them keep smoking and drinking until they end up with hospital bills or learn their own lessons. Who do you think you are? A god? HA! You are a human being with limited time. Make the best of it. That's the lesson of the centaurs. Avoidance is not cowardice. Do we want to be like the centaurs or like the divine souls we are? We are not myths we are people. The myth amplifies the situation and then we adjust. There is no place in our lives where we have to be permanently wounded because we have free will. Let's assume we have a stuttering issue. Some will make fun of us. Does that mean we have to make it a life theme? No...absolutely not. You will get made fun of even if you are the best looking, greatest person, in the world, at what you do. People will still call you names and spit on your pictures when you turn. And guess what! It has nothing to do with you. Don't be a narcissist. Don't take it personal. People will project their demons...will you think you are chiron suffering on a cross or will you take adventage of the modern persons blessings and spend your days learning and improving yourself in a loving, gentle way. The choice is yours...you can be a victim of your own self-loathing, or you can grow into a force of light and spirit power. Chose wisely...assume responsibility. That's how chiron is solved...that's the key...remembering that you are not chiron himself...but that his energy exists in our lives...we are not that energy though...that neergy is transformed by us...the transformer is not the transforming medium itself...how could that be!!
The sad thing is though, society will never accept the real you, if you be your true authentic self, people are going to turn you away. Why? Because people are afraid of the truth, and when they see this person shine out their soul, they are afraid, because all of a sudden their illusions are shattered and they realise their system of lies is being challenged by truth. This is what I love about Chiron people, they are just themselves, and when they accept themselves, they encourage others to do so. I have Chiron in Leo 10th house and I kind of feel this way in society, like when I project myself, I don't feel accepted, but I feel it's the only way to get over my pains of not feeling good enough. If people don't like me - fine, it's their problems not mine. IP: Logged |
amelia28 Moderator Posts: 3284 From: AC conjunct Jupiter-Uranus Registered: Aug 2011
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posted July 01, 2014 07:28 PM
Thank you Alexdern! BUMPAdd: quote: Originally posted by Aries23Degrees: Forgive me. I thought the thread said; "Lavatory experience with Chiron". So,I was really curious about this "Lavatory" experience spoken about. As well as its connection with Chiron
LMAO IP: Logged |
AlexDern Knowflake Posts: 494 From: Registered: Dec 2013
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posted July 01, 2014 07:43 PM
quote: Originally posted by amelia28: Thank you Alexdern! BUMPAdd: LMAO
Absolutely! Hope you're day is magnifico!
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florence Knowflake Posts: 267 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted July 01, 2014 09:41 PM
To agree & disagree with you too, I think the emphasis is not so much on being unable to heal self but on being able to heal others first in this area. Chiron is conjunct my sun and recently accepted to an extent there's an inbuilt unhealing thing. No matter how unjustified, if I feel relief from pain or even reachl a pinnacle of happiness there's something that can't be healed directly. But then, finally, get to feel it indirectly through others being healed there. Now I'm thinking the chironic bridge .. The source of pain can lure us out of selves into the shared conscious thing which is also another potentially healing thing but that via others thing is a stepping stone to that or on this plane the experience of it, IP: Logged | |